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Darkstar 25-06-2003 21:22:08

RIAA to sue P2P users that share their songs
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Starting in August of 2003, the RIAA will begin to sue all public P2P users that "expose" any of their member's copyrighted material. They are also going for a full court press to teach people to always buy their songs from a legitimate source, and therefore keep the RIAA and its members deeply in the green so that they can continue sueing all those who do not legally buy their products. Expect to hear from lots of artists saying "Please don't make me and my children starve because you stole my music instead of buying it!".

Scabrous Birdseed 25-06-2003 21:39:27

"in the green"? :rolleyes:

Is this a common misunderstanding of the term "in the red" or is it just this writer being a particular idiot?

Darkstar 25-06-2003 23:16:37

Just being a Darkstar idiot. "in the green" is local slang for having pockets overflowing in green cash, and very deep reserves to fill them back up with if needed.

Darkstar 25-06-2003 23:17:44

And it's "in the black" for profit, and "in the red" for debt, in these parts in business-ese, Birdseed.

Scabrous Birdseed 26-06-2003 08:34:56


Originally posted by Darkstar
And it's "in the black" for profit, and "in the red" for debt, in these parts in business-ese, Birdseed.
Yes, that's what I meant. A writer might easily not have heard of the former and associated the latter with traffic lights or something.

Should have figured it had something to do with your funny-looking monochrome money though.

No longer Trippin 08-07-2003 05:36:53

That's why they have P2P software being released that hides your IP, even the program doesn't know where it is (don't exactly know how they are doing it, but I'm not a network tech or programmer), so the RIAA can't reverse engineer it (and pay the fine) and start screwing more people.

Darkstar 08-07-2003 07:10:43

If the RIAA actually get their way and make all ISP/POS (Point of service) providers have to keep a LOG of all your incoming and outgoing data streams for 7 years CONTINIOUSLY, and which is provided to ALL copyright holders by them just asking... AND at the same time of monitoring every packet you send to see if it is a registered copy-right material... to report you in real time of breaking any copy-right...

Keep in mind that all the security concerns ( DoD, CIA, NSA ) and law enforcement authorities (FBI, Tob and Firearms, NYPD, etc) support this. So they can monitor everything in real time, and look back at what you've been doing in the past. That's the danger... not very strong or realistic at this time, but the more Big Brother and Little Brother team up on the demands that you cannot be trusted and must be patrolled constantly... that unholy union needs to be guarded against.

No worries...

No longer Trippin 08-07-2003 07:23:58

Yeah, it's great to have celebrated the 4th knowing that what we're celebrating we are slowing losing. Seems the whole US is ignorant to it.

"If one gives up one's liberty for security, then they are neither free or secure."

Darkstar 08-07-2003 08:27:14


Sean 08-07-2003 11:45:03


Originally posted by No longer Trippin
"If one gives up one's liberty for security, then they are neither free or secure."
Sigh…that’s essential liberty.

Provost Harrison 08-07-2003 21:13:58

The RIAA would install a dictatorship if they had the chance...they are just a desperate bunch of people trying to hang on to their power and money by whatever authoritarian means they can conceive...sadly, they have considerable power in the west, especially the plutocratic US...

...I am glad to hear about P2P software that hides your IP :D

Sir Penguin 08-07-2003 22:00:01

The great thing is that when America's totalitarian regime grinds into the dirt everybody who uses, has used, and will use P2P software, it may be morally right to share music!


Darkstar 08-07-2003 22:23:18

Sean, I've never seen the Benjamin Franklin quote use the word "essential". Some other source quoting a similar remark, I wouldn't know...

zmama 09-07-2003 10:13:30

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

Sean 09-07-2003 15:08:27

Thank you, zmama.

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