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Sirius Black
08-01-2002, 22:49:59
So, I'm a BIG fan of the Fallout series, Baldur's Gate (1 and 2), Planescape: Torment. Basically all the big Interplay ones. I heard Wizardry 8 is supposedly very nice. I DLed the demo and it seems fun, but I wonder, I know it is a lot of combat, but is there any story involved? Do you get in depth conversations? Have to decide what you want to say to the person in order to make him act in different ways? Or is it all just fighting, fighting, fighting?

And any of you that have it... would you recommend getting it?

Mightytree
08-01-2002, 23:30:57
:eek:

OMG! I didn't know Wizardry 8 was out! :o

I guess that means I gotta go buy it. :bounce: :coolgrin:

I don't know anything about Wizardry 8, but in 7 (which was 10 years ago) there was hardly any in depth conversation, mainly because the way you talked to NPCs was very Ultima 6 like (which means, typing what you want to say), completely different from nowadays. There was a story (of course), and actually it was quite good, but basically it was just a lot of fighting, crawling around in dungeons and solving puzzles. It was damn hard but also sooooooooooo much fun. :)

I've just read some reviews, scores range from 7 to 10 out of 10 points with most being around 8.5 to 9.0.

Sirius Black
08-01-2002, 23:40:22
Yeah, tree! W8 has been actually out for a month or something :D.

Thanks for the info on W7... I'm in the demo of W8, and haven't ran into a town yet... just a dungeon.

Mightytree
08-01-2002, 23:47:11
That's what I get for not watching the new games market too closely the last half year I guess. :)

Downloading the demo now, 80% done. :coolgrin:

Sirius Black
08-01-2002, 23:49:27
Yeah, demos these days are pretty fucking big, are they not? 142 MBs for a demo! Sheesh! I remember the days of 20 MB demos... then again, that was the days that 56k was cutting edge :D.

Mightytree
09-01-2002, 00:20:49
Graphics look a bit ... strange ... :hmm:

Sirius Black
09-01-2002, 00:23:59
Yeah, they are dated... but I guess it isn't as bad as it could have been ;).

Fistandantilus
09-01-2002, 01:19:31
Wizardry 7 was Crusader of the Dark Savant, right?
Boy, that game was huge. I liked it a lot.

I have to download this demo... ;)

Mightytree
09-01-2002, 01:29:56
Yep, W7 was Crusaders of the Dark Savant. It was huge indeed, I never finished it, even with a walkthrough.

Fistandantilus
09-01-2002, 14:55:03
Played a bit with the demo.

The graphics aren't that bad and I like the way your characters improve their skills by using them a lot.
It's quite good, if I'll found it at a decent price I could even buy it.

P.S.
I read on the official site you get a different intro if you import your old party so I digged a bit and I've found an old floppy disk with the final saves of Wiz7 (crusaders.end)!!!
Good Lord, it's a file from 10 years ago!!

Funkodrom
09-01-2002, 15:04:38
Wow. Now that's impressive.

Greg W
09-01-2002, 21:35:24
Yeah, I knew this had come out, but wasn't palnning on buying it for a while yet. Too busy playing Dark Age of Camelot. :D

Mightytree
10-01-2002, 09:49:04
Wizardry 7 doesn't run under WinXP ... :cry: :cry:

Greg W
10-01-2002, 21:15:42
That's what the trusty (dual boot/2nd PC) is for. :D

Mightytree
10-01-2002, 21:55:40
I've read on some Wiz forum about getting rid of the divide error I was getting and about having to slow my PC down. Well, I did that ... but now I don't even get an error message, ds.exe just doesn't do anything. :cry:

I'm not going to install Win98 again just because of Wiz7 ...

Or am I?

Hmmmm ...

:D

Sirius Black
10-01-2002, 22:25:14
You've crossed the line from fan to fanatic ;).

Mightytree
10-01-2002, 22:38:08
I've always been a fanatic. :D

But I'm a bit hesitant to install a second system on my PC. Something will probably go wrong and I'll end up having to format my c: drive. Been there before. There has to be another way ...

Fistandantilus
11-01-2002, 00:41:16
if I'll found it at a decent price I could even buy it


I lied.
I've bought Wiz8 today even if it wasn't cheap at al... just couldn't resist.

