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Old 11-11-2006, 07:53:33   #1
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Most underrated bands of all time

1- The Monkees.

Yep, so they didn't write most of their songs. Yep, so they didn't play most of they instruments. Yep, they were a manufactured "Boy Band".

So what? The quality of the songs was tremendous. "Daydream believer" is an all-time classic pop song, brilliantly realised- like many of their other releases. And they could write great songs too- Mike Nesmith's "Just might be the one" is one of my favourite pop sogs of the 60's.

And when the rest of the world stopped paying attention, they made "Head", which proved they could do great original work, could do satire, and really didn't take themselves too seriously.
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Old 11-11-2006, 07:59:56   #2
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2- The Small Faces

Never mentioned in the same breath as The Who or The Kinks, due to the fact that they're written off as a joke band due to the wilder excesses of "Ogden's Nut Gone Flake". It's true that most of their best-known album only needs to be listened to once.

But the singles, man! The singles! Steve Marriott was the greatest white soul singer ever. No exceptions. He may have been only 5 foot 3, but he had a voice the size of Jupiter. None of the other "great" rock singers got near, and they knew it. Chuck in the fact that he was a sharp guitarist too, and had a great songwriting partnership with Ronnie Laine, and you've got a great band. Check out "All or nothing", "Song of a baker", Afterglow of your love" and "Tin soldier"- they're all classics.
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Old 11-11-2006, 08:15:22   #3
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3- New Model Army.

Their fans were tossers and they really didn't have a sense of humour, but what you were left with was an articulately political band (far more so than The Clash) that mixed punk energy with surprisingly adventurous influences, and were a killer live act.

"Christian Militia", "A liberal education", "Lovesongs", "Green and grey", "Vengeance"- get them down your neck and feel better. They're overdue for a revival.
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Old 11-11-2006, 08:32:18   #4
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4 - Samantha Fox

It's all genius. Mostly Full Force's and Stock Aitken Waterman's genius, I grant ye, and it's a bit watered down from their Lisa Lisa-slash-Hazell Dean days circa 1985, but Ms. Fox is a brilliant vehicle for doing the most over-the-top ceesecake songs imaginable. And she delivers!!!

Just listen to "Naughty Girls (Need Love Too)", it's fucking right at the forefront of music at the time. Teddy Riley couldn't have done it better.
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You mean her fame is for more than her page three antics?

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5 - Donna Summer

I could probably do any Disco artist here with one, idiotically overplayed, monster hit. Beyond the sales charts Donna Summer produced some truely timeless supersophisticated Eurodisco magic from about 1975-78, with some marvellous, intelligent, forward-looking and pioneering albums.
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Old 11-11-2006, 11:04:38   #7
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Sam Fox? You're really weird.

You're right about Donna Summer though. The stuff she did with Moroder was incredible.
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Old 11-11-2006, 11:13:58   #8
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And the stuff she did with Moroder is still looked at very favorably isn't it? I don't think she's underrated at all really, it's not like she reinvented the wheel, she just sang some songs nicely, and she still gets the respect she's due.

Good call about the Monkeys though, especially the Mike Nesmith bit. Different Drum is a great song.
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Old 11-11-2006, 11:19:20   #9
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6 - Suzanne Vega
Brilliant singer songwriter. Excellent guitar player. Even her 80s albums don't sound particularly dated.

7 - Dusty Springfield
Sure she's acclaimed, but I think she tends to get lumped in with 60s artists like Sandie Shaw and Lulu rather than with the kind of all time greats she deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as, eg Billie Holiday etc

Hmm, two artists loved by the lezzas, what can this mean? *buys cats*
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8. Cold Chisel.

You guys won't know them, but they're a bloody good Aussie Rock band. When they first toured the US they were compared with U2. Which, while it won't impress a lot of U2s critics here, gives an idea of how good they were. The thing was, U2 went back, and back, and back. Cold Chisel had so much go wrong in the States, including their US manager screwing them over, that they never went back.
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Old 11-11-2006, 15:04:14   #11
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6 - Suzanne Vega
Brilliant singer songwriter. Excellent guitar player. Even her 80s albums don't sound particularly dated.

She gets docked millions of points for the godawful Mitchell Froom production on her 1990's output. She was even shagging him, which proves her shocking taste. Froom is an awful producer- he killed American Music Club.
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Old 11-11-2006, 16:46:38   #12
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She gets docked millions of points for the godawful Mitchell Froom production on her 1990's output. She was even shagging him, which proves her shocking taste. Froom is an awful producer- he killed American Music Club.
Sort of agree with you both here although it depends where the 1990s start. I tend to think of 99.9 deg as about the best (and, certainly least predictable) of her output. Agree, though, all downhill from there.
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And the stuff she did with Moroder is still looked at very favorably isn't it? I don't think she's underrated at all really, it's not like she reinvented the wheel, she just sang some songs nicely, and she still gets the respect she's due.
Okay, how about all the other one-hit-wonder disco artists?

