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Funkodrom
15-12-2002, 09:46:32
http://www.counterglow.com/article.php?id=lwp3_4

Funkodrom
15-12-2002, 09:49:25
Absolutely no idea what Scabby means in either his comments about track 3 or his editors note. Good work.

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-12-2002, 10:22:41
I love Scab's commentary on track 8. You see, I objected to the prevalence of monotone punk tracks going "Chugga-chugga-chugga-chugga", and yet I'm supposed to welcome a monotone rap track going "Flubba-lubba-lubba-lubba" as some sort of Damascene blinding light of revelation.

Nope. Same unimaginative detritus- different genre.

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-12-2002, 10:24:21
Bursar- that track was sensational. I'm going to have to buy the album. I prefer Scabby's "Accounting and Wizardry" lyrics, however.

Provost Harrison
15-12-2002, 10:50:16
I agree, I preferred Snappy's translation :lol:

Well yes, an interesting lot...let's see what the next few tracks are going to be like.

Scabrous Birdseed
15-12-2002, 12:09:25
Lemme comment on the track comments first before commenting on the posts above.

Posterboy! I'll say the same as Mike said earlier, congrats for finding a Hamell on Trial track I didn't instantly hate. I've seen tapes of the live show and it's among the most horrid things I've ever seen on TV, extremely tedious rambling madman with an acoustic guitar, iech.

Laz! Yeah, good jarring backings can enhance a song. This isn't one. They've simply replaced one nice harmonious backing with another, one that's even more boring, in a totally pointless way.

Scabrous Birdseed
15-12-2002, 12:18:40
Funko! Sorry, "ironic" is probably the worst insult you can throw at music as far as I'm concerned. The Talking Heads cleverly played with their own image, suggesting irony while at the same time making good, earnest music with a real respect for their antecedents. If you liked this guy's delivery you really need to borrow someone's copy of Talking Heads '77...

Laz! What "Flubba-Lubba-Lubba-Lubba"? As far as I'm aware the backing goes "Duuut Duut (space) dut dut Duut Duut (space) deet dut" and "Deet deet, deet deet, diit deet (long uneven space) deet deet deet deet deet!", which even if you except the complex patterns of handclaps and the unharmonious, rhythmically jarring (you might wanna look these terms up) indian-sounding faux-sitar bit in the chorus is entirely unlike any other rhythmical structure I've heard before. As is the vast majority of rhythmical structures in most modern hip-hop and Dancehall, so I have absolutely no clue as to what you're on about.

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-12-2002, 12:32:05
The vocals. Just chant "Flubba-lubba-lubba-lubba" in a gruff monotone and they fit beautifully.

Debaser
15-12-2002, 12:32:41
Good article.

So essentially we're all agreed that my Shuggie Otis track was the best of the bunch. Thanks.

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-12-2002, 12:32:51
In fact, they enhance the song no end.

The Shaker
15-12-2002, 12:37:23
We could help out Bounty Killer feat. Wayne Marshall by suggesting words that they could rhyme with “Sufferah”.
Honestly, I was quite shocked when that turned out to be the title of the song. My original comments were going to compare the track to 2-Unlimited in terms of creative genius.

Scabrous Birdseed
15-12-2002, 12:50:43
You'll probably like it even less when you hear that the only creative input of the two gentlemen above was the vocals, since the rest forms part of a "riddim", a pre-produced, oft-reused backing track.

I think it's one of the more credible and diverting attempts at creating a coherent song structure around what it one of the trickier (though better) riddims of the year. The chorus layers extremely nicely with the aforementioned Sitar bit, and although it's not one of Bounty's most complex toasting efforts, I think it manages to build up nicely and convey the theme of the song well.

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-12-2002, 12:57:12
Seeing as I couldn't work out what the Dickens he was saying, I was reduced to judging the vocals on their harmonic and rhythmic qualities, and (to be blunt) once you've heard one line, you've heard them all.

So we have...

1- A lifted backing track
2- A vocal that appears to have been thought up in about half a minute that included no bursts of genius.

So unless the lyrics are on a par with "The Waste Land", the song was never likely to have much appeal to me.

Scabrous Birdseed
15-12-2002, 13:48:20
No, no, you've misunderstood, the backing track isn't lifted, it's made precisely for this purpose.

I think the vocals are reasonably varied, only the final "sufferah" on each line makes them resemble each other. Bounty is quite simply the most skillfull conventional Deejay as far as I'm concerned, very able at keeping the rhythm exact and reasonably complex. He doesn't have the feel of, say, Sizzla, but as a texture-machine he works perfectly. And the lyrics aren't awful, not excellent but certainly fine. It works best purely as a party track in my opinion, with an excellent chorus and very followable lyrics in terms of dance movements.

