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Funkodrom 23-01-2008 10:01:13

Free Game of the Week - Flash Element TD 2
 
Just over a year ago Flash Element Tower Defence was launched. 70 million plays later, the creators have quit their jobs and gone full time creating "casual" flash games for people to fill their work days with. Finally the sequel to Flash Element TD is out. You can play it here.

Another game from these creators, the Desktop Tower Defence, was a big favourite on Counterglow when it was game of the week. The difference with DTD was that your towers themselves formed the maze that the creeps ran through. Here, you're stuck with a fixed maze, but the twist is that you have to defend your elements, if the creeps steal them all, you're dead!

Fistandantilus 23-01-2008 11:37:23

:beer:

Scabrous Birdseed 23-01-2008 11:40:10

It was a tad easy I have to say, I beat it on the first go. Very straightforward upgrade options and strategy (basically only three to four towers are ultimately worthwhile).

Still, I do like the idea of a Tower Defense game oriented around points instead of rounds. The Dares and Double Dares make it much more interesting....

Here's another recent Tower Defence clone I've enjoyed:

http://www.onemorelevel.com/game/ant_buster

Funko 23-01-2008 12:42:23

My current top score 90064.

C.G.B. Spender 23-01-2008 12:56:51

But why Funkodrom instead of Funko?

MoSe 23-01-2008 12:57:09

hhhmmmm.... I'm at 27000 level 36 at my first go ever, and I'm already getting bored (and boss frowning)

Funko 23-01-2008 13:40:49

Quote:

Originally posted by C.G.B. Spender
But why Funkodrom instead of Funko?
Funkodrom's set up in the admin area. Apparently I can add new users now so maybe I'll add Funko.

MoSe 23-01-2008 13:42:59

47404
I figure I must learn to spend tokens better... (in DD rather than upping bonus % point multiplier?)

do we have a group?

Funko 23-01-2008 13:43:51

Quote:

Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
It was a tad easy I have to say, I beat it on the first go. Very straightforward upgrade options and strategy (basically only three to four towers are ultimately worthwhile).

Yeah, the basic map is quite easy. The second level (if you register) is much harder, and to get good scores is harder still.

I thought my 90k was good, the best on the leaderboard is 370k odd.

MoSe 23-01-2008 13:45:43

basic or zig-zag?

Funko 23-01-2008 14:06:20

Basic.

C.G.B. Spender 23-01-2008 14:06:54

Fortran.

Funko 23-01-2008 14:08:48

If anyone else is registering we (or they) could create a Counterglow group. I think I've created the 2 groups I'm allowed.

Funko 23-01-2008 14:52:34

Map 2 (Zig Zag) the record is 625,000. I haven't completed it yet after 3 goes.

It's not just a harder map, you also get harder creeps.

MoSe 23-01-2008 16:37:13

basic, 2nd try 74771

MoSe 23-01-2008 16:47:45

Quote:

Originally posted by Funko
If anyone else is registering we (or they) could create a Counterglow group. I think I've created the 2 groups I'm allowed.
Some "Birdseed" guy already did it, around lunchtime, whithout giving notice...

:p

I joined now, we're in two

Scabrous Birdseed 23-01-2008 20:27:56

I'll give map two a go I think. :D

Scabrous Birdseed 23-01-2008 21:03:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Funko
Map 2 (Zig Zag) the record is 625,000. I haven't completed it yet after 3 goes.

It's not just a harder map, you also get harder creeps.

And more of them! I was so mad when level 49 failed to give me any tokens, it said "every 7 levels" right?

Funko 24-01-2008 09:07:22

Yep. I think that caught me out. I desperately needed a return elements token.

I'm in the group.

Funko 24-01-2008 09:09:51

Woo! I've got the top scores in every category there are any scores. :beer: Go me.

Fistandantilus 24-01-2008 10:10:28

Not anymore :p

Funko 24-01-2008 10:51:18

Ah, I stopped playing that level. I'll have to have another go. :D

Funko 24-01-2008 17:02:51

That was quite hard.

MoSe 25-01-2008 11:29:25

"WAKEY WAKEY" ????

:lol:

Fistandantilus 25-01-2008 11:44:38

I need a detailed study about tower experience.
Is it worth it? Is it just me or selling and rebuying towers sounds much better?