Van McCoy - brilliant philly producer with a string of great albums.

The Trammps - one of the top artists in philadelphia at the time.

Labelle - Patti LaBelle had a string of brilliant Electric Boogie records in the eighties.

Chic - obviously.

A Taste of Honey - fairly potent soul.

and a multi-hit wonder deserving a number all of his own:

9. Barry White - it's ridiculous that the creator of disco, producer supreme, writer of some of the hottest dance tracks ever has been reduced to a singer of smoochy love songs in the popular imagination.
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Old 12-11-2006, 11:03:47   #14
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Most of the blame for that lies with Barry White himself, of course.
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Old 13-11-2006, 17:58:51   #15
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Old 13-11-2006, 22:07:00   #16
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They aren't really underrated.
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And they're fucking awful.
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Old 14-11-2006, 09:21:11   #18
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I guess this is the point at which i mention Shed Seven and run like fuck.

Still in all seriousness i can't think of a single bad track on their debut album, and they followed with another couple of albums that spawned enough good singles to match the output of other bands and acts mentioned here.
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I never understood why they took so much flack really, there were far worse bands around at the time. Their first album still sounds good today, and unlike many bands of that time they never went in for that cheesy Britpop thing of having a fucking brass section for no reason at all (which now sounds extremely dated).

On the other hand they did release Bully Boy...
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"Going for gold" was an insult to all humanity.
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Most of the blame for that lies with Barry White himself, of course.
I think it's only because he was fairly good at it. No-one considers The Kinks mainly a Stadium Rock outfit despite nothing sounding like their vintage sound post-1971, because it all happened to suck as well.
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What about Chicago? Somewhere between the pretentious AOR phase of the early seventies and the overblown, er, AOR phase of the eighties I think there might have been a fairly decent band in there, kinda Love-meets-The Impressions.
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3- New Model Army.

Their fans were tossers and they really didn't have a sense of humour, but what you were left with was an articulately political band (far more so than The Clash) that mixed punk energy with surprisingly adventurous influences, and were a killer live act.

"Christian Militia", "A liberal education", "Lovesongs", "Green and grey", "Vengeance"- get them down your neck and feel better. They're overdue for a revival.
I've got "The Ghost of Cain" album, which I like. My fave song being "The Hunt". A Brazilian metal band called Sepultura did a great cover of that one. You might want to check it out.
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"Going for gold" was an insult to all humanity.
Who am I? I'm a Britpop band formed in York, England in 1990. We first formed as a group called Brockley Haven and comprised originally of Rick Witter (vocals), Joe Johnson (guitar and keyboards), Tom Gladwin (bass guitar) and Alan Leach (drums). Our hits include "Speakeasy" (rewritten as an advertising jingle for mobile phone company The Link), "Getting Better", "Disco Down", live favourite "Chasing Rainbows", "On Standby" and our biggest hit "Going For Gold" which reached number 8 in the UK charts...
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I've got "The Ghost of Cain" album, which I like. My fave song being "The Hunt". A Brazilian metal band called Sepultura did a great cover of that one. You might want to check it out.
"Ghost of Cain" and "Thunder and Consolation" are utterly superb albums with the latter being their best work IMO. Didn't click with Sepultura's version of the Hunt though and I'm normally a fan. I didn't think Max's vocals fitted with the song.

I'm going to add in "Triumph" ... yep, they could be cheesy AOR, yep, they never did get too big outside their native Canada, and yes they were overshadowed by Rush, but they were phenomenal musicians and incredibly talented vocalists, their lyrics were intelligent and their songs were an impeccably written and eclectic mix of traditional blues, bits of jazz and hard rock ... with utterly beautiful spanish guitar instrumentals scattered throughout their albums. They may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they deserve more recognition than they got thats for sure.
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"Ghost of Cain" and "Thunder and Consolation" are utterly superb albums with the latter being their best work IMO. Didn't click with Sepultura's version of the Hunt though and I'm normally a fan. I didn't think Max's vocals fitted with the song.
Well, I heard the Sepultura version way before I heard the original, so I guess that is the one I got used to.
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didn't realize the hunt was a cover. have to check out the original.
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I agree on the Monkees, they actually were surprisingly good considering their origins.
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Michael Nesmith was a good song writer.
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And Peter Tork allegedly had a huge penis.
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The lead singer on most of the songs was Micky Dolenz, and none of you mentioned him!
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