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Funkodrom 27-01-2005 14:29:30

Don't worry though, there's loads and loads of sex in Glue anyway. ;)

alsieboo 27-01-2005 14:38:09

that'll make it all worth while then :p

Funkodrom 27-01-2005 14:43:10

That's why you're so eager to get onto Porno right? :cute:

alsieboo 27-01-2005 14:47:30

of course, not because I'd heard it was supposed to be good and I thought it was about time I got around to reading something other than my usual

Funkodrom 27-01-2005 14:48:39

I knew it.

You don't have to read Glue first if you don't want to.

alsieboo 27-01-2005 15:15:03

there was me thinking that I had no choice in the matter

Funkodrom 27-01-2005 15:21:21

Glad I could help.

fp 27-01-2005 17:37:36

I might read Glue now. Had never heard of it before.

alsieboo 28-01-2005 01:21:56

he does have his uses then, I'd always wondered

Funkodrom 28-01-2005 09:25:20


Originally posted by fp
I might read Glue now. Had never heard of it before.
It's good.

sleeping_satsuma 28-01-2005 19:30:09


Originally posted by Funkodrom
I don't get that at all, it's not that hard to work out. I didn't need a translator and I've never even been to Scotland.

After about 20 pages I could read it almost as fast as if it was in non-dialect English.

This was before the film came out and Scotland was suddenly cool :)

sleeping_satsuma 28-01-2005 19:31:12

Is there really a girl from reading in Glue?
We read a book in my work book group and we discovered it had our company in it- that was weird!

sleeping_satsuma 30-01-2005 19:19:12

Northern Lights has ecome margially more interesting as she has now learned to read the alethiometer (just).

Has anyone else noticed the use of pagan imagery and symbols used in this book? I don't know whether thats intentional, or whether its just another thing he's setting up to take down later, but I always thought these books were anti-religion/belief systems? Maybe he did it unintentionally, I guess I'll find out...

Immortal Wombat 30-01-2005 20:45:54

They're anti-dogma and anti-organised religion I think. Pagan symbology might just be in there as a subtle nod to spirituality based around a less rigid doctrine.

fp 30-01-2005 20:58:55

I dunno, if you sacrifice your goat with a jade knife in the centre of the circle of stones at sunset while wearing the skin of bear the day AFTER the solstice then those Elder Druids will go fucking apeshit.

sleeping_satsuma 30-01-2005 23:13:27

true IW- it does seem like the pagan Narnia so far :)

Mr. Bas 31-01-2005 13:30:19

Just finished "De man die werk vond" by Herman Brusselmans. It manages to be both funny and depressing at the same time, I'd recommend it but I guess it's not available in English. Much of his humour wouldn't translate either I suppose.

Funkodrom 31-01-2005 13:35:49


Originally posted by sleeping_satsuma
Northern Lights has ecome margially more interesting as she has now learned to read the alethiometer (just).

Has anyone else noticed the use of pagan imagery and symbols used in this book? I don't know whether thats intentional, or whether its just another thing he's setting up to take down later, but I always thought these books were anti-religion/belief systems? Maybe he did it unintentionally, I guess I'll find out...

That's what I was trying to explain before. I don't think they are anti-Religion at all but very anti-organised religion, or more generally, anti doing whatever bad things in the name of something good...

sleeping_satsuma 31-01-2005 18:40:33

cool cool :)

King_Ghidra 01-02-2005 08:58:28

i finished the third book last night and frankly i don't think there's any message at all

there is some very minor criticism of the working of the catholic church in the world in which lyra comes from, but that is an imaginary catholic church far more powerful and pervasive than in ours.

i found it all very anticlimactic and disappointing, a mix of great ideas and bad and confused plotting

Funkodrom 01-02-2005 10:47:38

Shame. I thought they were absolutely amazing.

Maybe it's a lot easier for something to massively exceed expectations when you come to them with none. :D

King_Ghidra 01-02-2005 10:59:22

true, but i'm not saying i didn't thoroughly enjoy it, just that it's not everything it's cracked up to be

quotes like 'pullman, is he the best storyteller ever?' and crap like that (from the times no less) are ridiculous

and some people here have talked up the philosophical/scientific concepts but it's just a load of nothing, a parlour trick with no substance

some of it is insanely bad, like the 'intention craft' chapter which i mentioned in a previous post

Funkodrom 01-02-2005 11:09:54

Media in overhype shocker? :D

King_Ghidra 01-02-2005 11:44:59

well not just the media is it:


1. His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman
Awe-inspiring trilogy, making mincemeat of all allegedly adult modern literary fiction from Amis to Zadie.

originally posted by Funkodrom
She's right about his dark materials.

originally posted by Funkodrom
I didn't think the first one was crap, I thought it was very good but the final one was amazing.

originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
I'd agree with that. Book 3 was a headfuck. It's like Milton on Angel Dust.

originally posted by alsieboo
I can't believe you haven't read them, everyone should have read them.

originally posted by funkyfingers
These are geniunely superb books, and he rightly has won awards for them.
in fairness to funkfingers he at least later said

However, he won the biggest award for the Amber Spyglass, which I personally think is the weakest novel of the three. It was the largest in scope and had the big climactic battles, but the cleverness, wonder and atmosphere, and dare I say it, spirituality of the first two was not as marked.

fp 01-02-2005 13:54:29

To be honest saying that Pullman makes mincemeat of Martin Amis and Zadie Smith is damning him with faint praise. Neither of those two are novelists with anything more than average skill.

King_Ghidra 01-02-2005 13:58:24

ahhaahhh!!! what?!?! martin amis is a great writer! Money is a terrific book! In writing skill he pisses from a very great height all over pullman.

