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Old 25-07-2004, 14:21:48   #1
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my computer is doing wierd stuf. It will scroll down when I don't want it to. Happens with or without the mouse in the circuit. Ran adaware and norton. no virsus, deleted some spyware. The home button will not work to scroll back up. But the page up and page down buttons still work.
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Old 25-07-2004, 14:24:39   #2
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ran winupdate and I am up to date. I wonder if it is a mechanical problem with the keyboard (dust or crap under the keys of the laptop...and if so, how to fix it.) Or maybe one of the settings (like numlock or something) is off. The kittens have a habbit of wallking on the keyboard and screwing it up.
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Old 25-07-2004, 14:33:25   #3
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I tapped the down arrow key a bunch and it seems to have fixed the problem. Is there some maintenance or something that I should do? I'm worried about the laptop becoming unusable.
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Old 25-07-2004, 14:33:54   #4
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Old 25-07-2004, 15:13:57   #6
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Step one: Hit computer with large hammer.

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Old 27-07-2004, 02:44:30   #8
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It's fiucking back and it fucking ticks me off. And the Dell is no longer under warranty.
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Old 27-07-2004, 10:09:43   #9
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Oerdin, wouldn't that become an infinite loop quite quickly, leaving TCO hitting his computer with a large hammer for all eternity?
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Old 27-07-2004, 21:01:42   #10
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Sounds like you need to clean your down arrow key, or swap keyboards. It's easiest to swap keyboards. Some keyboards are very cheaply made, and don't take kindly to popping their key caps off.

Is it your down arrow key, or your '2' on your keypad (if you got a 101 type keyboard)?
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Old 27-07-2004, 21:39:15   #11
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I'd try "scroll lock"
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Old 27-07-2004, 22:51:42   #12
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It is a laptop. Would not surprise me if it is dust or food in the keyboard.*

1. So how easy is it to change keyboards on a laptop?
2. What is scroll lock and how do I mess with it?
3. It is not a numeric key, it is a down arrow (laptop).
4. I'm not 100% sure it is the down arrow. May be the page down key.
5. Problem is intermittent. Was there a few minutes ago. Now behaving.
6. How should I research/fix this? Should I take it to a repair person?




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Old 27-07-2004, 22:54:04   #13
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Oh wait, I found scroll lock. It is one of those purple keys. Like the numlock. F12 The kittens tend to walk on the keyboard and make those fxn keys get messed up. Hope it is that rather than a faulted keyboard. hmmmm
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Old 27-07-2004, 23:48:11   #14
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vaguely related question. How can I find out what my fxn keys do?
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Old 27-07-2004, 23:52:08   #15
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Take off the pads and wash them in detergent. The true functions will then show under UV light.
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Old 28-07-2004, 03:01:17   #16
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Old 28-07-2004, 05:19:46   #17
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Apply a tazer to the grid of wires on your motherboard. There should be 64 of them side by side running from a chip on your motherboard to the RAM.
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Old 28-07-2004, 06:31:43   #18
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I would recommend taking laptops in to be fixed rather than fixing than yourself

but I also need a few keys fixed on mine (I know it is just a few keys, because they broke off)

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Old 28-07-2004, 19:30:44   #19
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Laptops are not easy to mess with. They are meant to never be opened by the end user... so they aren't nearly as easy to muck about with as a desktop or tower.

I wouldn't recommend anything but taking it into the vendor or authorized repair agent if you need it cleaned. Unless it's all out of warranty and you don't mind going out and getting a new unit?

What I've noticed with laptops...

* Incidental touches of the slide pad:
There may be ZERO wrong with your laptop. It may just be that your hand is occasionally striking your glide pad while you are not conscious of it. This will often cause your screen to go "wacko", as it will reposition your cursor and change what has focus. Also, many laptop installations include special feature "zones" on their glide pad setups so that the right edge is a virtual "verticle scroll bar/mouse wheel", and the bottom edge is a virtual "horizontal scroll bar/mouse wheel", and just accidentally touching those areas will make things scroll about suddenly. Especially noticeble for verticle because so many more documents have verticle scrolling but not horizontal.

