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Asher
06-10-2002, 08:11:21
Snapcase et. al go home, I already know what you will say. ;)

With that out of the way, Matchbox Twenty has put on their website (www.matchboxtwenty.com) their new upcoming single "Disease" off their album (due Nov 19). The single was cowritten with Mick Jagger, but they cut out Mick's vocals since he sucks ass. ;)

I really like the song, it's harder than most of MB20's songs have been in the past, but it's not saying much. Very catchy. New album is once again produced by Matt Serletic (Matchbox 20's previous albums, Collective Soul, Santana, etc)

Anyone else want to offer an opinion and rail on mine?

Lazarus and the Gimp
06-10-2002, 08:36:34
"Mainstream rock" is a terrible description.

"It sounds just like loads of other bands and it's quite inoffensive! Buy it!"

Darkstar
06-10-2002, 08:42:23
Truth in advertising?

Asher
06-10-2002, 09:01:23
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
"It sounds just like loads of other bands and it's quite inoffensive! Buy it!"
That doesn't quite work, though. Look at the lyrics for "Slow Motion" by Third Eye Blind...or hell even their biggest hit "Semi-Charmed Life". They can be quite offensive. :)

I still don't agree with the sounds like loads of other bands, either. I can always tell apart songs written by Rob Thomas compared to other bands like Creed/Nickelback/Default which all blend together.

And future reference, Laz, you were included in that "et. al", as I have zero interest to hear your opinion on it.

Lazarus and the Gimp
06-10-2002, 09:13:01
I applaud your persistance in providing a 100 word+ answer considering you have no interest in it.

In any event, don't be so precious. It was a tip on terminology rather than any criticism of any bands.

Asher
06-10-2002, 09:20:21
You don't call rock music by a band that sold 16M+ copies "mainstream rock"?

Don't be so quick to give tips on things that are correct in the first place.

Lazarus and the Gimp
06-10-2002, 09:25:08
Well by that definition your label covers Bon Jovi, Metallica, The Eagles, Guns'n'Roses, Led Zep, Heart, Poison, Ugly Kid Joe, Motley Crue, and probably Michael Jackson as well.

That's why it's a terrible label. A little more clarity makes everyone happy. Besides, are you familiar with the expression "to damn with faint praise"?

Asher
06-10-2002, 09:26:09
No, I'm not familiar with that expression.

And yes, my label does cover all those bands. Feel free to discuss them.

I only mentioned it because I know Snapcase hates all that is mainstream, and I wanted him to piss off.

Lazarus and the Gimp
06-10-2002, 09:37:57
Seeing as you then stretched the definition to include me, you'd probably better clarify who else you want to exclude. It'll save you time in having to explain who you aren't interested in hearing from.

Funkodrom
06-10-2002, 09:47:36
It's OK. Not really very rock. Not a bad tune, singer has an interesting voice. Not really my thing exactly but it's a hell of a lot better than Nickleback, Creed or whoever.

The Shaker
06-10-2002, 10:51:45
Hmmmm it reminds me of someone else actually.
Not bad....not harsh enough for my current tastes but still a nice song.

Sean
06-10-2002, 11:29:26
Originally posted by Asher
I only mentioned it because I know Snapcase hates all that is mainstream, and I wanted him to piss off.
Including Missy Elliot?

PosterBoy
06-10-2002, 13:23:19
I quite liked matchbox 20's first album, 2nd album sucked.

I think The Wallflowers have a similar sound to some Matchbox 20's song but do it much better

Asher
06-10-2002, 19:37:44
Originally posted by PosterBoy
I quite liked matchbox 20's first album, 2nd album sucked.
Their first album was still the best in my book, the 2nd album was a lot softer and was more experimenting (orchestras, trumpets, etc? hmm), but I still liked it.

This third album is supposed to be more like the first, so I'm happy. :)

I think The Wallflowers have a similar sound to some Matchbox 20's song but do it much better The Wallflowers are pretty good, but I find Jacob's voice too..mundane or something.

devilmunchkin
07-10-2002, 04:44:00
but they arn't really ROCK....
TOol..is rock...
Korn is rock....
matchbox 20..although they are good..are not rock...soft rock maybe

Asher
07-10-2002, 07:08:31
Look at the roots of rock, the stuff today is harder but that makes it hard rock

KoRn is more alternative than rock, Tool is more...um...I don't know, I wouldn't blanket it as just "Rock" either, "alt/hard rock" maybe?

Funkodrom
07-10-2002, 08:23:36
The Wildhearts are Rock, The Darkness are Rock.

Matchbox 20 might be rock but definitely not Rock.

Mr. Bas
07-10-2002, 09:08:02
Well, practically anything with a guitar is rock. From rock like Matchbox 20, to punk, to metal, to indie, to Rock like Therapy? and QOTSA.

Funkodrom
07-10-2002, 09:09:20
Therapy? and QOTSA are both great bands. :beer:

Mr. Bas
07-10-2002, 09:15:53
They're both just Rock as well. :beer:

Can't think of a better label to put on them, anyway.

