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Caligastia
20-11-2002, 17:59:25
My bass guitar just arrived from music123.com:beer:

http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno=20636

I haven't had a chance to start recording with it yet, but it sounds good so far. I couldnt afford to spend megabucks on this thing, but I reckon I got a pretty good deal.($220)

Anyone got any tips for recording with it? I seem to remember someone mentioning something about compression or something like that...:hmm:

What do you guys think about fingers vs pick for bass? I can play well with either.

Funkodrom
20-11-2002, 18:25:05
Dunno much about basses but that looks nice. Especially the price. Wish I could get instruments at US prices. :(

Caligastia
20-11-2002, 18:52:14
Are they a lot more expensive over there? How much would you pay for the same one?

Provost Harrison
20-11-2002, 20:32:59
Is that a sea bass? I hear they are very tasty if cooked right :D

Caligastia
20-11-2002, 21:21:25
*sigh*

Caligastia
21-11-2002, 00:29:44
Hey, does anyone know how I can stop this thing from distorting so much when I play it through my pc?

Debaser
21-11-2002, 00:32:10
Turn down the input level on the soundcard or the volume on the bass.

Debaser
21-11-2002, 00:33:04
Are you using Cakewalk?

Caligastia
21-11-2002, 00:54:40
Yeah, I'm using cakewalk. Ive actually got it to sound ok by turning things down. Are there any effects I could use to make it sound better?

Debaser
21-11-2002, 01:28:18
Hmm, I haven't really got a clue to be honest. Ask Protien tomorrow, he's the daddy when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Funkodrom
21-11-2002, 09:15:40
Originally posted by Caligastia
Are they a lot more expensive over there? How much would you pay for the same one?

Actually... just checked and it's not that much different, that bass just looks more expensive than it is!

protein
21-11-2002, 09:26:07
Since your computer uses a line in, you want the signal in to your computer to be a line signal. Is there anything you can play through that has a line output? If you are playing instruments and overloading your line in it is always going to be distorted. You wont have noticed on your guitar and drum tracks because they sound OK distorted.

Get a nice clean well balanced well eq'd sound in to the computer and muck about with it in post production. I thing a little compression on the bass sounds good.

Start learning to use your fingers as soon as possible but don't rule out plectrums.

protein
21-11-2002, 09:29:22
And thus Proteus has spoken.

Nills Lagerbaak
21-11-2002, 10:08:42
Proteus speaketh shite! The plural of Plectrum is Plectra.

Thus Lagerbaak has overulled

protein
21-11-2002, 10:12:19
What is the plural of amplifier? Or will our band never need to use such a word?

And so Proteus retorteth unto thine honerable friend.

Nills Lagerbaak
21-11-2002, 10:21:29
What is the correct spelling of Rhythum? Or shall such band as Sonic Undermind never make utterance of this word.

And so, with delightful Parry and counter-thrust, Nills hath defeated the vile Proton

Funkodrom
21-11-2002, 10:23:24
Nills wordeth is worth nothing since our most goatlike axeman hath proclaimed that a single plectrum was a plectra.

Nills Lagerbaak
21-11-2002, 10:31:17
Ah, the one most coloufully titles "Rhythum" guitarist pipes up. Beware ye, for no more than one further jest and a swift re-buttle thou shalst receive......eth.

Scabrous Birdseed
21-11-2002, 10:32:19
"Riddim".

Funkodrom
21-11-2002, 10:36:23
Nills, in one simple motion during one of your epic guitar soul-ohs, , with one swift tug, I will silence you by removing the lead from your amplificator... oh. Bugger.

Rhythm. One of those words with no proper vowels.

protein
21-11-2002, 10:39:42
How speaketh you so loud without any due means of amplification? Am I to believe that the one called Synchros is giving the Goat a cause to be confidently loud?

Counter parry, thrust and dismembered by the mighty Proteus.

Nills Lagerbaak
21-11-2002, 10:53:11
Through the medium of Synchros I spread the cry of the goat. A cry so true and pure the bossdrum of the evil Proteus is ripped assunder.

Bisembowled, quatered and consumed, thus meeteth Proteus his end.

Scabrous Birdseed
21-11-2002, 10:54:55
Naa, mon, I an' I is pretty sure fe saying it spelt "riddim", Aiight?

protein
21-11-2002, 11:20:20
Behold. The unholiest of all beasts, Proton the Destroyer weilds his mighty battle sticks and pounds the dark and magical rhythm of the undermind, ripping the very air with the sharp beats. The terrified goat hides behind Synchros and evacuates his tiny goat bladder. Proton exclaims "Your puny amplimacator is no match for Jeff, I shall have Synchros for my dinner."

Nills Lagerbaak
21-11-2002, 11:25:33
A fantsmagorical concoction from the recesses of Protons tiny mind.

Caligastia
21-11-2002, 16:56:13
Originally posted by protein
Since your computer uses a line in, you want the signal in to your computer to be a line signal. Is there anything you can play through that has a line output? If you are playing instruments and overloading your line in it is always going to be distorted. You wont have noticed on your guitar and drum tracks because they sound OK distorted.

Get a nice clean well balanced well eq'd sound in to the computer and muck about with it in post production. I thing a little compression on the bass sounds good.

Start learning to use your fingers as soon as possible but don't rule out plectrums.

