View Full Version : Bullies stop the passing of price info !

21-11-2002, 12:56:29
Just heard of this site, and it's having problems before I even get there ? (http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.cfm?start=0&catid=18&threadid=126042) Story seen, as usual, in the Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28223.html)

21-11-2002, 13:10:19
That's so wrong. Great idea for a site though!

21-11-2002, 13:29:41
I don't pretend to understand any of that. What/who is Black Friday?

21-11-2002, 13:33:14
Was that what Robinson Crusoe's mate was called in the early editions before they made it more PC?

21-11-2002, 13:34:07
I'll go and look for some footprints on that site in that case.

21-11-2002, 13:39:58
Wasn't that Black Sabbath?

21-11-2002, 13:51:11
That was a film playing at the cinema opposite where Ozzy and his buddies used to practice.

21-11-2002, 14:33:46
Assholes. There's no way you're allowed to claim pricing info as copyright...

Dyl Ulenspiegel
21-11-2002, 14:42:07
I don't quite get what this site is actually doing. Allowing price comparisons ? :confused:

21-11-2002, 15:15:56
information is theft it is like teaching people how to learn to fish

21-11-2002, 15:39:26
I think they are leaking sale prices well ahead of the planned disclosure. Since most retailer sales are loss-leaders designed to get people into the store (not to dump inventory) than customers who get this info can actually plan purchases and the like and do some damage to the retailers (who won't be able to manipulate them as well.) Plus of course, that leaked sale prices may increase competition among retailers and that would be very, very bad from a retailer point of view...

Dyl Ulenspiegel
21-11-2002, 15:47:09
Makes sense. Although the register article said something like "current and forthcoming". For current and announced prices I don't quite get it.... maybe the legal action did not target those.

Still can't see how that can be copyrighted....

21-11-2002, 16:05:28
As a lawyer, perhaps you are aware that threat of legal action can be a powerful weapon, even when not in the right?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
21-11-2002, 16:10:02
I am aware of that, but not if the underlying claim is totally absurd (and the loser pays the costs, I should add).

What I meant however was that I wonder how this can get under a copyright definition, even the broad one of US law....

21-11-2002, 16:13:11
Instead of the sneaky thought in your parentheses, insert (and each pays for his own lawyers...and dotcom sites have no money.)


Dyl Ulenspiegel
21-11-2002, 16:14:31

Time for trial reform USA. :D

21-11-2002, 16:23:55
No win, no fee laywers ?

BTW as an aside, the reg has a couple of other interesting ones today. Check out "File Swap Nets" and "Sex,Text" :D

21-11-2002, 16:29:08
Love to see it. Their is a huge amount of money in law though. And a lot of entrenched interests in the current system and in making it ever more Byzantine and disconnected from factual discovery. (Was told glleefully and proudly by a Roy Barnes staffer that 5 of the 10 richest men in FLA are litigation attorneys--all billionaires.)

Dyl Ulenspiegel
21-11-2002, 16:31:07
Well I suppose they practice tort law....

Dyl Ulenspiegel
21-11-2002, 16:31:32
I think it is close to impossible to get any reform done.

22-11-2002, 00:15:14
That's the DMCA for you...

And it probably is 'copyright'ed material... the ads themselves are copyrighted material... so...

The point is the total control of all information by the 'authoring' business.

22-11-2002, 02:57:41
The ad is not being reproduced, however. Only the pricing information.

This is tantamount to saying that it's illegal to tell someone out loud that HP Deskjets are on special this week, because you are violating copyright.

As Roland said, the threat is diminished when the charge is so ludicrous.

22-11-2002, 05:04:10
Let them fight it out in court. It is parallel to other such DMCA claims.

Again, the information in the ad is copyrighted. And that's all that matters.

There is effectively no such thing as common sense 'fair use' at the moment. Unless there is a law that specifically states 'this is a fair use act', it is a violation of copyright law.

9/11 has done nothing but get all Law Enforcement to side with all big companies. And the courts side with law enforcement, ergo, the courts are siding with big companies. That's how it is breaking down currently. However, this will not last forever. Even the far right conservative judges are beginning to believe that throwing away all common sense and the US Constitution isn't exactly smart.

22-11-2002, 08:34:42
Not if you still want your country to be superior to Europe and all in the next 50 years, no.

22-11-2002, 09:31:36
I think they should pass a common sense clause for law suits.

Get a class of 10 year old kids and tell them what the case is about. If they say "that's dumb" then you can't file it, and if you can't explain it too them then you can't file it either.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-11-2002, 09:32:07
"Even the far right conservative judges are beginning to believe that throwing away all common sense and the US Constitution isn't exactly smart."

Where do you see evidence to support that optimistic view ?

Totally Wired
22-11-2002, 12:31:26
"far right" and "getting smart" is normally only found in sentences with an "isn't"

22-11-2002, 13:00:38
The right is typically the place where strict literalism of the Consitution is practiced. The left is more likely to legislate from the bench.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-11-2002, 13:21:08
The american right is very untypical then.

22-11-2002, 13:45:33
When don't you get over your chip on the shoulder and do a stint over here? Do an exchange teaching thingie or go shmooz at the UN or something.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-11-2002, 13:52:05
What has that got to do with it ? I just found your comment quite odd.

As for exchanges there are other probably more interesting options.

22-11-2002, 13:54:47
Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
What has that got to do with it ? I just found your comment quite odd.

You could experience the American right "up close and personal".

As for exchanges there are other probably more interesting options.

Exotic Lower Austria?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-11-2002, 13:58:18
"You could experience the American right "up close and personal". "

I'd prefer some distance after reading their legal output. Same goes for the american left.

"Exotic Lower Austria?"

That was "exotic upper Austria" (if you're referring to the documentary)

Options... Firenze, Bruges, Shanghai, something in the UK....

22-11-2002, 14:07:03
I'm not referring to any documentary. Just made that up.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-11-2002, 14:09:49
There was a spoof documentary about african ethnologists making an adventurous expedition into the wild exotic Oberösterreich. That one's pure cult. Fuckin' hilarious.

22-11-2002, 14:33:01
Great minds think alike.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-11-2002, 14:34:27
All praise the chicken!

22-11-2002, 14:43:15
Is that from the film?

22-11-2002, 14:45:37
Originally posted by Funkodrom
Was that what Robinson Crusoe's mate was called in the early editions before they made it more PC?

he's just called Friday, not black friday
check the rewriting of the story by Tournier 'Friday or the Limbo of the Pacific', magnificent

Dyl Ulenspiegel
22-11-2002, 14:50:00
Originally posted by GP
Is that from the film?

Yes. The religious chicken festival, with the Hendlgrill in the Bierzelt....

23-11-2002, 10:09:17

A judicial darling of the right says 'it's all a bunch much'.

23-11-2002, 10:10:18
news.com.com... what an assinine address! Looks like an idiot configured there web site address or something...