Funko 25-01-2008 11:49:19

I need a detailed study about whether it's better to do 3 Double Dares 8000 points each, but spend the money vs having an extra bonus multiplier and saving money.

Fistandantilus 25-01-2008 12:37:42

And, what about double daring bosses and build no towers?

+ money/points from saving money (can be a lot if your multiplier is high and you are in the late stages of the game so rebuying everything is a lot of cash)
+ 8k points
- 1 elemental (= 5 tokens)
- bounty you would get from killing the boss

Funko 25-01-2008 13:31:27

BTW. I'm back on top

MoSe 25-01-2008 13:39:23

get a room!

MDA 25-01-2008 13:45:43

is there an end to the registered level? I get to the low 50's and crap out- I end up returning elements the last 15-20 levels.

I like chain guns and slow towers - the splash towers seem ok for reds, and I don't think there's any way to have enough sniper towers to handle the invisible guys, they just fire too slow. I don't seem to even build fire towers.

Funko 25-01-2008 13:49:55

You can handle the invisible guys if you have enough normal firepower to take them out in the times they are visible.

I've got to the end of the second map, I think there are 59 levels.

The secret really is that you need to build up a stack of cash so that you can get the interest payments filling your coffers. This can be faster than you can make money from killing creeps.

Funko 25-01-2008 13:50:35

BTW, that ant buster game link doesn't work. :(

MoSe 25-01-2008 14:00:40

Quote:

Originally posted by Funko
You can handle the invisible guys if you have enough normal firepower to take them out in the times they are visible.
in the basic map, after the first two experimental games I managed indeed to complete it 3 or 4 times without even ever getting a yellow token

Funko 25-01-2008 14:02:41

Yep. Definitely doable. No red or yellow token is 10 points to spend on something else.

MoSe 25-01-2008 14:31:51

Quote:

Originally posted by Fistandantilus
I need a detailed study about tower experience.
Is it worth it? Is it just me or selling and rebuying towers sounds much better?

I realised that selling price is exactly the sum you spent to buy the levels you got.
But if you sell during a round, you get 20% less.

It's true that once you top a tower exp, any further kills give no extra power.
But if you sell it and rebuild it the same level, you'll be even on money, and will have to rebuild the exp....

:confused:

Fistandantilus 25-01-2008 14:48:49

Yup. But you can select better towers for the incoming wave...

Selling towers is definitely a must after a DD (if you use that strategy) because otherwise it's overkill and you earn very little from savings.

So far, it doesn't seem to me exping towers is worth much, but I can be (and probably am) wrong.

MoSe 25-01-2008 14:52:41

Besides, the tips advise to upgrade a tower rather than buying new ones.
But:

Code:

        $        dmg        +d/$
                       
Green        15        22        1,47
M1        12        37        1,25
M2        19        61        1,26
M3        31        101        1,29
M4        51        170        1,35

you get LESS bang for the bucks, incrementally at each upgrade!
You get a range increase as trade-off.

but you you buy 8 basic greens, without upgrading, placing them in two opposite rows of 4 on the sides of the lane:
$ 15*8=120 dmg 22*8=176
one M4 green costs $128 and fires dmg 170
The overlap and spread of the 8 range 50 towers somehow compensate the single range 70 M4.
With exp, the difference in range gets relartively less effective too.
The major down with 8 towers is that you'd need 8 times the kills to up the exp for all of them!

I'll try to analyse the other elements too, and the MK2 towers

Fistandantilus 25-01-2008 15:00:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Funko
BTW, that ant buster game link doesn't work. :(
Strange it did work for me a couple of days ago.

It's quite good, lots of towers and different upgrade paths.
Problem is, imo, the ant movement is somewhat random, sometimes they wander around with no reason and happy to be shoot, sometimes they all simultaneously run to a 'weak spot'.

This 'luck' factor annoys me to no end :p

MoSe 25-01-2008 15:08:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Fistandantilus
Selling towers is definitely a must after a DD (if you use that strategy) because otherwise it's overkill and you earn very little from savings.
Ah, yeah, I got it right before submitting one of the stupidest posts I was about to post!

:cute:

well, let's say that so far I still have to get a real grasp on DD
so far I only used it for the 8k points, letting go almost all the creeps managing to barely kill those about to steal the marbles..... that is, losing out on the kills bounty and points

that is to say, I have just a minor overkill after a DD level

Poll:
WHICH creeps do you dare to DD, and which (if any) you consided unDDable?

