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*End Is Forever* 27-05-2004 23:12:14

How To Devalue An Award: A Recent Example
 
Darkness awarded Novello Prize

Scabrous Birdseed 27-05-2004 23:38:32

Yes, the high-value Novello award where

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Will Young's Leave Right Now was named best song musically and lyrically, while Amy Winehouse's Stronger Than Me was judged best contemporary song.
and

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Dido's White Flag, co-written with Rollo Armstrong and Rick Nowels, was international hit of the year

King_Ghidra 28-05-2004 08:25:58

does anyone give a shit about this or any other award?

music awards are so for people who don't like music

'oh, look at this one ethel, it says here they won the mercury music prize!'
'oh, eric, i'm sure young philip will like that one!'

Funkodrom 28-05-2004 08:46:06

Actually the Mercury is probably the exception. Always an interesting shortlist. The list of winners is a list of really good albums. Got about half of them and the ones I own are all really good.

Winners
1992 *Primal Scream ~ Screamadelica
1993 *Suede ~ Suede
1994 *M People ~ Elegant slumming
1995 *Portishead ~ Dummy
1996 *Pulp ~ Different class
1997 *Roni Size/Reprazent ~ New forms
1998 *Gomez ~ Bring it on
1999 *Talvin Singh ~ OK
2000 *Badly Drawn Boy ~ The hour of bewilderbeast
2001 *P.J. Harvey - Stories from the city, stories from the sea
2002 *Ms Dynamite - A little deeper
2003 *Dizzee Rascal - Boy in da corner

King_Ghidra 28-05-2004 09:36:36

yeah but mike, there are very few surprises on the mercury shortlist to anyone who is interested in music. You may have bought a dizzee rascal album that otherwise you wouldn't have, but it's not like there are any great secrets there for the most part.

Yes some good albums have won the prize, so what? All of these albums were massively successful and well-known well before mercury bestowed their dubious honour upon them.

Music awards period are just a waste of time. Back-slapping is the most meaningless and embarassing exercise the entertainment industry indulges in.

Funkodrom 28-05-2004 09:45:00

Oh of course. What I meant was that if someone bought you something 'cause it won the Mercury you'd probably end up with a good album. :D

King_Ghidra 28-05-2004 10:10:37

fair point

one M-People album coming up :D

Resource Consumer 28-05-2004 11:01:35

it solves the issue of what to get Funko for Christmas (apart from nothing that is );)

Funkodrom 28-05-2004 11:09:28

M People aren't the kind of thing I normally listen to but are good.

King_Ghidra 28-05-2004 12:08:55

:eek: the fuck are they!

those shitholes were the bane of my life during the mid-nineties

and do you remember that car advert that used one of their songs? probably the most mawkish, insincere, horseshit commerical ever

Funkodrom 28-05-2004 12:11:47

I just looked them up and realised I totally thought they were actually someone else.

:nervous:

Scabrous Birdseed 28-05-2004 12:54:14

I'm afraid I'll have to kill this entire line of inquiry.

Resource Consumer 28-05-2004 12:56:56

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Originally posted by Funkodrom
M People aren't the kind of thing I normally listen to but are good.
It is the sort of thing w should all have in our signatures

Funkodrom 28-05-2004 14:45:02

Butthead.

Scabrous Birdseed 28-05-2004 14:53:44

Oh yes. Then there'll be no doubt.

Funkodrom 28-05-2004 14:54:33

Scabby loves No Doubt.

Scabrous Birdseed 28-05-2004 14:57:49

I've got a very compelling reason why you should all think M People sucks.

Funkodrom 28-05-2004 14:59:17

You like them?

Scabrous Birdseed 28-05-2004 15:19:36

100-0

Funkodrom 28-05-2004 15:22:17

No. That certainly wasn't a well known fact. I thought I was making a cheap joke.

Scabrous Birdseed 28-05-2004 15:26:44

"Scabby likes it therefore we muct all dislike it" is a cliché.

Funkodrom 28-05-2004 15:44:39

A cliche isn't a 100-0.

Scabrous Birdseed 28-05-2004 16:03:27

Yes it is. It's "the obvious answer".

Funkodrom 28-05-2004 16:06:46

You've misunderstood the concept of 100-0 then.

