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Old 17-01-2005, 22:08:26   #501
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I'm getting through 'American Psycho' finally, and it's better than I first thought. Also read 'Fingersmith' by Sarah Waters, not quite as good as 'Tipping the Velvet' but still a page turner. Am now reading 'Trainspotting' took a while to get used to reading the accent, but once I stopped getting arsey with it, and watched the film, I could sit back and enjoy the book properly.
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I've been reading Janwillem van de Wetering. We got nine of his Grijpstra & DeGier mysteries for Christmas.

Really cool. So far The Corpse on the Dike and [I] The Streetbird [/I} have impressed me the most. His writing is very evocative of place and the main characters are complicated people but still the writing is very zen and simple.
Excellent series. His other fiction books are great as well. Some of his nonfiction on Zen isn't quite as good.

If you like the Grijpstra & DeGier series, I can recommend Sjowall and Wahloo's series of 10 detective novels set in Sweden.
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Old 18-01-2005, 09:19:08   #503
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I'm getting through 'American Psycho' finally, and it's better than I first thought.
Great book. Great, great book. In terms of conveying the absolute vacuity of the culture he portrays his style is absolutely perfect. Very funny and very sick.

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Am now reading 'Trainspotting' took a while to get used to reading the accent, but once I stopped getting arsey with it, and watched the film, I could sit back and enjoy the book properly.
I watched the film before reading the book, but i don't know if it helped or made the experience better in any way. The book is massively different to the film in tone and style, and better in many ways. Funny how Renton fucking his preganant sister-in-law in the arse at his brother's funeral didn't make it into the film eh...
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I just finished "Gaudy Night" by Dorothy L Sayers which I think Kory, of all people, would enjoy.
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Finishing up Southern Fire by Juliet McKenna. Started slow, but it gets better.

A lot of aspects of the society the story occurs in people would be uncomfortable with, but its also more interesting as a result.

Warlords set policy and, well, there's the war thing. His wives manage their collective holdings and control trade with other warlords. Slavery is ever present, and its common to make enuchs out of a warlord's sons so they don't compete for control (until an heir is selected).

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Great book. Great, great book. In terms of conveying the absolute vacuity of the culture he portrays his style is absolutely perfect. Very funny and very sick.



I watched the film before reading the book, but i don't know if it helped or made the experience better in any way. The book is massively different to the film in tone and style, and better in many ways. Funny how Renton fucking his preganant sister-in-law in the arse at his brother's funeral didn't make it into the film eh...
Man, you've gone and spoilt it for me now! I think I should have finished the book first, I keep trying to refer to the film in places which is totally wrong.

I had to put American Psycho down when he was about to nail that womans fingers down, truly the most disturbing scene in the book I think. The chapters when he talks about Genesis and someone else are boring, yet strangely compelling
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I had to put American Psycho down when he was about to nail that womans fingers down, truly the most disturbing scene in the book I think. The chapters when he talks about Genesis and someone else are boring, yet strangely compelling
err yeah i leant my sister american psycho when she was about 16 and i felt a little guilty because it is thoroughly upsetting in places. The only thing i have read that comes close was De Sade's 100 Days of Sodom. I don't know how far you are through the book but there are much worse things than finger-nailing to come.

As for the Genesis/whitney houston/phil collins bits, well without wanting to sound patronising, it's the point that they sound boring, because Patrick bateman is just a cultural vaccuum who absorbs the crap he reads in GQ and Q magazine and magazines stuff like that and regurgitates it to his friends who are all doing exactly the same thing and who all have utterly empty, unsatisfying and meaningless lives like he does.
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Old 19-01-2005, 09:18:30   #508
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err yeah i leant my sister american psycho when she was about 16 and i felt a little guilty because it is thoroughly upsetting in places. The only thing i have read that comes close was De Sade's 100 Days of Sodom. I don't know how far you are through the book but there are much worse things than finger-nailing to come.

As for the Genesis/whitney houston/phil collins bits, well without wanting to sound patronising, it's the point that they sound boring, because Patrick bateman is just a cultural vaccuum who absorbs the crap he reads in GQ and Q magazine and magazines stuff like that and regurgitates it to his friends who are all doing exactly the same thing and who all have utterly empty, unsatisfying and meaningless lives like he does.
I'm almost near the end now, and I didn't actually find much of the rest that disturbing. Like when he was stabbing that homeless guy in the eye, and axed thingys head, it was just the nails.

I'd guessed that much, it just always had me completely bemused when I was reading it
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I thought the film of "American Psycho" was great. Especially the business card duelling.
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I watched American Psycho maybe 2 years ago for the first time. Wifey was a little wigged out, but that is what it was suppose to do. Excellent movie. If I ever bothered with buisness cards as much as he did, I too would be crazy.

I'm reading The Outstretched Shadow.

I got those Farseer Triology books, and have those next on my list.
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Old 20-01-2005, 09:32:41   #513
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I'm almost near the end now, and I didn't actually find much of the rest that disturbing. Like when he was stabbing that homeless guy in the eye, and axed thingys head, it was just the nails.