MDA 25-01-2008 15:27:04

gray and red seem to be easy for me to DD, and the yellows if you can slow them down

I'm actually starting to like the red towers for this reason

Funko 25-01-2008 15:56:21

You don't get any interest if you sell all your towers and let the boss through undamaged.

Funko 25-01-2008 15:57:25

Range increase is a big deal. You get more shoots in on the target.

Scabrous Birdseed 25-01-2008 17:49:29

I just got a new top score by ignoring all the "money" and "interest" issues and pressing in as many double dares as I, er, dared. Tip: even if you die you get 8000 extra points for a double dare, so you there's no point in not having one on the final boss.

Kitsuki 26-01-2008 14:29:35

Woohoo - I'm the daddy of map 1!

Still working on map 2...

Kitsuki 26-01-2008 15:14:48

I'm winning 2 also now. :D

I am on the front page of the overall top scores for map 2 with 120k. God knows how somebody got 600k!

Funko 28-01-2008 08:59:43

Damn, I'm going to have to put some time in today. :D

Funko 28-01-2008 10:30:18

Ok that's much better. 170k on the first map.

Kitsuki 28-01-2008 10:31:50

19k more to go to beat me... :P

Funko 28-01-2008 10:34:16

Yeah, but that was a 40% score improvement in 1 go!

Kitsuki 28-01-2008 10:34:40

:)

Funko 28-01-2008 13:46:11

OK I went through and added everyone to my collective.

Fistandantilus 28-01-2008 14:13:51

I don't know what that means but it doesn't sound very nice, you damn Borg.

Funko 28-01-2008 14:25:32

It's basically adding you to my friends list.

If you go to the group, you can see everyone who's a member. Click on them to see their profile and click to add to your collective.

Kitsuki 28-01-2008 14:52:54

I have added everyone too.

MDA 28-01-2008 16:02:49

ah, didn't realize that wasn't automatic

MDA 28-01-2008 16:05:06

The first tower game there his pretty difficult in comparison. I only got as far as the UB Pro level, somewhere in the mid 30's.

I quit with the dares and actually used as many tokens as possible to pump my interest rate on the first map and finally broke 100k in the newer game.

Funko 28-01-2008 16:15:23

On the developers blog they said they thought making the basic level of this game so easy was a mistake.

http://novelconcepts.wordpress.com/2...s-in-the-wild/

MoSe 28-01-2008 16:19:00

Quote:

Originally posted by MDA
I quit with the dares and actually used as many tokens as possible to pump my interest rate on the first map and finally broke 100k in the newer game.
LOL, I went for multiplier at first without ever daring to dare.
Only in my last game I grew partially confident enough to dare, and only then I managed to (barely) break 100k
:D
Tell me where I get it wrong:

+1 multiplier = 6 tokens = 3*2tk = 3 DD = 3*8k = 24kpoints

this means that to equalise the effect of 3 DD you should earn 24000$ interest in the remaining rounds...

Indeed, the interest rate stays fixed at 6%
The Multiplier tells how many points you get for each $ you got in interest

Cumulative Capital * 6% = 24k
Cumulative Capital = 400k

Even imagining that you renounce to blue towers between lev 8 and 14, you'd have 43 levels to sum up after the first boss (i.e. first available tokens): this makes an AVERAGE capital of 10k (!!!) over the rest of the game, to make up for choosing +1Multiplier instead of 3 DD....

Of course, you have to SURVIVE DDs....

MoSe 28-01-2008 16:28:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Funko
On the developers blog they said they thought making the basic level of this game so easy was a mistake.
a mistake because they underestimated the # of visitors who were contented to beat the game (i.e. complete 50 levels) and wouldn't come back just to increase their score.

It wasn't instead a mistake for CG, as indeed almost all of us went back several times to increase our score

Funko 28-01-2008 16:34:02

And you also have to save money to get interest so you can buy good enough towers to survive the later levels. (at least on map 2 you do).

MoSe 28-01-2008 16:39:02

even when I went for maximise savings and upping multiplier as I could, I barely managed to reach 9k$ occasionally, then I had indeed to spend a few to survive, don't even mention keeping a 10k$ average

Funko 28-01-2008 17:02:09

Yeah... maintaining 8k is about the best I've managed for multiple levels, and that takes a long time to build up to.

