View Full Version : Fair play South Africa

23-11-2002, 16:08:50
Never mind that a man was sent off, never mind that it was a young team, never mind that it was at Twickenham, it was still a record win. :bounce:.

Wales still in with a shout, too.

23-11-2002, 16:19:11
Quality finish from NZ, but decent defensive performance on the whole from Wales.

23-11-2002, 20:13:42
When is the replay?

24-11-2002, 06:15:12
We got them, we got them!

They're getting better, though. When they start holding out for 75 minutes instead of 60, you know they're almost there.

Wales looked damn good for most of the game, especially in the backs. Their two tries were pure counter attacking magic. Our backs dropped the ball far too many times - almost certainly a sign that the team isn't very settled.

South Africa - what can I say. Paddy O'Brian I normally rate as New Zealands best referee, he clearly saw red in that charge on the fullback, though. [Obi-wan voice]Use the sin bin, paddy![/Obi-wan voice].

Still, if that doesn't put to rest concerns over reffing bias in the North/South divide, nothing will.

It's very nice to have Australia and South Africa along on the tour as well. With the way they played, the very least that can be said is that the All Blacks are definitely amoungst the favourites to win the world cup.

24-11-2002, 18:02:51
I thought perhaps Paddy should have used the sin bin, but he had warned SA 4 times prior to that Wilko "challenge" for similar attacks, 1 on Christophers, 1 on Wilko, 1 on Robinson and 1 on Dawson, and that in the first 15 minutes!

I have to say, SA were pretty disgraceful. England have requested a citing for that "tackle" on Christophers which rightly resulted in a penalty try for England too.
I was glad to see though that England didn't stoop to the SA's level, maintained their discipline and hurt the Boks in the best way, by giving them a record thrashing. The two Fowards tries were definitely a "gesture" I thought.

What disappointed me from an England perspective was how many opportunities England wasted in the 2nd half, we probably should have had another 3 or 4 tries. Mind you, when your entire back line has been deliberately injured off the pitch, it's a wee bit difficult to maintain your consistency! Dawson and Wilkinson both have suspected neck injuries apparently.

I'm not going to say any more about the SA foul play because rugby's a very hard game, and all sorts of stuff goes on, but it's just they were so blatant, to me the Boks just made themselves look stupid. And then, for the Boks manager to say "ooh, he was pulling out of the tackle" is just absurd!

The ABs did a good job on Wales in the second half, France struggled a bit against Canada I thought, and Australia didn't win by as much as people expected against Italy. Heigh ho, back to Premiership Rugby now!

When's the WC kick off?

Totally Wired
24-11-2002, 18:18:31
I didn't think they played very fair at all

24-11-2002, 18:37:18
'played' is a bit in doubt, too...

Totally Wired
24-11-2002, 18:40:37
indeed...I have been having great sport pointing such things out to the Springboks tound here.:D

24-11-2002, 21:27:33
Always good to see a bok get sent off.

Probably was a little harsh - I would have sin-binned him.

But the bok who gave away the penalty try would have been lucky to stay on the pitch if I was reffing that one.

One high tackle is bad enough but the consistent, deliberate neck high hits that guy kept doing deserved a red. Funniest moment was when Brian More said he needed a smack then jason lenard promptly gave him one.

So harch initial decision but the right team won (although it would have been even better to thrash a 15man team...)

Totally Wired
24-11-2002, 21:30:48
"The Big Match"?

24-11-2002, 22:07:34
Not that Brian I imagine.

Totally Wired
24-11-2002, 22:08:21
I wondered about the spelling...

25-11-2002, 09:12:29
Jason Leonard is playing some of the best rugby of his career at the moment, it's fantastic. He rules.

SA sucked. They deserved everything they got for their shameful performance.

25-11-2002, 10:16:36
I couldn't understand why there was no sin bin for that high tackle on Christophers, he practically took his head off!

That was the most dirty game of rugby I've seen in a long time. Glad we totally shat on them, just a shame they managed to score at all.

25-11-2002, 11:23:28
Perhaps he should have binned him then, but he did give a Penalty Try, even though he still had one player to beat.

Jason Robinson quote this morning "They have got some good players but perhaps they should concentrate on playing rather than maiming".

25-11-2002, 11:34:42
I thought it should have been a penalty and a sin bin. Not a penalty try.

I know that players going off does spoil the game as a spectacle but you can't let them get away with stuff like that that can really injure players.

25-11-2002, 11:35:57
Great Martin Johnson quote... talking about timekeeping.

"They have a claxon in the southern hemisphere"
"Yes, but we can't hear it up here."


25-11-2002, 11:40:30
Quite right - if they play with the deliberate intention of playing dirty, they should expect to suffer the concequences. I'm sure the Boks hated losing by such a margin, but maybe they should have thought of that when they were preparing their strategy of "targetting" players?


25-11-2002, 11:42:49
They deserved it. They won't have sympathy from many neutrals after that.

25-11-2002, 11:45:12
I was gutted they even got the 3 points to be honest.

25-11-2002, 11:56:55
Me too.

25-11-2002, 12:09:35
Those in the know about SA rugby will have seen this coming for a long time.

The public is too demanding and at the same time too set in their ways. The government is now permanently fucked off at the SARFU for it's inability to develop black players and to play them. And they keep trying to play a big man style of rugby that has been shown to be inferior to the 80 minute one.

