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Old 21-03-2004, 10:54:36   #1
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University student who sold her virginity goes through with deal

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8 grand odd to sleep with that...you can get much higher quality whores far cheaper than that...

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Yeah I wouldn't say she looked worth 8400...
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Old 21-03-2004, 11:14:17   #5
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"I was just so relieved when it was over... I was desperate to get back to Jess as I felt so uncomfortable."

The next morning she said she joined her partner and they "just cried and cried".
What a horrible story. She is so stupid for doing that.
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That's what I thought when I saw her picture too.

I've fucked 2 much prettier virgins than her.
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She told the newspaper: "I felt obliged... to please him as he had just paid all this money."
Not only ugly, but stupid too.

Yes, that's what being a whore is: people pay you and you please them.
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i can't believe someone paid money to sleep with her, i might have considered paying to watch her and her girl, but just her? that much? no.
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You really are a cunt aren't you KH?

Yes, it was extremely stupid of her. But I think the focus should be on the bastard who bought her virginity- what a seriously warped mind he and all others like him have. Here in Sweden he'd be able to be charged for what he did, of course, but in England he can walk away a free man.
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He could be charged? With what, soliciting prostitution? She could similarly be charged.

She's 18 and a big girl. I have no pity for her.
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There's no victims in this case whatsoever. She got her money, he got a roll in the hay.

She also got a load of free publicity, which is apparently what she was shooting for, given the number of different interviews she's given.

Most whores at least have the decency to keep their trap shut about their business dealings.
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Yes, it was extremely stupid of her. But I think the focus should be on the bastard who bought her virginity- what a seriously warped mind he and all others like him have. Here in Sweden he'd be able to be charged for what he did, of course, but in England he can walk away a free man.
Wow. Do you still burn witches up there?
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You're a misogynist bastard, KH, your kind of thought was banished from more civilized societies long ago. "Whore" indeed.

I'm not talking victimhood (although a case can certainly be made for it), I'm assigning blame. And the blame is entirely and fully with the man and the system he represents whereby a woman's sexuality can be bought for money. It is a sick individual in a sickening system that has sex with a basically unwilling participant purely to exhibit his power, and the power money gives him. I realise in your world it's okay for sex to be purely about power and exploitation (especially if it's of women, a group of people you clearly hold in contempt), but I for one think the bastard should be locked up for a long time.
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You're a misogynist bastard, KH, your kind of thought was banished from more civilized societies long ago. "Whore" indeed.

I'm not talking victimhood (although a case can certainly be made for it), I'm assigning blame. And the blame is entirely and fully with the man and the system he represents whereby a woman's sexuality can be bought for money. It is a sick individual in a sickening system that has sex with a basically unwilling participant purely to exhibit his power, and the power money gives him. I realise in your world it's okay for sex to be purely about power and exploitation (especially if it's of women, a group of people you clearly hold in contempt), but I for one think the bastard should be locked up for a long time.
This is possibly the most pathetic post I've ever seen you make.

a) Do you similarly object when I refer to a whore's customers as "Johns"

b) "Banished". Interesting.

c) The woman's sexuality can be bought for money, a man's sexuality can be bought for money, anybody's time and creativity can be (and are) bought for money...cry me a river. I'd rather take a roll in the hay with a stranger than drudge away at some minuimum wage job for 8 months or a year. She made that decision, more power to her.

But then she starts whining about how bad she feels about what she did.

Too fucking bad. I'll have the same reaction if the guy comes out and says that he's got buyer's remorse.
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I can just see you blubbering away at your computer as you think about a college student who made a grown-up decision as has to deal with grown-up consequences. Nobody slipped a pill in her drink or smacked her with a blackjack. She's not some 9 year-old sold into sexual slavery in Thailand. She's an 18 year-old. Her body is hers to sell, and fuck anybody who tells her it's not.