I'd guessed that much, it just always had me completely bemused when I was reading it
so maybe you haven't got to the bit with the girl and the rat then. oh dear.
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so maybe you haven't got to the bit with the girl and the rat then. oh dear.
Just got to that today. I'm now at the bit where he's hiding out in the office after being chased by the police. Does it get much worse?
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Patrick bateman is just a cultural vaccuum who absorbs the crap he reads in GQ and Q magazine and magazines stuff like that and regurgitates it to his friends who are all doing exactly the same thing and who all have utterly empty, unsatisfying and meaningless lives like he does.
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I have read both the Marquis de Sade book and the American Psycho, well, I say 'read' I just skimmed them for the filth, and I had nightmares for weeks. Psycho more because he seems so normal and its so insidious, and De Sade because the stuff he talks about is just so beyond even the worst extremes of any torture regime, let alone your average BDSM scene. It starts with Coprophilia, and slowly descends into kicking pregnant women in the stomach till they abort, then burning their dead foetus in front of them, possibly while rse fucking them or pulling out their teeth and nails and then throwing them into a pit of spikes to die, alongside the other rotting corpses in there (and yet it gets worse). Its not an airport novel, or something you'd give to your Gran for Christmas, certainly.

I wouldnt recommend either of these books to anyone- in fact, Wotsit who wrote Psycho now says he regrets it as he doesnt think it should be out there, and De Sade, well didnt he die of syphilis or something? Jolly good thing too. What actual philosophical point was he making? Is shitting in someone's mouth and then dismembering them of high intellectual virtue?

Hmm... I'm going back to reading Judy and Bunty

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Oh yes and 'Northern Lights'- has anyone else found this to be rather dull at the beginning and Lyra to be actually quite annoying? I'm on about p100 so hoping it hots up a bit.
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It definitely hots up and yes Lyra is a bit annoying - I think it's deliberate.
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Hooray! Someone else who doesn't like that book! I thought I was the only one!
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It was even mentioned on Hollyoakes last week. Apparently it's based on Paradise Lost? I haven't read that.
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Its not that I dont like it as such, I just don't warm to her. I'm finding that it started excitingly then sagged a bit- I think he could have condensed some of the intro. I find his writing quite detached too, unlike JK Rowling who obviously adores her characters or any of the great kids writers. In fact I'm not surprised that many people never realise its a kids book, its not really aimed at children at all.
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Yes, I know what Paradise Lost is, I just haven't read it.

The way he's written Lyra (I think) is deliberate - you're supposed to think that about her and the reasons become more apparent as you go on.
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i'm halfway through the last of the three books, and although i have whizzed through them and found them pretty compelling i have lots of problems with many aspects of the books

it is obviously loosely based on paradise lost, (which obviously is itself based on the creation and fall of the angels stuff from the bible) but so far i haven't hit much of the supposedly brillliant philosophical/scientific concepts - although the dust idea is quite clever i hope that's not the b all and end all

there seem to be lots of plot holes in a kind of 24 way i.e. if this person hadn't made this or that decision or fallen down a hole or something then the whole plot would have unravelled, but that's kind of fair enough, it's a thriller

in the final book in particular there seem to be some scenes just deisgned to pad the book and don't really help to advance the plot or the characterization. I find i'm almost skim reading these bits.

but to echo s_s i found lyra extremely annoying too - funko i'm interested by why you think that might be deliberate? [edit -x-posted]

i do sometimes fantasise about the sexy witches though
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Some of this is probably slightly spoiler if people haven't read it but without giving too much away - Basically to make Will seem patient. I don't know about "brilliant" philosophical/scientific concepts but he's got some cool spins on very interesting* theoretical physics concepts.

*I realise this is relative.
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It was even mentioned on Hollyoakes last week. Apparently it's based on Paradise Lost? I haven't read that.
Ah, that figures. I didn't like Paradise Lost either and only got through about a third of that.
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The 'intention craft' chapter of book 3 is one of the most ludicrously plotted things i have ever read. It was like watching battlefield earth.
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finshed A.P, the ending is a bit of a let down, but hey, still a good book on the whole. Will soon be starting 'No angel' - Penny Vincenzi along side 'Trainspotting' and eventually 'Porno'
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I wholeheartedly agree. Never read the irvine welsh book though.
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If you like his stuff it's well worth it. A worthy and fitting sequel to Trainspotting.
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Indeed it is. More Sick Boy and less Renton can only be a good thing.
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Is it worth finishing Trainspotting before starting Porno? tbh I'm getting a bit tired of it
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Just want to get to the smut eh?

You don't need to read Trainspotting at all but I would finish it anyway.
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If you're so bored with Trainspotting that you can't be bothered to finish it then it's probably not even worth starting Porno.
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Filth is really good. Probably my favourite Welsh novel. It's pretty grim though.

Malibu Stork Nightmares is good if you enjoy his stories, but find his style a bit of an effort to read, 'cos it's a collection of short(ish) stories, and features a lot of the Trainspotting characters. It also contains the most well realised depiction of taking acid I've ever read.
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Some of this is probably slightly spoiler if people haven't read it but without giving too much away - Basically to make Will seem patient. I don't know about "brilliant" philosophical/scientific concepts but he's got some cool spins on very interesting* theoretical physics concepts.

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I found it not only really unpleasant, but i ended up acting as translator to my friends who were of non-Scottish lineage, 'what's fitba??'
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I don't get that at all, it's not that hard to work out. I didn't need a translator and I've never even been to Scotland.

After about 20 pages I could read it almost as fast as if it was in non-dialect English.
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double ditto. all you need to do is sort of imagine how it would sound if read aloud and it makes perfect sense.
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And the characters have limited vocabularies anyway.
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I wonder if Scottish readers have problems reading the accent of the girl from Reading in Porno?

Also, if you haven't read Glue it could be worth reading that first. Juice Terry - one of his best characters IMO is the star of that and Porno's kind of a sequel for him too. I think knowing his history would make his appearance in Porno all the better.
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