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Old 05-04-2006, 21:52:09   #1
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PS3 to cost 499-599 euros...

Game over, Sony.


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Game over, Sony.
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Old 05-04-2006, 22:02:43   #3
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Turns out RSX doesn't have any vertex shaders now, either. Has to use Cell for that.
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Old 06-04-2006, 14:11:27   #4
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Article has been mistranslated and misquoted. The guy said 500 would be a lot for a console and the PS3 could cost more or less than that.

If sony was smart, they'd make the Blue-Ray drive an add on. That's gonna kill their price.
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Old 06-04-2006, 15:08:47   #5
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The Gamespot article had him saying that as a game only device (a game console), 500 would be very expensive. But as a Blue-Ray HD DVD-R TV DVR device that *also* plays games, it is damn cheap. Gamers that only want to play games will be baka and tell Sony to go fuck itself; smart customers will see the actual bargain and are pre-ordering it right this second.

I think a lot of gamers will be telling Sony to fuck off for a while, rather then getting the PS3.
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Old 06-04-2006, 15:29:37   #6
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well i do agree to a certain extent with MS's assertion that first to market is half the battle. But with sony's market share and games base there's clearly more to it than just that.

Unless the 360 comes up with a good games base it will still lose. The hardware stuff is all secondary to that, most console gamers aren't so much into the specs, they just want next-gen versions of the games they like, whatever the flavour.
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Old 06-04-2006, 15:51:58   #7
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But there's a basic cost point that they need to get the hardware under.

Sony's PS3, if prices along the lines of M$ 360, would not take long to catch up in units sold. Brand loyalty and their game catalog will assure that. But if the unit starts off costing significantly more, that will make a lot of customers wait until the price drops. Loyal fan boys become less loyal as the price goes up.
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Yep, not arguing with that. But sony (and MS in fairness) have done well in the past at significatly dropping the console cost over time. i don't think the cost will be an issue unless it stays above 200 (c.$350?) after a year or so.
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The x-box 360 (full version not the cut down one) is just under 300, which is about 400.

499 is really not that much more expensive and it's got the Blue Ray stuff which is normally even more expensive.

The $ price Asher posted is less than what the RRP for the x-box 360 appears to be according to amazon.com

So I don't really understand why he's so shocked. Even if those 'mistranslated' figures are right it's going to be around the same amount as the 360 was at launch, the 360 will be cheaper by then, but 500 doesn't seem shockingly high to me.
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That minimum cost is higher when you consider that the only reason it's US$600 (and a year late) is that it has the ability to play movies that will cost a further US$25-$30 each.

Also, the 360 Premium in Canada is C$500, which is 350 euros. If it's 400 euros in the UK, then the PS3 will also probably be a bit more expensive than the American figures.

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Old 06-04-2006, 16:58:52   #11
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When the PS3 is released....whenever that may be. MS will drop the price of the 360 to make matters worse for Sony.
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Old 06-04-2006, 17:19:16   #13
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At the rate they're going, Sony will be lucky to get this thing out by November.
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They're doing a worldwide launch in November, just like MS did.

Expect the same shortages.
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Yes, hence my November comment.

I still don't think they'll make it.
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When the PS3 is released....whenever that may be. MS will drop the price of the 360 to make matters worse for Sony.
And they'll release Halo 3, if it's ready.

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Halo 3 is now expected in March '07.
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The idea is the Xbox 360 will sell well enough without Halo 3 during the holiday season, and once sales taper off again in March, Halo 3 would spike sales.
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Also, the 360 Premium in Canada is C$500, which is 350 euros. If it's 400 euros in the UK, then the PS3 will also probably be a bit more expensive than the American figures.

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Game over, Sony.


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Or "Sony to release product that is better and therefore more expensive than Bloatware Shit"

Cheapest doesn't always do better in terms of hardware. Historical fact that.
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Old 08-04-2006, 22:32:09   #21
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But if the unit starts off costing significantly more, that will make a lot of customers wait until the price drops. Loyal fan boys become less loyal as the price goes up.
Actually, people prefer to pay more for a better product.

It's the "We're keeping AHEAD of the Jones'" mentality.

"Oh? You spent 200 on your game system? We spent 400 on ours."

Unless you're a nerd, you'd be impressed.
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But on the other hand, you've got Betamax vs. VHS.
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What's other handed about it? That's exactly what I'm saying.

You've also got ST Vs Amiga. And which one cost more? Which sold more and kicked the other's arse?

The more expensive one. Because it was more desirable, despite arriving to market later with less software support.

Go check release dates of A500 versus ST512 if you don't believe me.

Oh, go check sales while you're at it.
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I got an Amiga way back when because it had more and better games (at time of purchase, I was not an early adopter). And a better operating system. It was a superior system, but I'm not about to dredge up 15 year old "my computer is better than yours" arguments, except to say one of my friends had an ST and hated it for exactly the reasons the rest of us got Amigas. Given that my parents were the ones buying it, price had very little to do with it.

I still don't see how your argument is 'Betamax vs. VHS' in content. Beta vs. VHS was a triumph of marketing and open standards over proprietary standards, wheras your argument seemed to consist of nothing beyond "people want what's more expensive because it's perceived to be better".

Good money on Blu-ray going the same way as Betamax. Given they're both Sony, and Sony didn't learn that proprietary standards are bad when put head-to-head with an open standard (see: PSP video cart thingy, MemorySticks etc. etc.) I expect much the same outcome.
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Or "Sony to release product that is better and therefore more expensive than Bloatware Shit"

Cheapest doesn't always do better in terms of hardware. Historical fact that.
No, but since it's now very likely that Xbox 360 games will have the visual edge over PS3 games, as well as the price advantage.

