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Old 06-10-2004, 15:29:46   #1
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Bad week for the Bush campaign.

Well, its Wed.

After Bush looking like a Monkey in a suit on the first debates this week isn't going well and there are still 4 days left!

So far this week,

Bush and Rumfeld give talks on the same day, Georgie says there are links between Saddam and AQ, DOnnie says that was all wrong and there are absolutely none.

Bremer, the guy Bush put in charge of Iraq after the war explained exactly why we are failing miserably and the incompetence of the immediate postwar through the continued idiocy of today. All these comments in stark contrast to everything he has ever said. When asked for an explaination, his office said that he thought "the comments were for a private audience and off the record". i.e. he only tells the truth when its secret, but this one slipped out.

Last night Cheney was caught in another two lies.

1- , To makeEdwards seem like an outsider who had no experience he claimed that the first time he met him was last night on stage. Damn the news stations (except Fox) for showing a half dozen clips of Edwards and Cheney talking, shaking hands, etc.

2- Cheney claimed he had never claimed a link to Iraq and AQ. Damn the non-fox stations again for airing that comment next to his "meet the Press" interview where he links the two.

Condi Rice is publicly back on the "proof" that Saddam was developing WMDs because he had those aluminum tubes. As She points out Aluminum tubes are "only suitable for weapons development".

All this combined actually has some news networks refering to these statements etc as "nontruths"!!!

Maybe in a few years we will be able to hear them use the word "lie"!
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The investigators officially concluded that Iraq had no WMD before the invasion as well. Report came out today.
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But he had aluminum tubes you commie anti-american shithead!
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Old 06-10-2004, 15:40:56   #4
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no point talking to Mike like that he has a "red under the bed", and from what I've heard a few in his bed too.....
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Exactly, he ran away.
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shit i better get rid of those aluminium tubes.

Who knows what would happen if the US found out.
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i'd imagine it would be a cavity search at the very least
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Imagine my disgust when, while out smoking a cigarette in my garden, I noticed that the very pole used to hold up my washing line was infact supposed to be for creating WMDs!!! Obviously I called an airstrike on myself instanly.
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Some people call my pole a WMD too
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Old 06-10-2004, 18:14:44   #12
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A female friend of mine once allowed herself to be taken back to someone's hotel room to "watch the war on Iraq".

She later reported that said gentleman's weapon was "very conventional".
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Old 06-10-2004, 19:19:00   #14
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Some people call my pole a WMD too
Shh. Or else everyone will want one.
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If any of the potheads out there bother to look at what Bush actually said instead of what you wish he said you will see that he isn't AS BIG a liar as you want him to be.

He said they were developing weapons, and had programs in place to make these weapons, and to put them in the hands of terrorsits... Thus, the Al tubes support his case, they don't dispute it.

Shit people, I thought you were smarter than this.
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Yeah, it doesn't seem they were lying at all
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Old 06-10-2004, 20:09:36   #17
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He said they were developing weapons

No they weren't.

, and had programs in place to make these weapons,

No they didn't

and to put them in the hands of terrorsits...

No they didn't

Thus, the Al tubes support his case, they don't dispute it.

They don't support or dispute it at all. However, the admin's silly claims that aluminum tubes are only useful for making WMDs si idiotic.

Iraq had "intentions" of having all these things, but had none of them. The only plans/setup they found was one component that was buried in someones yard before the first gulf war. They have found no evidence of anything they are claiming.

THe most they have found is supposedly a small lab where they had the capability of making tiny amounts of biological weapons that at most could be used for assassination/murder. In other words they had stock reagents, petri dishes, and an incubator.

Intentions or desires are very different than material.
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Old 06-10-2004, 20:13:13   #18
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Oh, and I will leave it to others to post links to the bush admin saying over and over again that there were WMDs. You probably remember blair doing the same thing. Remember Powell with his vial of Anthrax in the UN?
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Old 06-10-2004, 20:19:22   #19
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President Bush’s Address to the Nation on War with Iraq
March 17, 2003
My fellow citizens, events in Iraq have now reached the final days of decision. For more than a decade, the United
States and other nations have pursued patient and honorable efforts to disarm the Iraqi regime without war. That
regime pledged to reveal and destroy all its weapons of mass destruction as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War in
1991.
Since then, the world has engaged in 12 years of diplomacy. We have passed more than a dozen resolutions in the
United Nations Security Council. We have sent hundreds of weapons inspectors to oversee the disarmament of Iraq. Our
good faith has not been returned.
The Iraqi regime has used diplomacy as a ploy to gain time and advantage. It has uniformly defi ed Security Council
resolutions demanding full disarmament. Over the years, U.N. weapon inspectors have been threatened by Iraqi offi cials,
electronically bugged, and systematically deceived. Peaceful efforts to disarm the Iraqi regime have failed again and again—
because we are not dealing with peaceful men.
Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and
conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. This regime has already used weapons of mass destruction against
Iraq’s neighbors and against Iraq’s people.
The regime has a history of reckless aggression in the Middle East. It has a deep hatred of America and our friends. And
it has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda.
The danger is clear: using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons, obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists
could fulfi ll their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country, or
any other.
The United States and other nations did nothing to deserve or invite this threat. But we will do everything to defeat it.
Instead of drifting along toward tragedy, we will set a course toward safety. Before the day of horror can come, before it is
too late to act, this danger will be removed.
The United States of America has the sovereign authority to use force in assuring its own national security. That duty
falls to me, as Commander-in-Chief, by the oath I have sworn, by the oath I will keep.
Recognizing the threat to our country, the United States Congress voted overwhelmingly last year to support the use of
force against Iraq. America tried to work with the United Nations to address this threat because we wanted to resolve the
issue peacefully. We believe in the mission of the United Nations. One reason the U.N. was founded after the second world
war was to confront aggressive dictators, actively and early, before they can attack the innocent and destroy the peace.
In the case of Iraq, the Security Council did act, in the early 1990s. Under Resolutions 678 and 687—both still in
effect—the United States and our allies are authorized to use force in ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction. This is
not a question of authority, it is a question of will.
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lol and even Foxnews had this to say today