Fistandantilus 28-01-2008 18:32:05

Quote:

Originally posted by MoSe
a mistake because they underestimated the # of visitors who were contented to beat the game (i.e. complete 50 levels) and wouldn't come back just to increase their score.

It wasn't instead a mistake for CG, as indeed almost all of us went back several times to increase our score

That is because we have a group of people who plays. The casual gamers don't care about getting a top score vs mr. unknown but we all know the shame of scoring less than Funko is something a CG member cannot bear :p

Kitsuki 28-01-2008 21:37:38

Quote:

Originally posted by Funko
And you also have to save money to get interest so you can buy good enough towers to survive the later levels. (at least on map 2 you do).
True, but score wise you are better off just burning out before completion. My scores are pretty high, but I haven't completed map 2...

Kitsuki 28-01-2008 21:41:53

PS - stop sneaking up on my score on map 1 Funko!

Funko 29-01-2008 09:15:30

Quote:

Originally posted by MoSe
It wasn't instead a mistake for CG, as indeed almost all of us went back several times to increase our score
Yeah, but even then Scabby's first reaction was "that was too easy".

I found it easy and moved onto level 2, but I was already registered so that was ok for me.

Kitsuki: I nearly beat my score on level 2 and I died after about 30 levels.

MoSe 29-01-2008 11:36:54

On map1 I still just died DDing groupers on lev 43...

MoSe 29-01-2008 17:35:59

PPHHHHHTTT!!!!!

FIRST ATTEMPT on map 2
97,773
lost on level 53 or 55 or something (resistors?)

I was SURPRISED when at level 50 I only had 3 tokens left.
As if I didn't get my 10 after killing lev49 Boss!
Is it possible that you get your last tokens at lev42, and then nothing till 58-59???????
I'd have kept a few more for later....

So, I'm a dork on easy map1 so that I'm last and only with great effort I manage to tailgate the group
But on harder map2 at first attempt I beat Funko who I understand played it several times???


:lol:

Kitsuki 29-01-2008 19:10:35

There are no tokens after 42 until the end - so you have to be VERY economical - either DDing and burning out early, or clinging on and returning tokens.

Funko 30-01-2008 11:37:27

OK I got 110k on map 2. 129k looks like a very good score indeed.

Funko 31-01-2008 15:35:59

3K behind you on map1. Into the top 100 (out of well over a million plays). :beer:

Scabrous Birdseed 31-01-2008 15:56:12

Quote:

Originally posted by MoSe

As if I didn't get my 10 after killing lev49 Boss!
Is it possible that you get your last tokens at lev42, and then nothing till 58-59???????

Yeah, you're very clearly not the only one caught out by this badly-written game instruction.

Funko 31-01-2008 15:58:51

195k :beer:

Kitsuki 31-01-2008 16:04:43

Mofo.

I will get to work beating that tonight once I have finished committees. :P

Funko 31-01-2008 16:28:59

I want to break 200k tomorrow.

For anyone else struggling: Splinter towers ftw.

MoSe 31-01-2008 16:50:39

ftw?

I never use them

MoSe 31-01-2008 16:54:16

Oh, wait, splinter, not Sniper
:o
splinter are the big fire ones, are they?

it's a big investment
I tried a few, but didn't figure out how much they actually helped
2 thereof all upped didn't save me against DD Resistors in the end game on map 1

Funko 31-01-2008 16:58:32

It's the midgame when they rule.

If you put one (unupgraded) at the beginning of the map after the 2nd boss you can DD a hell of a lot.

MDA 01-02-2008 12:22:14

I've been using the green and one cheap pink splash as long as I can, then adding an expensive pink splash, then picking up water towers, then picking up a chain gun - and I usually end the easy map with a fully upgraded splash tower and 4 or 5 upgraded chain guns. I stopped even using tokens for red and yellow.

Funko 01-02-2008 12:49:11

I get a red token after boss 2, and a yellow token after the second to last boss.

I don't bother with blues anymore.

MoSe 01-02-2008 12:50:13

Quote:

Originally posted by MDA
I stopped even using tokens for red and yellow.
except as chaff marbles?
:D

MoSe 01-02-2008 12:57:32

Quote:

Originally posted by Funko
I don't bother with blues anymore.
:eek:

I can't imagins how I could survive without.