The import your Wiz7 party worked and I literally LMAO at the crappy names my old characters had. I was a teenager and it shows :)
The different intro is not such a big deal but the 4 extra levels your characters get at the start just because they were imported is very good.
Plus it's nice to start with laser weapons :D

There is also the option playing ironman.
That means you cannot save or load. The game automatically saves when you quit and load that save when you restart. If your entire party dies the savefile is deleted. :eek:

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 00:48:44
You liar!!! :D

Too bad I never finished W7. I'd really like to have a party to import. I remember trying to play through W6 quickly with a walkthrough just to have one to import to W7. I gave up after a few days. :D

Ironman sounds really cool ... like the hardcore mode for D2.

I need that game! :)

(and I have to get W7 to work!)

So ... mind writing a review for us? :)

Greg W
11-01-2002, 01:25:54
Prolly a bit early for a full review, but howabout a mini-review? :)

Wandered up to my local EB, and was very tempted to buy it. Till I realised my wife would kill me. :D

If you'r einterested too, they brought out the Wizardry archives a while ago now - contains 1 thru 7 I believe. Man, playing the original Wizardry again was a blast. :)

Must admit that the series lost me somewhat when they started going lasers, spaceships and tech stuff. I preferred it as a plain fantasy based game. Still fun though, despite that.

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 01:39:44
You're gonna die anyway some time, Greg. Go buy it. :D

I've just recently read about the Archives. It's a matter of finding them anywhere though. Amazon doesn't have it (the German Amazon doesn't even have Wiz 8! :bash: :bash: ), Chips & Bits doesn't have it, EBGames doesn't have it. Where else is there to look?

And then there's always the problem of getting those games to run.

But I've actually found a German online store where I can buy Wiz 8. Most online / offline stores here don't seem to care about it because the German version of it only comes out in May. :bash: :bash:

Greg W
11-01-2002, 02:29:24
Yeah, but there's a 99% chance that my eventual death will be less painful than what my wife would inflict. :D

I'll see if I can scrounge up a copy of the Archives if you want, no idea if they'll have any in stock though. Just trying to remember if I also have a copy of Crusaders (as well as the Archives) - I'll have to see tonight.

As for getting them to run - how much could it possibly cost to buy a second hand low-end Pentium or 486 to play them on? About the cost of a new game if prices are anything like here. I know I managed to pick up a Pentium and a 486 really cheaply, and while I use them but rarely, they have proven good buys. Do it, it's good for your soul. :beer:

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 02:44:00
Wow, that'd be really great if you could get one for me! :beer: :beer: :bounce: :D

I think before I buy a second computer just to play a 10 year old game, I'll rather just install Win98 again. That sounds easier. Or maybe I can just get my father's PC, his is quite old (P166 I think). I think he really needs a new one. :D

Greg W
11-01-2002, 03:22:11
Well, none of the online stores seem to have it, but that's fairly common I'd imagine for a game that is > a year old. What are you more interested in, Archives, just Wiz VII? I'll have to go visit a few shops in person I can see, but I love browsing computer game shops, so that's no real ordeal. :D

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 03:28:29
Archives! :coolgrin:

The W7 box is right here next to me. :)

:beer: :beer:

Greg W
11-01-2002, 03:35:02
I'll see what I can come up with over the weekend. Don't get too excited yet, there may not be many around, plus you may spill your beer. ;)

Greg W
11-01-2002, 03:42:33
As an aside, I notice there's quite a few copies going on Ebay right now. A couple expire in less than an hour, going for ~$15 US.

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 03:42:44
I'm not excited ...

:beer: :beer: :bounce: :D

:nervous:

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 03:46:59
There's one at $35! :eek:

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 03:50:04
Most of the ebay auctioners ship to the US only. Only two ship to Europe, one of them is the $35 one (:eek: ) and the other one's auction only expires on the 15th.

Greg, if you find it, what do you think it'll cost, the Archives plus shipping to Germany?

Greg W
11-01-2002, 04:12:06
Good question. :D

I can't even remember how much I paid for mine to tell you the truth. Your main issue will probably be shipping and handling from Australia. If I do find one, I'll just get them to put it aside for me, I won't buy it on the spot.