Funkodrom 01-02-2005 14:11:20

Well I've never read any Martin Amis or Zadie Smith. :lol: I have to say I didn't actually read what she said about each book, just the titles and position.

I just meant that she was right that the books were really good and deserving of a very high position in a list of really good Childrens books.

All my comments should be regarded in that context, not as a comparison with proper literature. (some if which actually isn't tedious if you read it on your own outside school!)

I don't think I've ever made any claim that they were some kind of deep work of literature, just that they were incredibly enjoyable, exciting books with some cool concepts - especially around some of the pseudoscience.


Nills Lagerbaak 01-02-2005 14:14:35

I have to say I agree with KG. I enjoyed Northern lights emmensly for the story, but was left feeling a little baffled by the pseudo science/history rubbish. I will have to read the others to see how it pans out though.
I don't really like Amis, I think he's relies a lot on controversy to sell his books. Zadie Smith however, has to be the finest of authors mentioned. I think she displayed a very profound understanding of a lot of cultures in White Teeth and cleverly put them all in a contemporary setting. The story was however overlong in my opinion.

King_Ghidra 01-02-2005 14:20:46


Originally posted by Nills Lagerbaak

I don't really like Amis, I think he's relies a lot on controversy to sell his books.

examples please

Funkodrom 01-02-2005 14:22:17

He went into a bookshop and said "anyone who buys my book is a cunt"

Nills Lagerbaak 01-02-2005 14:34:01


Actually that was a bit of a wild comment. :o I remember that famous book of his that caused a lot of controversy (london fields?) Everyone was on about it but I started reading it it and thought it was not very good.

WAs a long time ago though

King_Ghidra 01-02-2005 14:34:39

good tactic, i just bought London Fields from amazon :D

apropos x-post too :D

sleeping_satsuma 01-02-2005 21:36:58

so far I'm with K-G, but I remain open minded.

Funkodrom 02-02-2005 16:50:54

Well he said he thoroughly enjoyed it. So that's good at least. :beer:

sleeping_satsuma 02-02-2005 18:38:50

I'm enjoying the detail of the world she's in. Havent figured out the whole Oxford thing yet. I can't help feeling its a bit passionless though. We'll see, I'll have a better idea when I finish it.

Immortal Wombat 03-02-2005 00:05:37

I'm re-reading my vast collection of books by Gerald Durrell at the moment, in memory of the 10th anniversary of his death. (30th Jan) :(

King_Ghidra 14-02-2005 09:37:24

Finished One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez, which is one of the most dazzling, imaginative books i have ever read and that massively exceeded my initial expectations.

Next up, either London Fields or Gravity's Rainbow, not sure which one yet.

BigGameHunter 14-02-2005 16:50:59

When are you going to read the Dictionary, Thesaurus and Bartlett's Familiar Quotations you wanker?

King_Ghidra 14-02-2005 17:06:06

don't get all blue collar on me, i'm trying to drag this forum out of the mire of sci fi geekdom here

Funkodrom 14-02-2005 17:08:23


Why not try counting the number of ants in an anthill.

BigGameHunter 14-02-2005 17:45:57

I'm thinking about reading Hesse's work again. I had a period where I really enjoyed his stuff. He has a very curious style that, while "traditional" evokes a pointed emotional atmosphere.

I really need to read some of the "greats" that I've neglected...but they seem so boring.
Where's a list of the must read classics?

sleeping_satsuma 17-02-2005 11:43:35

how do people read so fast? i'm still only halfway through northern lights. KG must read in a week what i read in a year

Funkodrom 17-02-2005 11:49:00

:eek: How do you read so slowly?

King_Ghidra 17-02-2005 11:50:15

i only read in two situations at the moment:

1) at the train station or on the train (maybe 20 minutes total a day)

2) in the bath (maybe 45 mins a couple of times a week if i need a really relaxing soak)

occasionally i read outside of that to finish a book off

i read at a decent speed, but by comparison with normal books i absolutely whizzed through the his dark materials trilogy

i was surprised by how quickly i made it through one hundred years of solitude, i thought that was going to be quite a chore - but when i read war and peace last year i think that was literally a couple of months if not more

reading on the train is cool because i can work through a book at a gradual but steady pace and still have an opportunity to think about what i'm reading

Funkodrom 17-02-2005 11:53:44

I now have someone on my train who I know and Tetris on my phone - my reading has decreased about 95%.

I sometimes read in bed...

I think I probably tend to read about 100 pages an hour, more if it's an easy book fewer if it's a more in depth one.

zmama 17-02-2005 12:08:06

Yeah I read fast...about like Funko. War and Peace took me two and a half days.

And I really enjoyed it :)

The Bursar 17-02-2005 14:13:53

I read pretty fast, but at the moment I only start reading when I should be asleep, so I don't ever get very far.

Currently reading Bill Bryson's Short History of Everything, which is an entertaining skim through the history of science. It's doing a good job of filling in the gaps which GCSE physics ignored.

King_Ghidra 17-02-2005 14:39:56

heard good things about that, and as a perennial science n00b, perhaps i should read it

Funkodrom 17-02-2005 15:08:09

Yeah, I recommended it to Satsuma the other week. Dunno if she's read it. But I might get a copy anyway.

sleeping_satsuma 17-02-2005 20:27:06

ah funny story- I bought it off amazon, showed it to DH and he said 'I've just unpacked that! Turns out I must have bought it last year, so now I have two copies! Haven't read either of them yet !

you can have one if you want- I'll pop over to reading for a drink after work or something. I've got that other book of yours too that I've had for about a year so I can give it back finally. Never read that either.

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