People are going to look at the PS3 -- which will supposedly include Linux on the harddrive and a bluray player 95% of people won't and can't use -- and consider it bloatware shit.
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Actually, people prefer to pay more for a better product.

It's the "We're keeping AHEAD of the Jones'" mentality.

"Oh? You spent 200 on your game system? We spent 400 on ours."

Unless you're a nerd, you'd be impressed.
Well that certainly explains the overwhelming success of the 3DO and Atari Jaguar.
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No, but since it's now very likely that Xbox 360 games will have the visual edge over PS3 games, as well as the price advantage.

People are going to look at the PS3 -- which will supposedly include Linux on the harddrive and a bluray player 95% of people won't and can't use -- and consider it bloatware shit.
Microsoft = Bloatware.

Only things that can be classified as Bloatware have MS logos on.

Trust you not to get the joke!
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I got an Amiga way back when because it had more and better games (at time of purchase, I was not an early adopter). And a better operating system. It was a superior system, but I'm not about to dredge up 15 year old "my computer is better than yours" arguments, except to say one of my friends had an ST and hated it for exactly the reasons the rest of us got Amigas. Given that my parents were the ones buying it, price had very little to do with it.

I still don't see how your argument is 'Betamax vs. VHS' in content. Beta vs. VHS was a triumph of marketing and open standards over proprietary standards, wheras your argument seemed to consist of nothing beyond "people want what's more expensive because it's perceived to be better".

Good money on Blu-ray going the same way as Betamax. Given they're both Sony, and Sony didn't learn that proprietary standards are bad when put head-to-head with an open standard (see: PSP video cart thingy, MemorySticks etc. etc.) I expect much the same outcome.
And they were both trashed by a more expensive, more capable product (ie the PC) becoming more affordable.
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The (relative) ultimate in open standards, the PC was hugely inferior to both the ST and the A500, but its modularity and abililty of companies to compete drove product development. The Amiga died due to being closed standards and having no good development or marketing. Commodore ran it into the ground.
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True up to a point, but even if Kaiilash Ambwani hadn't been such a greedy bastard and CBM had actually paid developers on time it was still doomed.

Too many people making too much cheap PC hardware - closed standards as you say.

Rise of the PC as a games standard was predicted as early as 1988 (prolly earlier) but it wasn't really acheived until you started seeing 486-SX complete with hard drive at the 400 price point. That's from a UK perspective, but you know roughly when I'm talking about.

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I can't keep HDDVD systems on the shelves. If Ps3 has that feature, I may consider it as an alternative. The aforementioned are flying out the door at $500 and they don't play games...
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No, but since it's now very likely that Xbox 360 games will have the visual edge over PS3 games, as well as the price advantage.

People are going to look at the PS3 -- which will supposedly include Linux on the harddrive and a bluray player 95% of people won't and can't use -- and consider it bloatware shit.
What Sony did really well in the UK at least, was make the PlayStation cool. People who weren't previously gamers had playstations. There is a huge market for non technical people who don't give a shit about the technology and just want to upgrade their playstation so they can play the new versions of the games they like.

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I can't keep HDDVD systems on the shelves. If Ps3 has that feature, I may consider it as an alternative. The aforementioned are flying out the door at $500 and they don't play games...
PS3 will have blue-ray not HD DVD, that's why it's so expensive, because blue ray drives, and blue ray discs, are more expensive.
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Ah...well...I'm just a simple man, however, I know there is a lot of hype for this already and we will have long lines of fervent buyers regardless of cost. People who can't rub two nickels together buy the 360 like it's a newspaper or something.
Gadgetry and gaming are huuuuuuge markets.
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Blu-ray is going to be the death of the PS3, either through costs, or through market conditions. At this point, unless the Sony team can pull something major out of it's ass, Blu-ray looks like a loser in the format war. While it may be a superior format, it's more expensive and later to market. Two very bad things to be.
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Sony have had that problem a lot of times.
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they certainly crippled their original mp3 player bid with their insistence on using their own retarded format
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Although retarded crippling doesn't seem to have hindered Apple's ability to sell I-Pods.
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but i can put mp3's on my ipod...i don't have to convert them to anything else...
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Yeah it's not as bad as the original Sony ones.

I think that you can't copy stuff off your i-pod onto another computer because the way to transfer stuff is by synchronising? And if you delete something from your computer then synchronise, or synchronise with a computer with other stuff on it it won't work? And you are tied into using iTunes?

Any or all of those might be wrong. But you don't have those limitations with other players. Now the market is mature I wouldn't get an iPod if I was choosing an mp3 player.
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After some research...

it looks like the sync does work both ways on the new ones, but you still can't selectively choose what to transfer.
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Sony's never been in this position before. The last console they released was a generation better than anything else, they had market from the PS1 and they were using a standard format.

The only thing Sony has going for them this time, is slightly better tech specs and the "coolness" thing you mentioned above (which negates their technical advantage maybe).
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Sony have had that problem a lot of times.
UMD and Beta?
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Yeah. It's impossible to buy a Mini disk. Nobody ever uses them.

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I haven't seen a minidisc since 2002.

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Minidiscs flopped worse than BETA over on this side of the pond. The only person I've ever known with one was a kid from Hong Kong.
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That's because you have the musical talent of a one flippered goldfish.

Ask a MUSICIAN whether minidisk is any good.
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