In case you're interested here are the actual lyrics.

Born as a sufferer
Grow up as a sufferer
Struggle as a sufferer
Fi make it as a sufferer
Fight as a sufferer
Survive as a sufferer
The youth them in a di ghetto
well most a dem a sufferer
Nuff time all police tek weh dem rights
'Cause dem a sufferer
Mi no see no one a vindicate fi all di sufferer
Dem pressuring the sufferer
Mi a tell you mi a prime minister
For all di sufferer
Unno in a parliament do
something for the sufferer
Unno heads a government provide
for all di sufferer
Food for the sufferer
Shelter for the sufferer
Build some better schools,
some training centre for the sufferer
Polictians tek the gun and give it to the sufferer
Sufferer tek the gun and go shoot another sufferer
Who full up the prison, you nuh see a pare sufferer
Who full up the mad house and hospital a pare sufferer
Mamma she a sufferer, Pap him a sufferer
Cyan mek mi children them grow-up come tun sufferer

Almost sorry and sad to say
You can't stop me not today
I've been working to get my pay
Ma pay, ma pay, someway
(repeat)

Tell the metropolitian the higgler them a sufferer
Use to big a Africa but down yah we a sufferer
Tek the silver, tek the gold
and keep we as the sufferer
Di rich is getting richer while
Them keep wi as the sufferer
Mek whole heap a religion
to have wi as di sufferer
Who call God the most
you nuh see say a di sufferer
Cyaan stop di sufferer
Hard working sufferer

The system design to keep di people as sufferer
Why di politcian dem depriving all di sufferer
Striving sufferer, surviving sufferer
Youth dem inna di ghetto, some ambitious sufferer
Some waan wi turn in a Robin Hood
and go fah, fi di sufferer

Scabrous Birdseed
15-12-2002, 13:52:11
Oh, and Iain: That wasn't even remotely caribbean that other track. Willy DeVille is spanish-american.

And I assume that by "unrefined" you mean "not pushed through the standardising format needed for european/american commercial radio", which is true. This is Dancehall without the gloss.

protein
15-12-2002, 14:10:53
Riddim?

Scabrous Birdseed
15-12-2002, 14:32:09
As explained above. A backing track of instrumental or synthesised sounds produced specifically to be used by multiple recording artists, each of whom pays a licence fee for its use. Recent popular riddims include Liquid and Martial Arts, each used for upwards of forty completely different songs.

PosterBoy
15-12-2002, 15:19:07
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
Lemme comment on the track comments first before commenting on the posts above.

Posterboy! I'll say the same as Mike said earlier, congrats for finding a Hamell on Trial track I didn't instantly hate. I've seen tapes of the live show and it's among the most horrid things I've ever seen on TV, extremely tedious rambling madman with an acoustic guitar, iech.

Laz! Yeah, good jarring backings can enhance a song. This isn't one. They've simply replaced one nice harmonious backing with another, one that's even more boring, in a totally pointless way.

I think he's great, I think he's a breath of fresh air to acoustic music. Coming from the point of view of an acoustic guitarist ( me) he gives me a completely different look on song writing and what a solo act can achieve.

Provost Harrison
15-12-2002, 15:28:44
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
In fact, they enhance the song no end.


....especially when you can't hear the original song if you make the flubba lubba's loud enough :p

Debaser
15-12-2002, 15:58:21
*EiF*'s Finch track is probably my favourite from this selection, and thanks to the wonders of peer2peer Mp3 sharing I know own the whole album. Woo!

Funkodrom
15-12-2002, 17:13:23
And they sound identical to Jimmy Eat World.

Debaser
15-12-2002, 17:18:34
Exactly like Jimmy Eat World but without the pussy acoustic songs and with more RAWK!!! bits.

When I get those CDs off you I'll do you a copy if you want Mikey.

The Shaker
15-12-2002, 18:48:44
He'll hate it, but i'd love a copy ;)

The Bursar
15-12-2002, 18:51:30
That Finch track was great./

*End Is Forever*
15-12-2002, 18:54:14
I'm quite amazed people got so excited about one of my songs... :)

The Bursar
15-12-2002, 18:57:07
Dammit I knew that was Snowpony!

Hooray for Snowpony!

The Bursar
15-12-2002, 19:02:10
Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
I'm quite amazed people got so excited about one of my songs... :)
Interestingly, my first reaction to it was that the shouting fucked-up an otherwise bland but pleasant song.

On further listenings it got better.

Lazarus and the Gimp
15-12-2002, 19:05:43
Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
I'm quite amazed people got so excited about one of my songs... :)

Don't be. It's a good song.