As you said, range is important because the same tower can land in more shots when the critter is in the extra range.

The same, slowing the critters allows them to linger much longer under a tower's fire, for a similar and even greater effect.

I verified that the slowing effects by basic blues are cumulative, so that just two facing fully upped and exped thereof can stop some critters and make them backtrack, just like a much more expensive Glue Tower

Funko 01-02-2008 12:59:57

I only use Reds + Greens for most levels

the occasional big purple for the red creeps.

I also find I'm selling the majority of my towers between levels.

Splinter towers are the way forward. Seriously. They kick arse. (but remember they can take creeps down to 1 hit point, but not kill them).

Funko 01-02-2008 13:01:55

Blues cancel out fire and fire cancels out slow, so there's no point combining them.

Funko 01-02-2008 13:05:13

Sorry, that's not strictly correct. That only applies to the low level fire and slow towers. I believe the glue and splinter towers don't cancel each other out... need to verify...

Funko 01-02-2008 13:10:41

btw, in options, you can turn on gibbets mode and the creeps explode when they die. :lol:

MoSe 01-02-2008 13:17:17

meh, they just break apart like pots, and it's less visually evident when they die

Funko 01-02-2008 16:25:28

Let me just say this about a splinter tower

4800 dps when fully upgraded, for 3.8 seconds (which is almost the time it takes a creep to travel the full length of the level on the second map)

and it can be doing that amount of damage on every creep in the level. That's 20*4800 damage per second.

The purple tower upgraded does 1800 dps + splash.

MDA 01-02-2008 16:35:36

I guess it does enough damage even the resist creeps go down.

Funko 01-02-2008 16:44:24

they are a bitch, but they are slow, I tend to only Dare them, or sell my splinters and buy gattling guns to take them down.

Kitsuki 02-02-2008 01:20:31

Quote:

Originally posted by Funko

I also find I'm selling the majority of my towers between levels.

That is the simple key to the game - you need to replace each level. :)

MDA 03-02-2008 01:09:16

ha, I hadn't realized they sell full price between levels - you'd only lose the experience, which isn't much - 5y range or splash per point

MoSe 04-02-2008 09:25:31

sorry but I keep missing the point
Selling between levels doesn't help your interest earning nor points, as those are tallied as a level ends

That only would help if on next level you'd need less and/or cheaper towers than the level before.

as Fist said, if you spend all your money in towers to survive a DD level and get the 8k points, but then don't dare the next one, you can sell the excess towers as you can survive with less on a not-DD, and capitalize on the money.


Barring the above:
"Replace each level"
????
what for???????

I sell an all-upped arrow tower: I get back 128$
I replace it with an all-upped arrow tower: I spend the same money.
Result: I have the same money as if I hadn't done nothing, and I lost the experience.

alternative: replace oblsolete with more powerful ones
I replace 3 or 4 all-upped arrows
I can spend 384 or 512
This grants me one Chain or Jet tower, entry level
I haven't the tables offhand, but I doubt the trade gives you any advantage
or I replace 6 all-upped arrows for an entry level Splinter
Worth considering once in a while... but...

"EACH level" ???????????????????????

Kitsuki 04-02-2008 10:01:28

As in to better tailor it for the next level. You keep your gold if you are selling between levels, you only lose experience, which has a minimal effect. You need to place the right towers for each kind of threat.

I only have a few cannon towers on corners that I keep throughout the game for their experience. Most others are sold in between every level.

Funko 04-02-2008 10:04:37

Quote:

Originally posted by MoSe
That only would help if on next level you'd need less and/or cheaper towers than the level before.
and/or a different mix of towers to deal with different creeps which have different strenghts.

It doesn't make sense selling a tower if you want one of the same type in the same place for the next level, of course not.

Funko 05-02-2008 12:13:26

198k. Bah.

Kitsuki 07-02-2008 20:53:59

209k - back on top of most maps! :D

Funko 08-02-2008 08:48:20

Most = 2?

You motherfucker. I'm going to have to play again now.

Kitsuki 08-02-2008 13:43:24

That should have been both. :)

It took me about 20 shots to beat your score....

Funko 08-02-2008 13:58:11

Did you change strategy at all?


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