Chances are you could probably get one cheaper from Ebay than you could getting me to buy one. I'd have to find it in the bargain bin to beat $15 US.

Hmm, you had to go edit it while I was typing in a reply, didn't you. :p

Okay, a rough guess. Probably about $60 AUS to buy it, and I'll take a shot at $20 to send it. Now, conversion rates...

Crap, the Aussie is worth 1.15 GDm? Wow, I thought we were only higher than the Kiwi dollar. ;) So that'd be about 90 GDm.

Euro is running about 0.58 to the Aussie Dollar, so near enough 45 Euro.

Take note that this is all a guess, I really have no idea. If I cut out the box (just sent the CD and manual) I could probably cut shipping down a lot, and the game could be anywhere from $20 to $80, I really don't know.

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 04:17:18
The 15th is on tuesday, can you look around a bit till then?

Greg W
11-01-2002, 04:20:58
Bump for my edit above. Yeah, I'll look this weekend. :)

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 04:36:24
Around 45 Euros ... wow, that's quite a lot. You're right, I could probably get it cheaper from Ebay (IF I win the auction). Go look anyway, please. :D

Greg W
11-01-2002, 06:57:39
Well, I went out and bough the game, so I blame you if my wife kills me MT. :p Well, and the game review sites I found that all said it was really good. :)

Now I just gotta download the patch. C'mon, I wanna play... :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Bad news was that where I bought it didn't have a copy - I'll call around a few places tomorrow.

:gotit:

Ebay - I forgot to mention too - send an email to anyoen with a copy that doesn't specify they'll ship to Europe, and ask if they will. Say you'll pay whatever the shipping costs, blah, blah, I've done that once or twice, works fine.

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 09:48:07
:lol:

No problem, blame it on me. :D I knew you wouldn't be able to resist. :D

I've just thought of something. You have a copy of the Archives, right? So, in case you don't find anything, can't you just burn them for me?

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 11:12:31
I just found a UK online store that's still selling it. Game and shipping together is 28.49 pounds, which is around 85DM (45 Euro). Burning would be cheaper though. ;)

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 11:58:05
Woot! Just found another one. Price for game + shipping is ~ $28, very cool. :D

Greg W
11-01-2002, 13:12:27
Yeah, I could burn them, though I'd have to use work's burner, and my soul would rot in hell for all eternity :D - you'd miss the manuals tho. Tho I believe they're on the CD anyway. Oh well...:coolgrin:

MDA
11-01-2002, 15:51:29
Played the demo for about an hour and a half last night - interface is good enough I figured it out in that time without reading anything. Graphics are a bit, er, polygonal, but not a consideration for me personally. I got sucked into text adventures and other 80's RPGs, I can get immersed in this.

I think I'm going shopping tonight.

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 17:01:20
MDA, yes that's what I meant when I said the graphics look strange. Very angular aren't they. That's not something that'll prevent me from buying it, but it kinda leaves a sour taste. Looks like they were done very quickly.

Greg, I don't think I'd miss the manuals. I guess I can figure out most things on my own since I've played Wiz 6 and 7 before. About your soul rotting in hell, mine has been there for a quite a while now and I can tell you ... it's not THAT bad. :cool:

Burn them? :heart: :D

MDA
11-01-2002, 19:17:06
Its settled, then, we'll all be meeting for drinks in hell. :beer:

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 19:26:36
No cold beers though ...

:beer:

Sirius Black
11-01-2002, 20:32:53
Hehe...

Just finished the demo. Liked the game. If it comes down in price, I'll get it :D. It was just wierd having some modern tech stuff interspersed with the fantasy stuff. Also had my first conversation, which was cool. The interface is... uh... interesting, but I thnk I'll be able to get through it ok.

MDA
11-01-2002, 20:53:26
Might and Magic mixes a bit of the tech in as well, so I wasn't so shocked to see it. Very similar - both party RPGs, both very old.

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 21:55:50
Originally posted by Sirius Black
If it comes down in price, I'll get it :D.

Now, where have I heard this before? Hmmmm ... :D

Fistandantilus
11-01-2002, 23:35:40
Quick review:

no matter how strange it sounds this game has a lot in common with Diablo, imo.