That's sexual empowerment, baby.
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Well, call me a bleeding heart leftie but I'm with Scabby on this one. Rather than scorn about her looks she needs sympathy and help. She would have to be seriously messed up to put herself in that position. Not to mention the position the government put her in with regards to her student debts.
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Why does she need my sympathy any more than the thousands of other students struggling with debt (of which I would certainly have been one had I not worked all the way through university)? And why would she have to be "seriously messed up"? It's not like she consented to have him drive nails into her brain; she consented to performing an act for money which most women perform for free thousands of times in their lives.

Who am I to claim that she does not have the right to sell something which is manifestly hers?

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So you think that someone who finds themselves in that sort of mental state doesn't need help or guidance?
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What sort of mental state? The one in which they exchange a good or service they are in possession of for one they aren't?
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Oh she's got every right to sell it - I'm disputing capitalist-patriarchal society's right to buy it.

Anyway, why do you see sex as a commodity ("provided for free" is apparently your view of female sexuality)? Are women just obejcts to you?
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I think that a lot of women in prostitution or pornography (and a number of men too) are being victimised. Many probably have substance abuse problems (which limit their capacity for decision-making). More disturbing is the number of underage girls in prostitution. These are victims. These are symptoms of sickness.

An 18 year-old getting paid an exorbitant amount of money to sleep with a man and then complaining about it to the media is silly.
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You think a lesbian teenager having painful and uncomfortable sex with a male stranger is a sale of a "good or service they are in possession of" rather than a rather sad and sorded story of a girl that needs psychological help?

Do you regularly sell your ass to men for money?
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Oh she's got every right to sell it - I'm disputing capitalist-patriarchal society's right to buy it.

Anyway, why do you see sex as a commodity ("provided for free" is apparently your view of female sexuality)? Are women just obejcts to you?
No more than I'm just an object. I also have provided sex for free thousands of times in my life.

I've never been paid for it. The instant I am, you're free to call me a whore. I'll cry all the way to the bank.

"Capitalist patriarchal"?

Huh? The capitalist part I get. The patriarchal part I don't. Are there laws which prevent men from selling sex but allow women to? The current actually runs the opposite way on this sort of thing. You're obviously the one who's been brainwashed into perceiving women as victims and men as victimisers in all things sexual.

How much sympathy would this be garnering if it was an 18 year-old boy selling himself to middle-aged women? Almost none, I'm sure, and that's how it should be.
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You think a lesbian teenager having painful and uncomfortable sex with a male stranger is a sale of a "good or service they are in possession of" rather than a rather sad and sorded story of a girl that needs psychological help?

Do you regularly sell your ass to men for money?
If I decided that I wanted to I wouldn't expect any sympathy from you.

8400 pounds sterling is below my breakeven point on homosexual sex for cash. I'm probably closer to 15 000 or so (though my girlfriend would have veto power on this).

So if you can convince her and have 15000 pounds to burn, I'm your man.
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An 18 year old gay student desperate for funds having sex with a middle aged women would be the same situation.

Would you like to be in a situation where you sell your ass for painful sex with a stranger of the same sex? Surely not. And if you were in that situation or mindset wouldn't you deserve a little empathy or help?
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I recall when I was 18 wading hip-deep through used soda cans which had been fermenting for 8 months. I was paid 8 dollars an hour. On that same job I worked loading conatiners which reached temperatures of 130 degrees fahrenheit at noon. The smell was so strong I was gagging constantly for hours on end.

Some people clean fucking toilets for money, and a hell of a lot less of it than she got.

So bitch about capitalism if you want, but to put the blame on some sort of frightening view of male-dominated society is ridiculous and demeaning toward women, who I believe are as competent to make decisions about themselves as any of you.
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IMO neither of them need, neither insults nor sympathy, nor unreasonable calls for prosecution either come to that.

They are all adults who made their own decisions and are responsible for them. Who is anyone to say you need to be prosecuted because you chose to pay directly for sex (virgin or otherwise) or sympathy because you chose to prostitute youself in preference to find the money you required by other means.