Scabby posts link to a track saying - Listen to this M People track
I say "who's it by?"
You say "M people"
I say "100-0"

If you'd said earlier in the thread "I love M People" or your user name was "Huge M People" fan or you were constantly talking about how much you loved M fucking People then it'd be a 100-0.

Scabrous Birdseed 28-05-2004 16:09:44

You knew I knew you were gonna post that. That's all that matters.

Funkodrom 28-05-2004 16:10:51

I didn't. I thought I was being witty. :lol:

protein 28-05-2004 16:38:49

How come you keep changing the rules to this 100-0 thing? They seem to change all the time. After I got you good and proper asking about the rules, you changed the rules so that you can't get people if you ask about the rules. It's hard to follow.

Lazarus and the Gimp 28-05-2004 16:52:06

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Originally posted by King_Ghidra
yeah but mike, there are very few surprises on the mercury shortlist to anyone who is interested in music. You may have bought a dizzee rascal album that otherwise you wouldn't have, but it's not like there are any great secrets there for the most part.

Yes some good albums have won the prize, so what? All of these albums were massively successful and well-known well before mercury bestowed their dubious honour upon them.

What a load of crap. I can usually guarantee that the Mercury shortlist has at least one artist on it that I've never heard of, and I think I read more music press than the average bear.

What's more, Talvin Singh and Roni Size were light years away from being household names before they won.

King_Ghidra@home 28-05-2004 17:12:55

ok, let me rephrase:

there are very few surprises in the mercury awards winners - the shortlist is composed of some famous indie type acts (winners usually selected from this list) and some people no one has ever heard of to pad out the list.

maybe they've decided to change their routine recently and focus on 'urban' music, obviously UK indie is out of fashion

and roni size may not have been a household name (not that i claimed he was...) but the jungle scene had been around for several years before the charts woke up to it - anyone who listened to radio 1's jungle show on a friday night or ventured into a club would have been hard pressed to avoid it

Lazarus and the Gimp 28-05-2004 20:01:33

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Originally posted by King_Ghidra@home

and roni size may not have been a household name (not that i claimed he was...) but the jungle scene had been around for several years before the charts woke up to it - anyone who listened to radio 1's jungle show on a friday night or ventured into a club would have been hard pressed to avoid it

It'll be an arse if one of the classical selections wins, in that case. The radio's been playing that stuff for about 80 years.

Koshko 28-05-2004 21:35:41

Oh you wacky Brits.

King_Ghidra@home 29-05-2004 09:50:29

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Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
It'll be an arse if one of the classical selections wins, in that case. The radio's been playing that stuff for about 80 years.
:rolleyes:

roni size was part of the jungle scene since it started - several singles and remixes appeared well before the album

smartarse

Lazarus and the Gimp 29-05-2004 10:57:57

So how does that devalue his award? Or Talvin Singh's?

King_Ghidra@home 29-05-2004 17:04:38

what?

you claimed that roni size was not famous before he won the mercury music prize - i am telling you he was

Lazarus and the Gimp 29-05-2004 19:26:08

Hardly. It's worth remembering that he won it over Radiohead and Blur, so accusations of safe choices look more than a little suspect.

King_Ghidra@home 29-05-2004 21:05:03

i don't recall saying they made safe choices, i said: 'the shortlist is composed of some famous indie type acts (winners usually selected from this list)[...]'
The winners list speaks for itself, the exceptions don't disprove the theory.

i'm not sure where you're going with your questions - do you want me to say that i think the mercury prize is absolutely brilliant , helps promote all kinds of good music and is a thoroughly deserved pat on the back for talented artists? It's not going to happen. I think the award and all of the awards of it's ilk are a total waste of time.

Lazarus and the Gimp 30-05-2004 09:14:13

No- just pointing out that your claim that all Mercury award winning albums were massively successful before winning is dodgy.

The thing is- most really great albums do tend to end up being successful. If the Mercury award went purely out to find "undicovered treasures" and stuck deliberately to obscure acts it would just end up a dry and irrelevant exercise in muso snobbery. As it is, when you get artists like Gavin Bryers on the shortlists and P J Harvey and Talvin Singh winning it, I don't get the impression that they're playing safe. I think it's an interesting mix.

Funkodrom 01-06-2004 13:51:54

It's the only one I really pay attention to.


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