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Old 26-05-2004, 17:27:23   #1
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Laissez faire

How do you pronounce the word Laissez faire as an English speaker? Is is 'Lay Sez Fair' or 'Layz Sez Fair' or 'Lay Fare' (because the French, crazy as they are... often have lots of silent letters or too many vowels in their words) or maybe it's 'Lace Fair'.

And as an aside, how would you therefore pronounce Laisser faire?
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Old 26-05-2004, 17:34:43   #2
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i say 'less ay fair'
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Old 26-05-2004, 17:48:25   #3
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hm, makes sense.
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Old 26-05-2004, 17:50:37   #4
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"lazy fair" in Midwestern US English.
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Old 26-05-2004, 17:51:35   #5
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I like that one...
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Old 26-05-2004, 17:53:06   #6
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Kinda makes sense too.
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Old 26-05-2004, 17:56:38   #7
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Well, "ay" is a diphtong and "é" isn't.
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Old 26-05-2004, 18:05:49   #8
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"ay" is a who now?
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Old 26-05-2004, 18:17:51   #9
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Quote:
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Well, "ay" is a diphtong and "é" isn't.
ay is barely a diphthong in some accents (including mine)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAMPA_chart_for_English

Note the parentheses indicating optional diphthong on ay in US English

When I speak, the difference between saying the word "des" in French (when followed by a hard consonant starting the next word) and the English word "day" is almost inaudible. The main difference is in position of the lower jaw; in saying "day" my mouth is open slightly wider, relaxing my throat and bringing the sound from deeper than in saying "des".
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Old 26-05-2004, 18:20:46   #10
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what's a dipthong, is it anything to do with barely clad girls and vanilla dip?
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Old 26-05-2004, 18:23:02   #11
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The pronunciation of "laissez faire" from somebody who is fluent in Québecois French as a second language is (roughly)

l-eh-say fair

The eh represents the same sound as the "e" in bed. The really hard part to communicate is how to pronunce the "fair". The vowel part should be said with something similiar to a Midwestern twang. The "r" at the end is rolled slightly (not as much as in Spanish, though), which is something English speakers are notoriously bad at imitating.
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Old 26-05-2004, 18:24:27   #12
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what's a dipthong, is it anything to do with barely clad girls and vanilla dip?
It's two vowel sounds stuck together.

The best example in my mind is the "ow" sound in English which, when slowed down sufficiently, sounds like a-oo
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Old 26-05-2004, 18:53:37   #13
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Old 26-05-2004, 19:12:57   #14
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Wow, what a great thread.
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Old 27-05-2004, 07:13:06   #15
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Yup, perhaps more useful then entertaining, that term crops up so often in reading, but I hardly ever hear it used.
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Old 27-05-2004, 08:47:50   #16
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I say it the same way as K_G.
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Old 27-05-2004, 08:54:08   #17
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so that's how you pronounce K_G in english
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Old 27-05-2004, 08:54:38   #18
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So now I can stop trying "Les says fair" or "Lessie's Fair" and other amusing but questionable versions of the term.
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Old 27-05-2004, 10:13:16   #19
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Let's get back to these dipthongs. Now, would the dipping occur while the thongs are being worn, or seperately? And into which substance would this dipping take place? Just to clarify, we are talking about female thongs right? Coz what you said about "between two vowels" ('oo' I assume) is a little ambiguous, and a misunderstanding on that point could be... alarming.
Also, after the dipping takes place, what is done with or to the thongs next, and is it done with or to the thongs while the thongs are still being worn?

Also I'd like to know, do the French do dipthonging alot, is it hygienic, and is it legal in the UK?
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I was going to respond but I thought I'd just leave this thread to itself
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Lay-zay fair.
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