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Old 05-11-2004, 04:13:56   #1
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It's no secret that bush is the most Worldly hated Pres ever ...

... but how has his re-election effected your non-American's view of the average USA citizen?
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I think the recent uptake in aneurisms is more indicative of those having the aneurisms than of the average Yank.
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I also think that Bush stands a better than even chance of being 'better' in the second than in the first term.
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Bush's second presidency has lower expectations to live up to.

If the U.S is still a going democratic concern at the end of it, instead of a dictatorial cesspit, then he will have done better than expected.

As a bonus at least, the U.S budget is already stretched so tight and the military is spread so thin the chances of any further invasions are slim. Even christian rednecks dislike the sight of their boys coming home in body bags.

So, yeah, I also think Bush stands a better than even chance of being 'better' in his second term. It's not feasible for him to do worse and there to still be a republican party around at the end of it.
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That sounds like a challenge.
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Have no fear. It will most certainly still be a democracy.

People said the same sort of stuff when Reagon got reelected but we all made it through just fine. Of course it took about 8 years to clean up the budget mess Reagon left behind.
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As a bonus at least, the U.S budget is already stretched so tight and the military is spread so thin the chances of any further invasions are slim. Even christian rednecks dislike the sight of their boys coming home in body bags.

Thats why no photos are allowed!

That one that got out cause enough problems.
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12, don't forget what Bush Sr. added to the pile.
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Well if there's another war planned, they will find a way to do it.
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It depends what you mean by war. The Morals rhetoric makes it sound more like a civil war...
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... but how has his re-election effected your non-American's view of the average USA citizen?
I have a lower opinion of the average American as before. Even if only 51% voted for Bush, it still ultimately reflects upon the whole American public.
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1. During his first tem Bush, and the country, got blind-sided by an attack that wasted a good chunk of downtown Manhattan and 3000 people. That ain't gonna happen every day, if ever again.

2. The deposition of Saddam was a long standing policy of the United States. Prior to Bush, Congress had passed measures to that effect that were signed by radical war mongers of the likes of Clinton. The fact they passed another one specifically allowing Bush to use force should have been all that the rest of the world needed to know that they were serious, and they were going in. Blow all the gaskets you will, but their intentions were plain. Blaming just them for fractured alliances is a little... bitchy.

It ain't likely that Bush is gonna get the leash he needs to get any more adventuresome. If he did, it would require Congress, all of whom are subject to reelection, to go along with him. That is really unlikely in the absense of another attack on the US.

Conclusion. People should chill out.
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Blow all the gaskets you will, but their intentions were plain. Blaming just them for fractured alliances is a little... bitchy.
Erm, WMD? A rushed war based on lies and misinformation with no plan for how to win the peace. And which meanwhile stretchs the resources of the war on terrorism to extremes, as well as creating a fertile new recruiting ground for the enemy...?

That kind of behaviour is not cause to chill out. Like much of the rest of the world, I'm kinda holding my breath waiting to see 'what happens next'.
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1. During his first tem Bush, and the country, got blind-sided by an attack that wasted a good chunk of downtown Manhattan and 3000 people. That ain't gonna happen every day, if ever again.

2. The deposition of Saddam was a long standing policy of the United States. Prior to Bush, Congress had passed measures to that effect that were signed by radical war mongers of the likes of Clinton. The fact they passed another one specifically allowing Bush to use force should have been all that the rest of the world needed to know that they were serious, and they were going in. Blow all the gaskets you will, but their intentions were plain. Blaming just them for fractured alliances is a little... bitchy.

It ain't likely that Bush is gonna get the leash he needs to get any more adventuresome. If he did, it would require Congress, all of whom are subject to reelection, to go along with him. That is really unlikely in the absense of another attack on the US.
Conclusion. There's going to be another attack.
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Erm, WMD? A rushed war based on lies and misinformation with no plan for how to win the peace. And which meanwhile stretchs the resources of the war on terrorism to extremes, as well as creating a fertile new recruiting ground for the enemy...?

That kind of behaviour is not cause to chill out. Like much of the rest of the world, I'm kinda holding my breath waiting to see 'what happens next'.
Most people believed he had WMD, including Saddam himself, prior to the showdown.

We seem to be winning the peace in Afghanistan. Give Iraq a chance.

As far as the resources of the war on terror, they have the Jihadists going to Iraq, not England, France, the US, or elsewhere.

Most of all, nothing would be different if Kerry had won. The chances for things to go well now are no less than they would have been if the result were different.

Like a little bit of the world, I can't see what else Bush could do wrong from here on out that Kerry might not be more likely to do.
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Good point. They should ahve used that as his campaign slogan.

"He can't fuck up worse than he already has."
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Sad, but true.

What I feared was that Kerry would find a way.
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I'm sure 4 years from now you will be looking back on the statement that Bush couldn't do worse with a bittersweet nostalgia.
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A turnip who hadn't denounced American soldiers in the past, and who perhaps acknowledged any one of a number of value issues, could have beat Bush.

