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Old 31-01-2004, 10:10:26   #51
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and that uis the fifferenc4e, the eimp[ortant differecvn between cp[hucicne and notne sphicence
Apparently there's a difference betwenn cappuchino and sphincters.
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Look, we're all into the stars right. There is a fascination about the heavenly bodies etc.....

But we men try to understand the stars by the application of science, namely astrophysics. Most of the aforementioned females (in my experience), well, their eyes tend to glaze over at the mearest mention of science, but the fascination still remains, so they turn to Astrology!
Please note, I am aware that there are many great female scientists around!
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As usual, you all sit round slagging astrology off, without actually bothering to learn or understand even its most basic principles. This really fucks me off because its what all scientists do, and then they formulate arguments to satisfy the logic of their own flawed understanding.
The basic principle being that people's personality traints are decided according to the time and place they're born, instead of according to who their parents are and what their life experience is?

That's a principle I'm happy to sit around and slag off.


Astrology is sometimes right. So is the magic 8 ball. What matters are the times it isn't.
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yes, as I thought- none of you understand any of what your arguing about.
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yes, as I thought- none of you understand any of what your arguing about.
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I dont care, it just bugs me when people go on about things they have no idea about. Its a bit like if I started criticising Astrophysics having never bothered to research it and see if it may remotely work.

Anyway, you're all turd-burglars
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My horoscope said people would call me a turd-burglar today.

Then again, it says that every day.
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I dont care, it just bugs me when people go on about things they have no idea about.
Ok, so what are we missing? The version of astrology that integrates psychology?
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I dont care, it just bugs me when people go on about things they have no idea about. Its a bit like if I started criticising Astrophysics having never bothered to research it and see if it may remotely work.
If you were to do that, I would be sure to provide a counter arguement based on the strength of the theory, instead of just slagging you off as cynical and ignorant, and claim that no-one understands the concept.

What, back there, did I get wrong? Are you saying that astrology ISN'T the idea that "people's personality traints are decided according to the time and place they're born, instead of according to who their parents are and what their life experience is?"

What don't I understand?
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I dont care, it just bugs me when people go on about things they have no idea about. Its a bit like if I started criticising Astrophysics having never bothered to research it and see if it may remotely work.

Anyway, you're all turd-burglars
I can answer any criticisms of Astronomy you have (probably some of which are very valid, no science is perfect and we don't have all the answers to everything). I concede that it can be very accurate. But not that it's scientific. It doesn't follow any of the requirements for scientific investigation.

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Did you test switched data?
Suppose you repeat your tests with switched data, using non-Leos instead of Leos. people without a Mars-Neptune conjunction, and the wrong birth chart. And suppose the results are no different. Whereas 90% of Leos said they were like Leo, so did 90% of non-Leos, so Leos are no more like Leo than non-Leos. Are you still absolutely, totally, completely convinced that astrology works? Of course not.
Again, none of this is make-believe. Many tests with switched data have been made, all with results like these. Your sun sign and birth chart may fit you exactly but so do sun signs and birth charts that are not yours. Astrologers and their clients cannot tell the difference. No wonder astrology seems to work.
Most astrological profiles of me have things that are about 50% right (and flattering) and 50% wrong (but also quite flattering).

Still, I expect it's probably typical capricorn for me to by totally cynical about Astrology is it?
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Angelhorns: could you explain Astrology̵s basic principles? As clearly none of us know, and there are a lot or bad astrologers out there, it would be better if we were all on the same page.
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My birth time is "probably sometime in the early morning, I think that's when most of you were born".

This seems to my untrained eye to be a fairly basic introduction. Obviously not a very good one because it says:

http://www.zaalberg.freeserve.co.uk/...gy_primer.html

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Capricorn, the tenth Sign of the Zodiac, is all about hard work. Those born under this Sign are more than happy to put in a full day at the office, realizing that it will likely take a lot of those days to get to the top. That's no problem, since Capricorns are both ambitious and determined: they will get there


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http://www.astrology.com/allaboutyou...capricorn.html

I am so not a capricorn, I think I'm going to adopt Gemini as my new sign.
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Those born under this Sign have the social conscience needed to carry us into the new millennium. These folks are humanitarian, philanthropic and keenly interested in making the world a better place.
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In much the same way that the Water Bearer brings that precious liquid as a gift, Aquarians shower the world with their thoughts and new ideas. Luckily for Aquarians (and the rest of us), they are at a near-genius level, so their minds churn out some amazing things. Their thought process is also inventive and original.
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Aries: (March 21—April 19)
Your financial outlook isn't a pretty picture, but it does have a certain dark, Brueghelian magnificence.

Taurus: (April. 20—May 20)
Your new diet will cause you to become so skinny that, when sitting around the house, you will do so on a single, easily determined side of the house.

Gemini: (May 21—June 21)
Although it was fun to hear your name on television, you still don't think the president should use the State Of The Union address to put prices on citizens' heads.

Cancer: (June 22—July 22)
Learning to accept change is a sign of maturity. Enjoy spending your golden years begging for it on the corner.

Leo: (July 23—Aug. 22)
If you learn one thing this week, let it be this: What matters isn't whether you're innocent or guilty, but what you wear to the trial.

Virgo: (Aug. 23—Sept. 22)
Luckily, the trend of closed-casket funerals has allowed you to take certain aesthetic shortcuts in your work.



Libra: (Sept. 23—Oct. 23)
You're really getting tired of big business screwing over the little guy in the subplots of all those TV movies.

Scorpio: (Oct. 24—Nov. 21)
You won't so much haunt the world after your death as become the spiritual equivalent of that guy who kept coming back to visit high school after graduation.

Sagittarius: (Nov. 22—Dec. 21)
Your fake-sounding French accent is even more heinous considering that you grew up in the countryside around Toulon.

