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Old 11-02-2003, 15:33:22   #51
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in football, that's true, for the rest it's twice a century...
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Old 11-02-2003, 15:36:07   #52
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Oh and since when is my France toilet comment something new? Hell before all this Euro vs US started everyone here would have agreed with me.

I mean shit, that has nothing to do with Iraq or anything like that.
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Old 11-02-2003, 15:40:35   #53
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I still agree with you, Venom...


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Old 11-02-2003, 15:40:48   #54
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Old 11-02-2003, 15:45:53   #55
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Yes protein, twist the meaning of my post into some political commentary. This coming from the guy who want the igiveup smiley.
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Old 11-02-2003, 15:47:46   #56
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Disclaimer: This is not meant to be anti-American. I'm talking about both sides here.

Venom, it's not at all about people having different opinions. It's about people on both sides not being able to be respectful. There's no problem with having a political debate here. I would have preferred it if those concerned would have understood and made an effort to be a bit more open-minded and change their tone. It was a chance for people to show their maturity. Instead some chose not to take that chance, leave and post their hatred elsewhere.

Am I happy about this? I don't know. It certainly is a solution to the problems we had here. Whether it's the best solution is doubtful.
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Old 11-02-2003, 15:52:07   #57
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BTW, Venom, you really can't see the difference between these 2 posts? One is a weak attempt at being funny, the other pure hatred.


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I don't mind the first one, esp. considering the amount of US tourists we get every year, but the second one is kinda of... well hateful...
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Old 11-02-2003, 15:52:11   #58
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and for the rest I edit my post
Cheese-eating surrender monkey.

btw, how would you translate that into french?
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Old 11-02-2003, 15:54:53   #59
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I absolutely agree. Ideally, yes, open mindedness would rule and everyone would be able to debate logically and sensibly. And issues could be discussed with no problem and everyone could just walk away afterwards and say, interesting.

That didn't happen, and I don't think it ever could have. Not with how high EVERYONE's (EU and US, and all the other people out there) emtions and self righteousness has been running. I think this current situation was inevitable and probably for the best I'm just suprised by how angry it's made some people here.
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Old 11-02-2003, 15:55:13   #60
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les singes bouffeurs de fromage qui capitulent...

not very good, difficult to integrate 'surrender'
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I'm not angry at people leaving, like I said. I'm angry about what is being posted on FFZ. Thankfully it's over there and I'm here.
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Old 11-02-2003, 15:58:38   #62
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not very good, difficult to integrate 'surrender'
Napoleon had that problem too.
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Old 11-02-2003, 16:00:38   #63
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good point, actually...
if he had, it would have saved a lot of troubles...
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Old 11-02-2003, 16:05:20   #64
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BTW, Venom, you really can't see the difference between these 2 posts? One is a weak attempt at being funny, the other pure hatred.


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I don't mind the first one, esp. considering the amount of US tourists we get every year, but the second one is kinda of... well hateful...
Ah but Higgsy made no effort to point out the humor of my post. That's all I was commenting on. To the other the online personality of Venom would say absolutely whereas I would say not nice.
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Old 11-02-2003, 16:06:41   #65
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I'm not angry at people leaving, like I said. I'm angry about what is being posted on FFZ. Thankfully it's over there and I'm here.
Personally I think it's great that the undesirables finally left, it's like a breath of fresh air.

Anyone who doesn't agree only needs to look at the bile and hatred spewing forth from the FFZ forum to see these people's true colours have finally surfaced...

It makes Newsmax look tame by comparison
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Old 11-02-2003, 16:08:35   #66
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I'm not angry at people leaving, like I said. I'm angry about what is being posted on FFZ. Thankfully it's over there and I'm here.
Why are you angry about that? Did really see you cry out when the anti US stuff was being posted here? How is it different?

I haven't read much of it, btw. Won't go there to post if they don't want me there.
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Someone left here?
Why wasn't I informed?
There will be an investigation, commencing soon, maybe.
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FFZ actually got some funny stuff there.

"Won't go there to post if they don't want me there."

I consider posting there because they do not want me.
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Old 11-02-2003, 16:18:53   #69
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I did'nt think I'd slagged you guys off that badly, I didn't mean for you to leave (cept caligastia obviously).
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Old 11-02-2003, 16:19:46   #70
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That didn't happen, and I don't think it ever could have. Not with how high EVERYONE's (EU and US, and all the other people out there) emtions and self righteousness has been running. I think this current situation was inevitable and probably for the best I'm just suprised by how angry it's made some people here.
I agree, it was all probably inevitable. People have never been required to be respectful here, because of lack of control. Not that that's a bad thing ... it just shows that self-moderation also has its weaknesses.
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Anyone who doesn't agree only needs to look at the bile and hatred spewing forth from the FFZ forum to see these people's true colours have finally surfaced...