Mightytree
11-01-2002, 23:45:24
Oh my, this indeed does sound strange. Can you explain why?

Fistandantilus
12-01-2002, 01:24:58
They're both so darn addictive...

Sirius Black
13-01-2002, 00:21:58
Originally posted by Mightytree
Now, where have I heard this before? Hmmmm ... :D

Brother Greg? ;)

Greg W
13-01-2002, 21:49:00
:coolgrin:

Mightytree, go check your personal messages. Though by using them, I KNOW my soul is gonna rot in hell now. :D

Played Wiz8 for about 14 or so hours over the weekend, though I was really taking my time, reading the manual as I went, playing round with various parties and so on. Sat night my wife went to bed but I wasn't tired, so I stayed up to play it. Next thing I knew it was 3.30am. :eek:

Sunday I got up early (10am is early for me on a weekend), and played it pretty much through until 8pm, barring a few breaks. Only stopped when my wife told me that dinner was ready, and I noticed it was getting a little dark. :D

So, basically, it was addictive enough to keep me going twice for longish stints, and I had to drag myself away from it. Personally I like the graphics - the only place I notice they're blocky is outdoors, indoors I reckon they are cool, and some of the lighting effects in the Manostery were great.

Currently playing with:
Dwarf Lord
Elven Monk
Mook Ranger
Rawulf Priest
Faerie Mage
Hobbit Bard
NPC Rogue
NPC Valkyrie

They're all about level 8 or so, and have finished the first dungeon and the first town, literally just about to head off to the second town, chasing after the Astral Dominae.

The conversation engine is a bit dodgy IMO, it reminds me too much of Daggerfall. Though the fact that all voices are digitised does help matters some.

Character advancement is the same old Wizardry theme, though I do really like that skills go up as you use them as well as by levelling. My Ranger has a skill of like 58 in Ranged attack, she rocks. :)

So far I quite like the plotline, though I have a good idea that I am going to be running around all game, always just too late for everything. Which will lend it some urgency, but which might get me worried that events really are timed,a nd if I am too late, the Savant will ascend while I am buggering around in some Dungeon.

On my character choices:

Lord - pretty cool, though the others are starting to outdamage him in hand to hand combat. Good to have backup healing, though there are heaps of potions, and every man and his dog seems to be able to cast healing spells. 3 skill lines are a little tough to pick once you get spells, mainly using swords, close combat and dual weapons, though I am throwing more into spell skills and letting combat skills get themselves up.

Monk - now that he has nunchucks in his off-hand (do not put them in his primary hand - he will only attack once), he kicks arse in hand to hand. Ranged attack sucks, cos it seems very hard to find shirukens for him to use. Keep forgetting to try and use a sling with him, wonder if I can. Easy for three skill lines - martial arts, close combat and stealth.

Ranger - must have in any party IMO. I have found so many items due to her constant searching, I wouldn't live without one. Brilliant with the bow too, and starting to get a few critical hits (one shot kills). Easy to pick 3 skill lines - scouting, bow and ranged combat.

Priest - healing. Nuff said. Only problem is splitting skill points is a pain - way too many choices.

Mage - damage dealing. Couldn't live without the utility, from sleep, web, sonic blast, fireball, etc. Only problem is splitting skill points is a pain - way too many choices.

Bard - this bloke absolutely rocks. Uses stamina instead of mana when using instruments, of which he has 4 now. Sleep, bless, sonic blast, and another that can cause hostile NPCs to react in a more friendly manner if they'r enot in combat. Very easy to pick his 3 skills to spec in, lockpicking, music and Artifacts (occasionally a few in communication, but that goes up a fair bit anyway)

NPC Valkyrie - She kicks arse, fitting in very will with the rest of my party. Give her an awl pike, and watch the damage flow in. Barely started to play with her skill points.

NPC Rogue - not bad with his backstabbing, but a waste on the lockpicking and stuff, as I have specialised my Bard in just that.

One thought I have been playign with is getting combat skills to say 30 or so, enough to get reasonably skilled, then stop putting points into combat skills. Cos they seem to go up pretty well on their own, and a few characters are having problems with where to put skill points now that they have spells at level 5. Which is probably my only real gripe with the game - too many characters have spells. While that is great when I now have 5 characters capable of healing to one degree or another, I find it a little offputting. Monks for instance would have been quite good without spells, and yet they get Psionics.