Capricorn: (Dec. 22—Jan. 19)
You always seem to improve the performances of those around you, usually by slipping them amphetamines while they're not looking.

Aquarius: (Jan. 20—Feb. 18)
Although your cancer, if treated early, has a 96 percent recovery rate, doctors are strangely reluctant to treat you.

Pisces: (Feb. 19—March 20)
You can't really help the way people feel about you, especially if the dumbasses refuse to listen to reason.

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Aquarius!
There’s travel in your future when your tongue freezes to the back of a speeding bus
Fill that void in your pathetic life by playing Whack-A-Mole seventeen hours a day

Pisces!
Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus
You are the true Lord of the Dance, no matter what those idiots at work say

Aries!
The look on your face will be priceless when you find that forty pound watermelon in your colon
Trade toothbrushes with an albino dwarf, then give a hickey to Meryl Streep

Taurus!
You will never find true happiness—what you gonna do, cry about it?
The stars predict tomorrow you’ll wake up, do a bunch of stuff, and then go back to sleep

That’s your horoscope for today (that’s your horoscope for today)
That’s your horoscope for today
That’s your horoscope for today (that’s your horoscope for today)
That’s your horoscope for today

Gemini!
Your birthday party will be ruined once again by your explosive flatulence
Your love life will run into trouble when your fiancée hurls a javelin through your chest

Cancer!
The position of Jupiter says you should spend the rest of the week face down in the mud
Try not to shove a roll of duct tape up your nose while taking your driver’s test

Leo!
Now is not a good time to photocopy your butt and staple it to your boss’s face, oh no
Eat a bucket of tuna-flavored pudding, then wash it down with a gallon of Strawberry Quik

Virgo!
All Virgos are extremely friendly and intelligent—except for you
Expect a big surprise today when you wind up with your head impaled on a stick

That’s your horoscope for today (that’s your horoscope for today)
That’s your horoscope for today
That’s your horoscope for today (that’s your horoscope for today)
That’s your horoscope for today

Now you may find it inconceivable or at the very least a bit unlikely that the relative position of the planets and the stars could have a special deep significance or meaning that exclusively applies to only you, but let me give you my assurance that these forcasts and predictions are all based on solid, scientific, documented evidence, so you would have to be some kind of moron not to realise that every single one of the is absolutely true

Where was I?

Libra!
A big promotion is just around the corner for someone much more talented that you
Laughter is the very best medicine, remember that when your appendix bursts next week

Scorpio!
Get ready for an unexpected trip when you fall screaming from an open window
Work a little harder on improving your low self-esteem, you stupid freak

Sagittarius!
All your friends are laughing behind your back (kill them)
Take down all those naked pictures of Ernest Borgnine you’ve got hanging in your den

Capricorn!
The stars say that you’re an exciting and wonderful person, but you know they’re lying
If I were you, I’d lock my doors and windows and never never never never never leave my house again

That’s your horoscope for today (that’s your horoscope for today)
That’s your horoscope for today
That’s your horoscope for today (that’s your horoscope for today)
That’s your horoscope for today

That’s your horoscope for today (that’s your horoscope for today)
That’s your horoscope for today
That’s your horoscope for today (yay yay yay yay yay)
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go and read a decent book about astrology if you want to know the basic principles

The biggest clue for me that none of you know anything about it, is that you re all going on about the basic sun sign bullshit newspaper column horoscopes which are obviously just a bit of fun. Most serious astrologers wuld also laugh at these.

Astrology isn't a science, its more of a science/arts hybrid, rather like sociology and psychology.

And you're right Funko- no science is perfect or has all the answers (in fact its often wrong), yet critics always expect astrology that level of accuracy.

Anyway I've had enough of this conversation- its very boring when you've had it millions of times with people who just criticise based on their prejudices.
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Thagard (briefly reffered to on the linked site) claims that astrology is a pseudoscienve because it has been consistenly less successful at explaining phenomena than other, competing disciplines, and has done nothing to try to make up for this deficiency. How would you answer that claim?
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Socilogy and psychology on the other hand would be real sciences by the criterion that they're "ahead" in their fields.

My personal view is that any science that is not sceptical of its own results and does no self-testing is not a real science. How would you respond to that?
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Also, Astrology is a load of absolute fucking bollocks with absolutely no connection to reality whatosever. How do you respond to that?
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Nills - flamboyant lead guitarist, university material, lady killer, hard working, wears glasses, likes hoffmeister.

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Oh, hang on, we were born literally hours apart so that makes us both capricorn. Or is it the crab thing? Or are we snakes? I want to be a white tiger.
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Well I actually believe large chunks of it, but can I be a turd burglar anyway?
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Typical sagittarius.
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"people's personality traints are decided according to the time and place they're born, instead of according to who their parents are and what their life experience is?"

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The biggest clue for me that none of you know anything about it, is that you re all going on about the basic sun sign bullshit newspaper column horoscopes which are obviously just a bit of fun. Most serious astrologers wuld also laugh at these.

Where exactly did I mention Sun Signs or newspapers? I thought I cut to the heart of the matter quite accurately right there (just like a Saggitarius should)
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Think about all the Scorpios you know. They're all unhinged and evil, aren't they?

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I dunno. We're not allowed to mention "newspaper sunsigns" but Angelhorns is allowed to say that K_G is a typical Leo (or whatever sign she said he was). *shrug*

Basically she's never going to convince me it's scientific and she's never going to be convinced that it's not, I just wish she'd stop trying to convert me.
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Old 02-02-2004, 13:13:23   #99
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go and read a decent book about astrology if you want to know the basic principles
So you can’t explain it, and neither can any page on the web.

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Old 02-02-2004, 13:17:28   #100
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