If you *do* have those special scroll zones on your pad set up, try turning them off and seeing if your sudden jumping/scrolling problem goes away or become much more infrequent.

* Problems on resuming:
Oh yeah... on my Toshiba, I've noticed that when I "resume" operations on it (when it restarts after hybernating), sometimes the glide pad sees input that isn't happening. (The pointer moves as if a mouse is sliding by itself). I've found the most sure way of fixing that is to just hybernate the machine (close the clamshell case again), and resume it (open the clam) a few seconds after the machine finishes hybernating.

Also... many applications and service set ups will decide that a resume is the same thing as a boot up, and they will then run their auto-update checks. Norton AV, for instance... and while that process of auto-update is running, it will interfere with mouse input (glide pad). So, the cursor will coast about or not respond correctly while those processes are off looking to see if they need updating....

Finally... I've noticed there are a few odd processes/applications that for whatever reason interfere with input when my Toshiba notebook "resumes". That I can fix by just shutting down the process (and restarting if I need that running). Most that are problemsome make use of the desktop (desktop "toys" for instance), although several will not tell you that they do (wireless (Wi-Fi and Blue Tooth) host aps are really bad at doing that).
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Old 28-07-2004, 19:39:11   #20
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Just get a life that doesn't include the computer.

A little yoga, maybe Tai Chi, some volunteer work, gardening.
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Old 28-07-2004, 20:18:55   #21
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Old 28-07-2004, 20:22:22   #22
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What? You expect us to believe you? If you are posting here, there's no way we'd believe you have a life, Vincent!
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Old 28-07-2004, 20:24:53   #24
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Old 28-07-2004, 20:25:56   #25
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Is that like, sex with another person is overated? Or is it more like, having a date to the prom is overated?
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a date to the prom is not too overated if she puts out. sex with another person is overated if that person is fugly or related... There's rule man, rules. Note everything is black/white
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Old 28-07-2004, 21:05:23   #29
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I just picked up Black & White Deluxe at Best Buy yesterday for $5.99. I think I may have over payed by a couple of dollars, but its supposed to have some previews and demos of things I'm interested in included, so it shouldn't be a total waste of money.
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Wasn't that game supposed to be the absolute shit at one time? What happened?
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Old 29-07-2004, 02:13:30   #31
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1. nice thought about eschewing the puter. I should do that.

2. I just broke up with the gf.
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Old 29-07-2004, 03:06:34   #32
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I didn't even know you had another gf (since the one I met a year ago)

sorry to hear about that

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Old 29-07-2004, 03:26:01   #33
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yeah, since December. she is the sister of one of my deceased USNA classmates (but we did not meet from that).
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Old 29-07-2004, 03:31:31   #34
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well, the good thing to do would be to focus on work or something creative or artistic that you have always wanted to do (I take by your frown that you wish things had gone otherwise)

of course, that isn't what I do (I spend my time here and playing Anarchy Online)

anything interesting come up in work? interesting science problems or, ummm, other interesting type things (can't really imagine what interests people about work unless it is science related or art related, but..)

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I never figured out what scroll lock did myself. Never notice the difference with it on or off.
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I have stuff that is interesting science and business wise at work. I'm also thinking of buying my first house.
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I remember some old games didn't work right with it off...

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B&W? It is a pretty boring game. It was the promised "Paradise on Earth" game, but it was just repetive click fest most of the time. Like so many RTS games.

I was thinking of giving it to my cousin, who borrowed my B&W some very long time ago, and never returned it. A subtle comment on his tardiness at returning things... (Who says I'm not in touch with my feminine side? )
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How can I print out the list of processes running in the Task Manager? How do I determine what processes should not be running? How do I stop them from running on restart.
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You could make a screenshot and print the list. IIRC, hitting the PrtScn key puts a shot of the screen into the clipboard. From there, paste to an image editor or word processor.