It makes Newsmax look tame by comparison
Yes, it's sad. I hope the people here will show a bit more class.
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Can't we establish a teletubby forum for all that?
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Old 11-02-2003, 16:25:57   #74
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Why are you angry about that? Did really see you cry out when the anti US stuff was being posted here? How is it different?
An excellent point Drekkus, we didn't stop this when we should have. Now it's too late. Now everyone is pissed off.
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Can't we establish a teletubby forum for all that?
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Yes, it's sad. I hope the people here will show a bit more class.
Hopefully now that their targets are gone this can happen. Maybe everyone will come back eventually.
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Old 11-02-2003, 16:30:23   #78
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Hopefully now that their targets are gone this can happen. Maybe everyone will come back eventually.
Well, there aren't any targets for the Americans at FFZ either, but it's still happening there. Both sides need to grow up, not only us.
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Old 11-02-2003, 16:32:40   #79
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Well, there aren't any targets for the Americans at FFZ either, but it's still happening there. Both sides need to grow up, not only us.
Apparently I didn't clarify that enough in my posts. I meant both sides being without targets. Hopefully it will clear out.

I'm one of the few people placing blame on both sides here, I firmly believe that this is case and that most people can't come to terms with that.
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I'm not pissed off or angry at Walrus, Venom, NYE or who ever. We've had a couple of pissfests over this issue, but so what? Do we really have to to group therapy over it?
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Some people just don't like their country pissed on, day after day. If you can get that, we're half way through therapy already.
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right, thanks for defending me, drek
oh wait, you're not talking about France... and I don't give a fly if my country is pissed on anyway...

right

My point : the day where a guy I have never met and who has absolutely no impact on my life manages to harm/sadden me will be a very strange day indeed. But that won't happen.
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I'm not pissed off or angry at Walrus, Venom, NYE or who ever. We've had a couple of pissfests over this issue, but so what? Do we really have to to group therapy over it?
I am fairly pissed off at some people, but we don't have to go to group therapy to resolve that. If we behaved like the adults we probably are, we'd have absolutely no problem. It's pretty simple.
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I wasn't here for the anti us thing, or if I was I didn't read any of the threads.
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right, thanks for defending me, drek
oh wait, you're not talking about France... and I don't give a fly if my country is pissed on anyway...

right

My point : the day where a guy I have never met and who has absolutely no impact on my life manages to harm/sadden me will be a very strange day indeed. But that won't happen.
What about it they slag, say for instance...Total War. Just an example off the top of my head.

Oh and let me add an just in case the righteousness of this thread is still too high.
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For what? This is a fucking web forum. I really don't get it how one can be affected by this to that extent.
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right, thanks for defending me, drek
oh wait, you're not talking about France... and I don't give a fly if my country is pissed on anyway...

right

My point : the day where a guy I have never met and who has absolutely no impact on my life manages to harm/sadden me will be a very strange day indeed. But that won't happen.
Well since you don't give a fly, as neither do I, why should I defend you? Or does it affect you after all? What I'm trying to say is it doesn't mean you can impose your standards on others. If you find that people do take offence, where's the problem in considering that.
It's the eye for an eye, he started it, crap that saddens me.
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Apparently I didn't clarify that enough in my posts. I meant both sides being without targets. Hopefully it will clear out.

I'm one of the few people placing blame on both sides here, I firmly believe that this is case and that most people can't come to terms with that.
The difference is that hatred and bile is not being spewed across Counterglow. They left and so did the hatred.
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Because they're not here there's no one to be baited any more with equal hatred and bile.
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What about it they slag, say for instance...Total War. Just an example off the top of my head.

Oh and let me add an just in case the righteousness of this thread is still too high.

If you slag Total War, I'll watch you die and will kill your relatives... no wait, I mean CMBB, I don't play Total War anymore...


now, I wanted a little flame on Total War, it didn't make me hate you. Seriously. I hate you now, of course, but only because I got to know you.


And drek, indeed I don't want you to defend me, and indeed I have stopped discussions on the Bush policies.
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For what? This is a fucking web forum. I really don't get it how one can be affected by this to that extent.

Some people are affected, some aren't. Some people take offense, some don't. Some people consider that other people take offense to what they're posting, some don't.
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And drek, indeed I don't want you to defend me, and indeed I have stopped discussions on the Bush policies.
Good. I probably surrender even faster than you smelly frogs do.
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now, I wanted a little flame on Total War, it didn't make me hate you. Seriously. I hate you now, of course, but only because I got to know you.
And I couldn't ask for anything more.
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Stop with the false moral symmetry. We are more innocent than you! And don't be getting all French-sexy sophisticated on me either...
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Instead of continuing fighting and arguing here and turning this place into Poly wannabe site, people left.
And this would be bad, why?

(Ok...because some people don't like the feel of Poly...fair enough. I do though. Sigh. )
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For what? This is a fucking web forum. I really don't get it how one can be affected by this to that extent.
Well...it happens. And unless, you are blind, you should know that. So the issue is more with you not getting it. Than with it happening or not.

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The WSJ had an op-ed piece today by the former head of the Iraq nuclear program talking about all the money that the French made out of selling reactor stuff to the Iraqi's at 400% normal cost, etc.
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