My biggest beef with the Emo I've heard is that it's so damned whiney, even though I tend to like the tunes. This Finch track is so ballsy that it carries it off.

Score so far- there are two bands I'm definitely buying as a result of this compilation- Queen Adreena and Finch.

I might just get that Finntroll album too.

Debaser
15-12-2002, 19:30:55
Originally posted by The Shaker
He'll hate it, but i'd love a copy ;)

No problem Ricardo, sorry for blaming you for that Umpah-Umpah-German-Drinking-Music/Death-Metal number.

*EiF*, don't be amazed, it's an excellent song. In fact so good that I'll forgive you for that dodgy centre parting comment on that other thread. ;)

*End Is Forever*
15-12-2002, 22:37:27
Well I had to identify you somehow... :beer:

Provost Harrison
16-12-2002, 19:14:57
Well I didn't like the Finch track :hmm:

Lazarus and the Gimp
16-12-2002, 19:58:28
Yes, but you're confused by anything that isn't punk.

*End Is Forever*
16-12-2002, 20:41:47
Rich owns two Sleeper albums. He has no room to comment on anything.

Provost Harrison
16-12-2002, 22:27:20
EDIT THAT! EDIT THAT NOW! :p

*End Is Forever*
17-12-2002, 02:47:28
If only it wasn't true...

Oh, and Johan, I didn't mean the Mink DeVille track, I meant the ABC Rocksteady song which I could at least bear to listen all the way through...

Scabrous Birdseed
17-12-2002, 11:41:47
Yes I realise that now. D'oh.

The finch track was like someone taking the most unpleasant bits of Limp Bizkit and mixed them with the most unpleasant bits of The Stone Roses. Horrid, truly horrid, worst track on the compilation. Like New Order doing metal.

Debaser
17-12-2002, 13:15:59
New Order doing metal would be cool.

Funkodrom
17-12-2002, 15:02:58
Yeah right. Download me some!

The crappest part of Limp Bizkit is the attitude and Durst's rapping.

Provost Harrison
17-12-2002, 18:10:48
Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
If only it wasn't true...


Iain has a fantastic taste in music, better than anyone's. He has a sharp ear for a classic tune, and I just wish I had his taste in music. Everything he likes, especially Finch, is fucking brilliant...

...there, happy? Now edit it :lol:

Debaser
17-12-2002, 18:33:47
Edit it to 3 Sleeper albums.

Provost Harrison
17-12-2002, 23:25:11
Actually it is 3, now I look at my collection :o

*End Is Forever*
18-12-2002, 00:43:58
Some things you just shouldn't admit...

Provost Harrison
18-12-2002, 23:49:21
Hey, I might include a Sleeper song on LWP4 :p

*End Is Forever*
19-12-2002, 03:46:59
:lol:

Funkodrom
19-12-2002, 09:19:03
Oh please god don't.

Funkodrom
19-12-2002, 10:46:05
My reviews for next weeks tracks are all really harsh 'cause I'm in a bad mood. Gutted.

Provost Harrison
19-12-2002, 21:57:46
Originally posted by Funkodrom
Oh please god don't.

At last you've finally got my title right, underling :p

So when will the reviews be back for review? :D

Scabrous Birdseed
19-12-2002, 22:02:39
After Shakey and Guess Who return their reviews?

Provost Harrison
19-12-2002, 22:43:18
The bastards!

Debaser
20-12-2002, 16:21:32
Wow! Some of you lovely lovely people liked my song. Miracles do happen at Christmas!

Scabrous Birdseed
20-12-2002, 16:26:35
Smokey Robinson and the Miracles?

Debaser
20-12-2002, 16:36:52
Yup, check em out!

Lazarus and the Gimp
22-12-2002, 22:20:44
When's the next one?

Scabrous Birdseed
22-12-2002, 22:29:23
Tomorrow, no matter what.

The Bursar
22-12-2002, 22:40:33
You have my comments I PMed you anyway.

Sean
22-12-2002, 23:37:58
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
Tomorrow, no matter what. Who needs to reply?

*End Is Forever*
23-12-2002, 00:06:11
Well for once, you can't blame me...

Scabrous Birdseed
23-12-2002, 11:59:46
The joint PH-Bursar comment. Doesn't really matter, since I've got their comments separately.

Lazarus and the Gimp
23-12-2002, 14:34:15
I bought the Finch album today.

Scabrous Birdseed
23-12-2002, 16:03:38
You muppet. You should have bought the Silverbullit album.

Scabrous Birdseed
23-12-2002, 19:37:15
God I really don't feel like editing this, but I've started now.

Here's an icon of some sort...

Provost Harrison
23-12-2002, 19:39:50
Well I was away all weekend and I never caught IW online...