Scabrous Birdseed
07-10-2002, 09:27:37
I love lots of stuff that's commercially very mainstream, just not stuff that's stylistically mainstream. I mean, music that's been softened up by using bore-rock textures, synth chords and other nonsense, where energy and production are secondary.

Sean
07-10-2002, 11:02:13
Originally posted by Asher
"alt/hard rock" maybe?
AAAAGH! You’re as bad as Snapcase!

Scabrous Birdseed
07-10-2002, 12:15:10
What? I'd describe them as "fucking post-punk/thrash-metal/neo-prog wankers".

Sean
07-10-2002, 12:23:52
Exactly.

Funkodrom
07-10-2002, 12:28:42
I'd say I prefer A Perfect Circle.

Mr. Bas
07-10-2002, 12:36:31
Snapcase's description is fairly accurate. And they're damn good post-punk/trash-metal/prog-rock wankers as well.

Asher
07-10-2002, 14:24:58
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
I love lots of stuff that's commercially very mainstream, just not stuff that's stylistically mainstream. I mean, music that's been softened up by using bore-rock textures, synth chords and other nonsense, where energy and production are secondary.
Hmm. So what mainstream stuff do you like?

devilmunchkin
08-10-2002, 06:58:18
OZZY is rock

Scabrous Birdseed
08-10-2002, 10:49:54
Originally posted by Asher
Hmm. So what mainstream stuff do you like?

Snapcase Production Presents: A List of Swedish, US and UK Top Ten hits from 2002 year he really likes. (That's before we get to the Jamaican and Trinidadian top ten lists, that I know you won't allow. :))

Hot in Here by Nelly
Palace Station by Melody Club
A Little Less Conversation by Elvis vs. JXL (barely counts, I like the straight Elvis version better)
Kärleken Väntar by Kent
Dom Andra by Kent
The Rising by Bruce Springsteen
Dy-na-mi-tee by Ms Dynamite
It Takes More by Ms Dynamite
Luften Bor I Mina Steg (EP) by Håkan Hellström
Work It by Missy Elliott
4 My People by Missy Elliott
Freak Like Me by Sugababes
Oops (Oh My) by Tweet
More Than A Woman by Aaliyah
Addictive by Truth Hurts feat. Rakim
Hey Baby (Uh, Ah) by DJ Ötzi (Just kidding)

Possibly By The Way by Red Hot Chilli Peppers (definate progression from the last set of singles... but every other track I've heard off the album is better, and less like their typical sound... I really want to buy this album.) Somewhat less possibly Marilyn Manson's "Tianted Love" cover, which although vastly inferior to the brilliant original is considerably better than the awful, awful Soft Cell cover.

Funkodrom
08-10-2002, 10:53:52
The only ones of those I like at all are Freak Like Me and possibly By the Way but I'm not a huge fan of that. It's nothing like their best stuff.

Scabrous Birdseed
08-10-2002, 10:56:31
I bet you've never even heard Palace Station by Melody Club. :D

Sean
08-10-2002, 10:57:18
What, like Yrtle the Turtle?

Sean
08-10-2002, 10:58:21
X-post a-fucking-gain.

Funkodrom
08-10-2002, 11:04:19
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
I bet you've never even heard Palace Station by Melody Club. :D

Yeah, there are some other crazy swedish ones I haven't heard either.

I don't think that top 10 in Sweden can possibly count as mainstream though. :D

Provost Harrison
08-10-2002, 22:27:22
Someone get me a pillow, this genre makes a damn good tranquiliser :p

Asher
09-10-2002, 00:01:02
Cheer up Provost, once you get over Bad Religion you'll find there's a lot of good music out there. ;)

Funkodrom
09-10-2002, 08:39:38
I'm not a big punk fan but Bad Religion are good.

Provost Harrison
09-10-2002, 17:39:53
Originally posted by Asher
Cheer up Provost, once you get over Bad Religion you'll find there's a lot of good music out there. ;)

Oh yeah, like Matchbox 20 :sleep:

The Shaker
09-10-2002, 18:13:20
at least some people here like good Rock :)
(I won't specify who)

Asher
10-10-2002, 00:08:58
Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Oh yeah, like Matchbox 20 :sleep:
:smoke:

Provost Harrison
10-10-2002, 17:23:50
:hmm:

Asher
11-10-2002, 01:04:55
I knew Bad Religion was good, I was pulling your chain (note the smilie)

I do like how you put the "partied out" smilie after Matchbox 20 though. ;)

(did you see that smilie Rich? This one ;) right there)

PosterBoy
11-10-2002, 09:09:30
I like bands you can consider as Rock n Roll, I think The Wildhearts fit into that category.

Funkodrom
11-10-2002, 09:12:16
YEAH!!!

Funkmaster Felch
15-10-2002, 06:25:05
Dude, Slow Motion is such a crazy ass song. It must've been a lot of work to clean it up for radio. Hope everybody else is having a good night.:)

Asher
15-10-2002, 06:29:17
I don't think Slow Motion was ever played on the radio.

In fact on the US CD release Slow Motion was an instrumental because the record label didn't want to deal with the backlash from the lyrics