"Saddam had none, wasn't making any; officials say Iraq was mulling weapons plan"


Mulling? KILL HIM!
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I really remember this show:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0030205-1.html

That was cool. Convincing.
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Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the American regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. This regime has already used weapons of mass destruction against Iraq’s people.
The regime has a history of reckless aggression in the Middle East.
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This should probably be a whole different thread, but I don't want to get all Poly-style political...

An interesting read: http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/...talillness.htm

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In his 219-page clinical diagnosis of the President's mental condition, Dr. Frank concluded that Mr. Bush suffers from a range of serious, albeit curable conditions. These include: Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD); untreated and uncured alcoholism (what is frequently referred to in lay terms as "dry drunk"); an omnipotence complex; paranoia; an Oedipal Complex; sadism; a mild form of Tourette's Syndrome; and a diminished capacity to distinguish between reality and fantasy.
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Much as I hate Bush I think that maybe Dr Frank is a democrat who can just use technical terms for his hatred. I'll go along with the"diminished capacity to distinguish between reality and fantasy" and the "omnipotence complex" though. I shall attempt to memorise those terms next time I'm talking to a nazi... er... I mean Bush supporter.
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it's a liberal propaganda

since this CG I will refrain from hurling my Republican propoganda up against it

this is not the place for such filth
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Dr. Frank is a leading psychoanalyst who teaches at George Washington University Medical Center. His professional credentials are impressive, and his in-depth study of the President, based on massive amounts of public documentation—autobiographical and biographical accounts, countless hours of video footage of the President, statements by close associates and relatives, spanning nearly the entirety of George W. Bush's lifetime
Sure he's a democrat, and sure he's bound to put a bit of spin on what he's saying, but that doesn't mean you can discount what he says altogether. I found it interesting anyway.
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I don't doubt that Bush displays symptoms of those character traits, I just suspect that you could take any individual and count a half-dozen things that listed like that could make them seem unfit for presidency. Of those "omnipotence complex" is practically a prerequisite, mild paranoia is very common in the population, Oedipal complexes are ten-a-penny, Tourettes shouldn't exclude him from being a good president (albeit one that sounds like a bit of a moron sometimes) and the only really worrying one is the "diminished capacity to distinguish between reality and fantasy".

(I'm defending Bush? WTF?)
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No, I wouldn't discount it altogether. Without wishing to sound like a stupid Sun reader, I think he might just be someone who can talk alot of intellectual mumbo jumbo to shape the point he's trying to make. Like philosophers who will try to convince you that black is in fact white and that you are just a figment of someone else's imagination.

If a republican psychoanalyst wanted to poopoo that paper he would do in an equally convincing way because it's one of those vague subjects with no difinitive right or wrong.

Having said that I am drunk, possibly argumentative and Bush is still an evil nazi cunt.
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In the debate the other day he blurted out "Let me finish!" when nobody had tried to interupt him...
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That was probably god talking to him.
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Dr. Frank! That name sure is spelled in German. A sinister Herr Doktor with an eyepatch or a scar across his face.
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he isn't AS BIG a liar as you want him to be.
I'm afraid he's much worse. He believes 100 % of the untruths he spouts.
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If that were true he'd not technically be lying, he'd be delusional.
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I have a feeling that the Bush family's hold over America is too strong for the light side to regain control. We might be looking at another term of world chaos.
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If that were true he'd not technically be lying, he'd be delusional.
Which is why I said "untruths". Or is it nontruths?
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I have a feeling that the Bush family's hold over America is too strong for the light side to regain control. We might be looking at another term of world chaos.
Kerry would only be moderately less bad anyway.
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He would be less bad and moderate and moderately less bad at the same time.
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the lesser of two evils is better in any case, except if the post is leader of evil... wait.. it's the same thing
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no silly, you have to hang the alky upside down in a dark and dry place, such as the closet for about three weeks then the fella would be cured.
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The white and the cubans in florida are allowed to vote. The rest will find traffic stops etc around their neighboorhoods like in 2000.
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