All in all, a very minor gripe about a very enjoyable game. A must have for any old-school roleplayer, and a good buy for anyone that likes RPGs in general. So far anyway. :D

I am also not sure if there would be any repurcussions with stealing from NPCs - for instance in the inn in Arnika there are a few chests - will anything happen if I take stuff from them? Not sure what to do there, there seems to be a good chance that I could rip the bank off by taking a keycard out of one of the chests (I picked them just to raise my skill, and because I was curious what was in there), but is it like Ultima 4 where my actions will later count against me, or won't it matter at all? :confused:

Mightytree
13-01-2002, 23:40:12
Sent you email. I'm going :sleep: now and will be online in around 13 hours again so we can discuss things if there's still need to.

Mightytree
13-01-2002, 23:41:50
Oh yeah, nice post Greg, although I only read 1/10 of it. :D I'll read and reply to it tomorrow. Till then, bye.

:nervous:

Sirius Black
14-01-2002, 01:09:22
Sunday I got up early (10am is early for me on a weekend),

Jeez! Must be good if you woke up at dawn! ;)

Nice post though, hmmmmm... thinking I'll definetly get it somewhere down the road, though I'm sure Europa Universalis will get some playtime before Wizardy's price drops, and maybe I'll get System Shock 2 as well.

But sounds really nice, and the demo was good fun. Now to see if it passes the 'call in sick to work' test ;).

Greg W
14-01-2002, 02:34:24
Lol, dawn here is about 5.30am in summer, I went to sleep closer to dawn than woke up at dawn. ;) Also just realised that I barely got 6.5 hours sleep. I'm surprised I was functioning at all on Sunday. :eek:

Man, I would love to have the old "sick day off to play games", but I did that a few too many times last year and got a subtle reminder that people do pay attention to these things. :rolleyes:

MDA
15-01-2002, 20:28:48
have you done any class switching? I'm thinking of turning my Lord into something even more buff. I have a bishop to do the mainstream healing and blessings.

Greg W
15-01-2002, 21:49:26
Nah, no thoughts yet of switching classes. I wonder if in this game (happened in previous games) if your stats reset to their minimums when you level?

One hint I can give too - apparently the expert skills are only given once you get a stat above 100, so make a beeline for getting (one of at least) your prime stats to 100, rather than just spreading stats around willy-nilly. Unfortunately I have been spreading mine around, other than my mage and priest who both have int/wis close to 100.

Fistandantilus
15-01-2002, 23:01:38
Greg,
stats stay the same, don't worry ;)

But, in Wiz7 switching classes was a no brainer. You started anew with 0 exp so could level very fast and thus have a lot of points in skills and abilities. The drawbacks were negligible.

It seems however they didn't like it since now your character will retain his experience points after the switch.
So if you are for example a 10th level fighter and switch to wizard you'll become a lvl one wizard but you essentially need the same amount of experience points to go from 10 to 11 to become a lvl two wizard.

Said that switching class can sometimes be useful, just be prepared! :D

Sirius Black
03-02-2002, 09:53:16
So I just put a bit down on the game on ebay. I have $16 max bid on it, but I'll probably have to go higher. $5 shipping and handling, but much better than the $45 of the stores.

So how's the game?

MDA
04-02-2002, 20:04:06
I've been playing almost every day for over two weeks, and finally the end is in sight. There's a large world, with lots to do, but only so much that you NEED to do. I've recently started exploring the wilderness areas, just to see what's there - there's some cool stuff there, but the enemies are tougher than you find near civilization. That's fine since you don't necessarily NEED to be there. Character building is probably the game's strongest point. That part is fun, and the choices between and within classes are varied enough to actually give the game some replay value as you mess with party makeup and classes you've not used. The downside are the graphics (as if I care) and that combat gets repetitive when traveling between towns. The combat can be avoided by chameleon spells or by getting and using portal spells with one (preferably more) of your spellcasters. Early in the game you won't have that luxury, so its tough - but it does build up experience.

The story is nothing too fancy, but keeps me interested.

Fistandantilus
04-02-2002, 23:55:12
Yeah, that pretty much sums it all.
It's a very good game, imo.