Kerry was worse than a turnip.

How would he have done on foreign policy?
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No offense, but I hope to be done with the site in the next 4 years...

How many years has it been since Owo?

This is depressing.
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... but how has his re-election effected your non-American's view of the average USA citizen?
I still don't think there is such a thing as an average USA citizen.

Look at the range of views just on this site.

If anything the whole election showed how polarised the country and the views of the people within it are.
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Yep, 59 million for Bush, 55 million for Kerry, 80 million didn't bother. More polarised to not bothering than either candidate.
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The stem cell, gay and abortion thing is a bit of a shocker. I thought that America was supposed to be the most advanced country on the planet but clearly in terms of religion/morals it is still in the 18th century. 51% of course. I'm sure the rest of the country are normal.
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Stem cells and gay marriage are still controversial issues here. We don't have any gay marriages in the UK but they have had some in the US.
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No offense, but I hope to be done with the site in the next 4 years...

How many years has it been since Owo?

This is depressing.
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Stem cells and gay marriage are still controversial issues here. We don't have any gay marriages in the UK but they have had some in the US.
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we actually descovered stem cells / cloning. Thank fuck it hasn't been totally shut down here. Thank fuck they didn't pass that stupid no smacking law et.c etc.
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Stem cells and gay marriage are still controversial issues here. We don't have any gay marriages in the UK but they have had some in the US.
While that may be true, the really shocking part is the willingness to constitutionally forbid it (whether we are talking about state or federal constitutions). I can live with people not wanting to pass laws allowing it, but a constitutional ban is simply barbaric - especially when it is even extended to civil unions/domestic partnerships and benefits thereof.
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In the naked sense of the d-word, dictatorship by a stupid majority herded by a bunch of rabid freaks qualifies as democracy, so I won't dispute that....
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agreed@tau ceti. it's one thing to say 'i don't like gay marriages', it's another to say 'gays should be forbidden by law from marrying'

but then i'm not some nutcase who believes the world was created by little fairy people or that i'll be going to valhalla when i die
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... but how has his re-election effected your non-American's view of the average USA citizen?
No change.
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While that may be true, the really shocking part is the willingness to constitutionally forbid it (whether we are talking about state or federal constitutions). I can live with people not wanting to pass laws allowing it, but a constitutional ban is simply barbaric - especially when it is even extended to civil unions/domestic partnerships and benefits thereof.
The governmental system works differently there. The way I understand it it was legal (ie. Proved not to be unconstitutional, therefore legal) unless they specifically voted to ban it. So the only way to not allow it is to ban it, it's not just illegal by default until you vote to allow it.

Here (the UK) I think it's illegal because the laws dealing with marriage deal with man married to woman, so they won't change unless Parliment specifically makes it legal.

I don't see why allowing the public to vote for banning it is worse than havnig it illegal due to ancient laws in the UK and not even having a vote to see if it should be made legal?

I've never been allowed to vote on whether same sex marriages should be legal or not and if I was, I'm not sure that the British public would vote (with me) to legalise it.
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The governmental system works differently there. The way I understand it it was legal (ie. Proved not to be unconstitutional, therefore legal) unless they specifically voted to ban it.
It was and is not unconstitutional for the legislator to provide for gay marriage; absent such provisions, a gay marriage is a legal nothing though.
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Yes, that's true. Could you legally challenge that on equality grounds?
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Has been tried (esp San Francisco mayor, I think), but without success.
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agreed@tau ceti. it's one thing to say 'i don't like gay marriages', it's another to say 'gays should be forbidden by law from marrying'

but then i'm not some nutcase who believes the world was created by little fairy people or that i'll be going to valhalla when i die

WHAT!?!? Valhalla isn't real? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


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Possibly repeating some of the above points, and I admit to ignorance about how the US legal system works, but the way I see it, there are three possible cases:

1) No specific mention in any law; there are no provisions, so even if it is not expressly forbidden (or allowed), the actual act of a "marriage" has no meaning. This I would assume is the default case.

2) Gay marriage forbidden or allowed by state (or federal) law

3) Gay marriage forbidden or allowed by state (or federal) constitution

Assuming that people are against gay marriage, given 1), I do not see the need for 2 or 3 except as an expression of hatred and prejudice. I would find 2) wrong and disturbing but still legitimate. 3), however, is an abuse of power and of the concept of a constitution. A constitution should contain the founding and governing principles of a state, and an issue such as this has no place there. Indeed, it is the precise opposite of the usual protection of minority rights that is found in many constitutions. Surely the proponents of amendments must also see this, and the primary reason for wanting a constitutional ban is to make it harder to repeal. It is disgusting.

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It is not. My objection is mainly to making constitutional amendments on the issue, although ultimately, I believe it is an issue of basic rights that should not be subject to the whim of the majority.
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