One was willing to sell, the other to buy. No one else's business. One makes one's own bed, and then lies in it.
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Even if that decision is bad and harmful and ultimately discovered to be a terrible mistake?

I know people are responsible for their own actions but if any of you were considering such a stupid act I would try and dissuade you.

Think of Alsieboo having sex in a public toilet with a stranger. She was responsible for her own actions, should we have just told her to charge the guy money or were we right to try and persuade her to not go through with it?
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I think she knew exactly what she was doing and she wasnt exactly being kerbcrawled here and in that respect it doesnt matter what gender she is.
I do however think she obviously didnt realise the psychological impact it would have on her. She's 18 and thats still very young and we all make mistakes. she has every right to be upset, and a 44 year old man should be ashamed of himself for taking advantage of her youth and inexperience like this. It does make me sick that our society treats women in such a way that virginity is regarded as a trophy like this. This girl will be fucked up for a long time.
As for Tony Blair, he wont be content until we're all selling our bodies for his new world order.
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Even if that decision is bad and harmful and ultimately discovered to be a terrible mistake?

I know people are responsible for their own actions but if any of you were considering such a stupid act I would try and dissuade you.

Think of Alsieboo having sex in a public toilet with a stranger. She was responsible for her own actions, should we have just told her to charge the guy money or were we right to try and persuade her to not go through with it?
The last time I checked alsie was 15 years old, and was going to have sex in an unsupervised location with someone whose background she was very unsure of. This girl had her partner at the same hotel, had other people aware of her location etc.

If I was her mother or her friend I'd try to convince her out of it. Otherwise it's none of my business.

And she wouldn't have earned my ridicule except for the fact that she's been making a public spectacle of herself.

A clown always deserves a laugh, and I've given her mine.
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If I was her mother or her friend I'd try to convince her out of it.
There we go. There's what I wanted. You do have a heart.

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Otherwise it's none of my business.
Ah. That's where we differ then. I try my best to see everyone from their angle. I'm no Ned Flanders but I guess I'm a bleeding heart commie buddhist bastard hippy.
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I'm a pinko scum too. But there's too much shit going on in the world to care about some silly little 18 year-old making an 18 year-old's mistakes.

And I still can't get over the fact that she's been publicising her little arrangement. To me that screams of somebody who feeds on sympathy and attention.
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I have some sympathy for her finacial situation and the like, but this was HER CHOICE.

8400 plus an undisclosed amount of media money will help her out a lot. The guy didn't force her into this. If you're going to pass any judgement here or show disgust, they're BOTH culpable.
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And I still can't get over the fact that she's been publicising her little arrangement. To me that screams of somebody who feeds on sympathy and attention.
I can, the tabloids pay quite a bit for stories lilke that
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Based on this thread, the shock horror interest factor is very high...
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She also got a load of free publicity, which is apparently what she was shooting for
Was that pun intended?
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I'm with KH.

The bleeding hearts may think it's sad that sex is sold as a commodity but the fact is that this girl has exploited this fact for her own financal gain.

Let's just say that again, she has exploited the system for her own financial gain. She may have to live with the consequences on a psychological level, but she has reaped the rewards of this scheme exactly as she planned.

I have no sympathy for her, even less when you consider the potential money she has made from selling her story to the press or her inevitable future TV appearances.
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Picture and article are gone now. Still, with a bit of effort most young men could bag a virgin with much less money.
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I'd like to hear the "buyers" side of this story....
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What "system"? The "system" whereby 44-year-old men excercise the power their money has given them expressely to humiliate young women as much as possible? Yeah, nice using of the system, Rosie. You really got that sucker that time.

KH: Saying that prostitution is not a problem of the patriarchy is like saying domestic violence isn't - the fact that there are a few cases in the opposite direction does not mean it's not almost entirely a way for men to boost (keep!) power over women. The number of male prostitute users vastly outnumbers the female.
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