What shouldn't be running? Junk like Gator, Comet Cursor, etc. Also, lots of people who make software for Windows think they should be resident in memory at all times. Using MSCONFIG.EXE is a good way to stop these from starting at boot time. The only things you should leave on are the firewall, virus checker, and memory-resident programs needed by hardware drivers. And extensions to the control panel like TweakUI. Generally, you don't want to kill any processes that belong to Windows services, even if said services are insecure and require a firewall to protect them from outside traffic. The system won't work properly without them, though you can turn off the Messenger service with no ill effects.

Realplayer, Winamp, Roxio, AOL, etc. all have tray icons that you don't need in order to use the software. They just make loading faster, but they also slow down startup by continuing to load even after you've logged in.

Where to find MSCONFIG.EXE? It's in 98 and XP, but was left out of 2000. Copying it from an XP or 98 installation to a 2000 installation works. It might also be out on the internet somewhere.

If it's on the path, click Start, then Run, then type "msconfig".
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Still not sure how to do it. I mean I can do the screenshot, although it irks me that Windows makes me do that kind of workaround in 2004. But about the specific processes, most of them, I can't tell if they are nescessary or not.
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iexplore.exe
explorer.exe
SVCHOST.exe
Navapsvc.exe
Navapw32.exe
iexplore.exe
Directcd.exe
alg.exe
taskmgr.exe
SPOOLSV.EXE
SynTPEnh.exe
SVCHOST.exe
SVCHOST.EXE
CRSS.EXE
SERVICES.EXE
SVCHOST.EXE
mm_tray.exe
DLF.exe
wanmpsvc.exe
DadApp.exe
nvsvc.exe
SybTPLpr.exe
CFD.exe
lsass.exe
winlogon.exe
smss.exe
System
System Idle Process

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Those are in order of memory usage.
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I just killed directcd. What was it?
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How about the rest?
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Google doesn't know everything, but here's what I found...

http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/anal...2agobotel.html
http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/anal...2agoboten.html

Looks like nvsvc.exe belongs to a worm. Per the advisory, delete the bogus entries from your HOSTS file before visiting Housecall or all requests for the page will be redirected to your PC's loopback address. Firewall software should block future attacks. I like Kerio Personal Firewall myself. ZoneAlarm is nice, but that splash screen on startup is just ugly.

Initially, Kerio or ZoneAlarm will bug you with questions about incoming and outgoing traffic, but once all your client software is registered for outgoing traffic, you'll only have to see questions about traffic coming in. Unless a client on your machine is trying to access a server on your machine, you can safely say no to 99% of incoming traffic.

alg.exe belogs to Windows' routing and firewall functions, but obviously the XP firewall thought it was okay for somebody on the internet to try to log onto your machine, though there's usually no reason to do so.

The Nav processes belong to Norton Antivirus. Maybe Agobot-EL/EN is newer than the currently installed definition file. If Symantec charges for updates, there's always the free Grisoft AVG.

mm_tray.exe belongs to MusicMatch Jukebox. You'll save memory by not starting it on boot. DadApp.exe appears to be some kind of Dell-specific service. You can probably shut that off too. CFD.exe appears to be some kind of advertising spyware from a company called Motive.

These last two, I have no idea. Try right-clicking them and looking at their properties.

DLF.exe
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After the system is cleaned and the firewall is up, it wouldn't hurt to go to the MS update site and get all their security patches.

It also wouldn't hurt to check for the download.ject exploit.

http://www.microsoft.com/security/in...load_ject.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/security/in.../settings.mspx

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DirectCD lets you burn cds. You have a tray icon to help you launch it's software, IIRC. At least, until you killed that process.
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DirectCD allows you to use CDs like floppies (well, at least like one use floppies)

it is constantly running and taking memory

you are usually not constantly writing to the CD

so it is far better to just open up your CD writing program when you want to write a CD

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