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The Mad Monk
21-10-2002, 20:04:47
Who here has read his books?

Scabrous Birdseed
21-10-2002, 20:27:44
I buried paul

The Mad Monk
22-10-2002, 05:52:23
Go play with the Posleen.

The Mad Monk
22-10-2002, 06:15:07
About the author:

John Ringo had visited 23 countries and attended 14 schools by the time he graduated high school. This left him with a wonderful appreciation of the oneness of humanity and a permanent aversion to foreign food. He chose to study marine biology and really liked it. Unfortunately the pay was for beans. So now he manages a quality control database and the pay is much better. He hopes to someday upgrade to SQL Server. At that point life will be complete.

With his bachelor years spent in the airborne, cave diving, rock-climbing, rappelling, hunting, spear-fishing, and sailing, the author is now happy to let other people risk their necks. He prefers to read (and of course write) science fiction, raise Arabian horses, dandle his kids and watch the grass grow. Someday he may even cut it. But not today. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe he’ll just let the horses.



He has put an entire novel on-line for perusal -- check it out:
http://www.baen.com/library/0671318411/0671318411.htm

King_Ghidra
22-10-2002, 08:48:13
from what i've read so far via that link, i'm not tempted to read any more

The Mad Monk
22-10-2002, 08:55:15
How far did you read?

King_Ghidra
22-10-2002, 09:05:17
far enough. the writing is just not good enough.

Having read Beowulf, 1984 and some of Moby Dick recently i don't have time for a hackneyed sci fi thriller-cum-war story

The Mad Monk
22-10-2002, 09:22:29
Filling in for Snapcase, today?

King_Ghidra
22-10-2002, 09:26:50
:D sorry i don't mean to insult it if you like it, just explaining why i didn't read too much of it

moomin
22-10-2002, 20:10:15
Much as it pains me, I'm with KG on this one. I managed to slug through AHbB, but I thought the writing left a lot to be desired. But then I'm not a mil-fic fan.

I think Ringo reads a lot like an Niven/Pournelle co-op at their worst, actually.

The Mad Monk
22-10-2002, 20:20:18
Fair enough. :) I found I couldn't put the damn book down. Especially through the final battle.

The Mad Monk
27-10-2002, 11:44:31
What did you think about the technology?

moomin
27-10-2002, 12:00:43
Old Heinlein did battlesuits better, methinks.

Mind, there is some coolness in deploying and detonating a nuke like it was a rugby ball and live thru' it. Mean, mean inertial compensators, that. Makes you wonder why the bad guys didn't use them to save thier precious mothership.

The Mad Monk
27-10-2002, 13:06:30
Mainly because the bad guy was too stupid to learn his own control panels; Posleen are good at fouling up like that...:)

Did Heinlein have battlesuits beyond Starship Troopers?

Funkodrom
28-10-2002, 10:55:05
Not that I've read but I haven't read another book of his that had a war in it.

moomin
28-10-2002, 19:26:40
Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Did Heinlein have battlesuits beyond Starship Troopers?

Not that I know of, but at least those made some sense. Unless you wanna count the one in Have space suit, will travel of course ;)

Darkstar
28-10-2002, 21:25:45
You know, every time I see this thread title, I wonder where Paul George is and why Paul George was left out...

The Mad Monk
29-10-2002, 05:12:38
I'm sure the poor man gets that a lot. :)

Funkodrom
29-10-2002, 09:39:22
Originally posted by moomin
Not that I know of, but at least those made some sense. Unless you wanna count the one in Have space suit, will travel of course ;)

Oh yeah. I've read that. :D

The Mad Monk
30-10-2002, 08:21:36
I've read Starship Troopers, but I don't remember much about the armor, and I can't find my copy of the book right now. What did you like better about it?

moomin
30-10-2002, 09:26:17
It wasn't magic. It didn't imply tech that would make the entire scenario redundant in the first place.

Then, of course, Heinlein before the brain-eater was a better writer than Ringo will ever be.

The Mad Monk
30-10-2002, 10:14:07
Are you saying that tech in Ringo's book is? Well, yes, probably, but tech isn't the meant to be the real hurdle with the Posleen.

The Mad Monk
04-11-2002, 13:14:35
Originally posted by moomin
Much as it pains me, I'm with KG on this one. I managed to slug through AHbB, but I thought the writing left a lot to be desired. But then I'm not a mil-fic fan.

I think Ringo reads a lot like an Niven/Pournelle co-op at their worst, actually.


BTW, what's an example of a Niven/Pournelle co-op at their worst?

moomin
04-11-2002, 19:31:37
Hmm... let's see:

Lucifer's Hammer, Footfall and Legacy of Heorot are pretty bad.
But they are all bested - or worsted, if you please - by the book that ought to sit in a directiory as an illustrution of "stinking":
The Gripping Hand. Godamnawful.

I'm not claiming Ringo is a bad as TGH, mind. He's on the Footfall level.

The Mad Monk
09-11-2002, 08:46:06
Have you read any of his other books? AHBB was his first novel, and Gust Front (the sequal) felt more polished, and read in a shorter time despite being a longer book.

moomin
11-11-2002, 19:18:15
Nope. These days an author gets one shot, and one shot only, at convincing me he or she is worth reading. Ringo blew it.

Still, I really don't fance most mil-sf. I can't stand Weber either. Takes a Bujold to write engaging about that sort of thing.

Resource Consumer
11-11-2002, 20:57:22
I can't read...

Darkstar
12-11-2002, 06:57:45
That's alright RC. They have those Books on Tape and Audible Books. You know, talking books.

The Mad Monk
17-11-2002, 07:55:12
I just finish ed the third book -- roughly 500 pages in 18 hours. It's a bit weaker then Gust Front, which I think is probably the best book in the series so far. The main problem I could see was that Ringo spent so much time putting detail in earlier parts of the book that, when the time came for the 'big battle', there simple weren't enough pages left, and he shunted the 'big battle' ove to the next book rather than skimp on it -- or edit earlier portions. Still, it was a very entertaining read, and is clearly set up as an on-going series rather than a three- or four-parter.