I'm already pretty good with my fingers because I actually learned to play bass before I moved onto the 6-string many years ago.:bounce:

I could play through my guitar amp with the bass, but when I do that I get too much amp hum and not enough bass. What I ended up doing was just plugging my bass directly into the sound card and turning down the volume to get rid of distortion. It actually sounds pretty good like that.

I think I could do with this compression thing though. Where do I do that in Cakewalk? Is it an effect?

protein
22-11-2002, 08:35:58
I think I sent you a compression

protein
22-11-2002, 08:37:10
I mean compressor. I hate mornings.

Caligastia
22-11-2002, 15:26:42
So its an effect I apply to the track after I recorded it? I'll have a look tonight.

Vincent
22-11-2002, 18:42:02
Ah, nice, I got a Washburn XB400.

Vincent
22-11-2002, 18:43:44
For recording I use a Little Bassman preamp to get to line level and a Boss compressor

Caligastia
22-11-2002, 18:49:02
Originally posted by Vincent
Ah, nice, I got a Washburn XB400.

I assume that's better than mine because the number is higher...:bounce:

Vincent
22-11-2002, 18:54:13
It's OK. It has two active pickups, but they aren't too good. Anyway, the bass was quite cheap when I bought it (8 years ago?) and is quite easy to handle

Caligastia
22-11-2002, 19:06:27
Do you play with your fingers or a pick? I use my fingers mostly.

Vincent
22-11-2002, 19:09:16
Depends on the sound I want to have.

FunkyFingers
02-12-2002, 20:20:43
Sorry I've been a bit slow to pick up on this thread!

Use compression when recording your bass. Not a huge amount, but "enough". You'll know when it's enough just by the sound.

Use fingers unless you want to deliberately limit your ability to play quickly. Fingers is a more difficult technique to get a consistent volume and attack (but then compression helps for this...) though. Ultimately it depends on the sound you want. Picking is more punchy, unless you've got fingers of steel, or you can slap well (and have a bass suited to slap).

Looks like you got an absurdly good deal on that bass though, nice one.

FunkyFingers
02-12-2002, 20:26:43
this is my bass, not exactly like this, but similar

http://www.jaydeeguitars.com/html/classic.asp

Caligastia
03-12-2002, 17:55:56
Thanks for the tips FunkyFingers. I learned to play the bass with my fingers years ago, and seem to be picking it up again pretty fast. I have to keep my nails short to stop them from scraping the strings though...:D

Do you know how to use compression in Cakewalk?

protein
03-12-2002, 18:07:21
I can barely remember. If you have Cakewalk Homestudio - You should be able to click (right click?) on the space above the slider on the mixer and pick an effect. You can easily download more effects and put them in the plug-ins folder in Cakewalk.

If you download Carpet Burns and like the sound of the bass (not the bass line)- www.sonicundermind.co.uk - that was a cheap bass played through a sans amp and a virtual bass cab then slightly compressed. Obviously it was then fiddled about with (eq, further compression etc.) in post production.

Caligastia
03-12-2002, 19:40:07
What is the compression effect called? Just plain "compression"?

FunkyFingers
03-12-2002, 20:47:08
Compression should be called just that, yes.

Definitely shorter nails required to avoid the scraping! Also, lighter guage strings will give you less right hand fatigue with extended playing (and also less left hand fatigue), but you get a "thinner" sound. Depends what you're after. I use 30-95 guage on my JayDee.

protein
03-12-2002, 21:07:57
I think you've got VST compressor and I may have sent you Timeworks mastering compressor. Play with the effects until you get the hang of what they do. It might be an idea to do a rediculously effect ridden song just to get it out of your system because when you get effects you tend to over use them.

When you work out what the effects do try to work out how other people's work is recorded. If you listen to the band Oasis you can hear that the whole band are mastered through heavy compression - so much that when a drum is hit the other instruments seem to drop out slightly. It is quite a good effect to get a real loud rock sound. Oasis' producer over does it though.

Caligastia
03-12-2002, 21:17:40
Thanks for the great advice guys. I will definitely play around when I have a chance. Haven't been able to do much lately as the in-laws are visiting.:gasmaske:

protein
03-12-2002, 21:28:58
Eek! check out the other guitar thread where there's a link to one of my crappy home recordings.

Caligastia
03-12-2002, 21:44:21
Which one is yours?

protein
03-12-2002, 21:45:34
Alien.

Caligastia
03-12-2002, 22:21:32
Hey, thats pretty fucking cool! I really liked it. Nice mixture of the lead samples with the main riff. It really has atmosphere. The sound is pretty polished - makes my stuff sound like a demented garage band.:gasmaske:

protein
03-12-2002, 23:02:26
Thanks, if you listen again you'll notice that the levels are pretty bad and there isn't much definition. I had to loop the guitar parts because my computer won't record for more than 30 seconds. Plus it is a drum machine and I hate using drum machines for rock.

I am proud of it though because I still find it funny. :) The proper band stuff is much much better. I am going to get a 16-track in spring and I'll post some proper music then.

Funkodrom
04-12-2002, 09:28:29
Wasn't Carpet Burns on Sam's fretless? That's not a cheap bass!

FunkyFingers
05-12-2002, 12:08:07
What bass has Sam got again?

protein
05-12-2002, 12:32:07
Not sure. It's a custom one-piece stained green fretless with brass machineheads. Sounds great. I thought he used his cheap bass but I was wrong.