Before that game, I would have said it's going to get worse before it gets better, too. But I think it just reached it's lowest point, in all honesty.

25-11-2002, 13:23:20
Jason Robinson has, amongst other injuries sustained against the Boks, got a perforated ear drum from being walloped in the side of the head by something. Nice.


25-11-2002, 14:16:52
Ready to start agreeing on the idea that citing players for foul play in tests instead of just sorting it out on the ground isn't such a bad idea?

(Or was that just TAZ?:))

25-11-2002, 14:25:09
It certainly wasn't me arguing that.

25-11-2002, 14:28:27
Wasn't me either

25-11-2002, 15:15:46
HAVE there been any citings after the game? It certainly sounds like some players could even have been charged with professional misconduct or bringing the game into disrepute, if such charges existed...

25-11-2002, 15:55:37
The match commissioner has cited the chap who took tried to take Christophers head off - the challenge which resulted in a penalty try. The hearing will be held after the hearing for Mr Shoulder "pulling out of the tackle" Barge Boy.

25-11-2002, 17:39:07
I do think we habve to accept that there is violence in the game and that's one of the reasons we like to watch it. The level of brutality in this game however was beyond the pale and hopefully this game marks the death knell of this style fo rugby although I won't hold my breath. I do think that too clean a game would take a lot of the interest out of it, but then I'm a bit old fashioned and I recon that watching two packs fight it out on the halfway line is still a good game of rugby.

26-11-2002, 09:33:50
I do agree that a non-phyisical game of rugby would be pointless, but there's a difference between a hard grinding ruck, or an excellent bit of pack mauling, or a good solid hit with the players ball; but the downright nasty, cynical, blatant, deliberate pre-meditated violence from SA as part of their actual game plan is just not on.

26-11-2002, 17:15:07
Labuschagne banned for 23 days for his "late tackle" on Johnny Wilkinson. Verdict on the other twat who tried to decapitate Christophers to follow...

26-11-2002, 17:16:54
Labuschagne's ban will coincide with the start of the Super 12 next season. Ha. Suffer.

Werner Greef has been cleared of any further punishment for his high tackle, the commissioner felt the penalty try awarded by the ref during the game was punishment enough.

29-11-2002, 10:34:04
Did anyone see "Rugby Club" on SkySports last night? They had a 15 minute analysis of the pre-meditated violence, directed by the SA captain himself.

The BBC sum it up quite nicely in this little article here:

It's interesting - the SA captain actually lamps one of his own players who then had to go off with concussion. The SA coach, in the post-match press-conference, was trying to say that "our players were suffering to Englands dirty play too, we don't concuss our own team", but clearly they did!

29-11-2002, 10:35:42
From Sky themselves...


29-11-2002, 10:37:02
*sigh* South Africa always were a little out there...

29-11-2002, 10:39:52
That's hillarious. SA are Venom playing rugby.

29-11-2002, 10:41:31
That is hilarious:).

29-11-2002, 11:02:30
I wouldn't play rugby with him.

29-11-2002, 11:03:23
He'd be a great prop. ;)

29-11-2002, 11:53:44
My new company has a Rugby7s team, think I might try and join it actually.

29-11-2002, 11:55:55
Will your back take it?

29-11-2002, 11:57:08
Hey... wait. New company? You got the job? Did you tell me that (bit hungover today)

:beer: anyway.

29-11-2002, 11:57:40
Have a go and see... It stood up to Muay Thai ok.

Start on Jan 6th. Will now be able to walk to work!

29-11-2002, 11:59:20
I hadn't told anyone yet, but handed in my notice yesterday!

29-11-2002, 12:00:32
Excellent! Nice work. Go and give Tizzy some tips in her interview thread. :D


29-11-2002, 12:02:27
Will do - bit hungover myself this morning tho'!

29-11-2002, 12:05:44
Excellent. Thursday is the new Friday.

29-11-2002, 12:10:53
Yup! Going to the pub for lunch today too, :cheers:

My new job will mean less posting here again I'm afraid. At least for a while :(

30-11-2002, 07:18:28
So long as you get full posting rights back in time for the world cup!

30-11-2002, 17:55:42
Good point, don't want to miss out on all the WC posting fun..

30-11-2002, 18:44:01
You can always post from home.

I'll miss the rugby threads if we don't have then during the WC.

30-11-2002, 19:59:38
Indeed, much like now in fact.
Leicester lost at home in the Premiership today for the first time in 5 Years

01-12-2002, 01:08:48
Is that a good thing? (I would think so, everyone was delighted when Auckland craped out a few years ago...)

01-12-2002, 01:11:46
Damn good thing, even more so because Leicester aren’t top.

01-12-2002, 05:04:25
Right, Leicester = Auckland:D.

01-12-2002, 11:46:17
Leicester are only 2 places above my beloved Harlequins, who have dragged themselves up to a magnificent 7th, yeah!
Leicester are the ManU of English Rugby.

01-12-2002, 11:54:12
Hmm, be fair, they are better in Europe than United.

01-12-2002, 11:57:17
Fair enough.

01-12-2002, 12:24:45
Lucky against Sarries yesterday if you want my opinion. And yes its good that leicester lost.

01-12-2002, 12:28:14
Do Harlequins still have any Kiwis playing for them? I can't remember whether Zinzan went to there or to Bath?

01-12-2002, 12:31:51
Zinzan wa sthere but has left IIRC but Funky would know.