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Shining1
05-10-2002, 06:35:43
1 Warcraft III: Reign Of Chaos - Vivendi Universal Publishing $55
2 The Sims: Vacation Expansion Pack - Electronic Arts $29
3 The Sims - Electronic Arts $43
4 Madden NFL 2003 - Electronic Arts $34
5 Neverwinter Nights - Infogrames Entertainment $54
6 Backyard Baseball 2003 - Infogrames Entertainment $19
7 Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault - Electronic Arts $46
8 The Sims: Hot Date Expansion Pack - Electronic Arts $29
9 Grand Theft Auto 3 - Take 2 Interactive/Rockstar $47
10 Medieval: Total War - Activision $37
11 MS Zoo Tycoon - Microsoft $27
12 The Sims: Livin Large Expansion Pack - Electronic Arts $28
13 Roller Coaster Tycoon - Infogrames Entertainment $19
14 Roller Coaster Tycoon Gold - Infogrames Entertainment $29
15 Diablo 2 Expansion Set: Lord of Destruction - Vivendi Universal Publishing $31
16 The Sims: House Party Expansion Pack - Electronic Arts $30
17 Starcraft: Battle Chest - Vivendi Universal Publishing $20
18 MS Age Of Empires 2: Age of Kings - Microsoft $28
19 Harry Potter & The Sorcerer's Stone - Electronic Arts $27
20 Icewind Dale 2 - Vivendi Universal Publishing $48

Taken from HomeLan Fed, which Blizzard is confident enough to trust:).

Darkstar
05-10-2002, 07:15:39
Too much EA on that list...

Shining1
05-10-2002, 07:26:55
Nothing EA except the Sims, Madden, and Medal of Honour. It's the amount of Infogrames I'm concerned about.

Darkstar
05-10-2002, 08:11:20
I went looking for the one I thought I'd seen at Gamespot. Couldn't find it. It listed WC3 as #1, The Sims as 2,3, 5,6, 9,10. #4 was Medal of Honor and #7 was 1942, IIRC.

That listing is missing The Sims Deluxe... which is about as popular in sales as The Sims (Original Game). The Sims Unleashed is missed, which is eating up the Sim Fan dollars... newest expansion and all.

Couldn't find the latest listing on Gamasutra.

Still... I'm not surprised that Infogrames of Roller Coaster Tycoon set. They' hadn't been bumped out of the top 10 until Gold bumped out RCT. If it wasn't for all the Sims expansions, it probably would still be in the top 10.

Sad really... the best games long term are 2 and 3 years old? Well, I expect WC3 will tend to stay around a while. But that's the first I've seen NWN listed in the top 10 in a while.

Shining1
05-10-2002, 08:45:55
That was for August - how old are these sims products?

Darkstar
05-10-2002, 08:49:36
Ah. Just released in September. And that explains NWN being so high...

Shining1
05-10-2002, 09:14:55
Good, I'm not surprised that overpriced beta has fallen quickly.

Darkstar
05-10-2002, 09:23:23
You've really changed your attitude towards NWN, Shining1. Really disappointed in it's bugs? I'm not surprised it has bugs... sounds like they attempted a very grandiose thing, I think, and that generally means lots of code work with not proper testing... or testing from a 'fresh eyes' sort of thing.

What is this Farm Bug in MP I've seen mentioned concerning WC3?

Funkodrom
05-10-2002, 09:39:38
Er... dunno. There aren't any farms...

Shining1
05-10-2002, 09:42:50
Essentially they had taken 5 years on it, had to rewrite it to make a 3D engine, lost their publisher at the last moment, got signed by some assholes, had to release the game with 5 years worth of junked code. The project wasn't that massively abitious, really - it's about on a par with a 3D shooter. You need a game, a level editor, and a server system.

The farm bug is a pathfinding/building bug that under very special circumstances essentially gives you a double refund for building a farm. You can use it to get a truely massive amount of gold early on in the game with hardly any risk at all - a total game breaker.

Funkodrom
05-10-2002, 09:44:25
Oh the human houses are called farms aren't they.

I haven't noticed a bug. There might be a balance problem but it seems OK, human houses are cheap but only provide a small amount of food.

Shining1
05-10-2002, 09:49:49
Yep, and it's only a very special situation in which this happens - kind of like go to the highest platform, make Mario jump three times, run left run right and then wait for a minute = hot sex with the princess.

Or something:D.

Funkodrom
05-10-2002, 09:51:54
I hadn't heard about that. How do I do it?

Shining1
05-10-2002, 09:56:43
You don't because that would exploiting a bad bug and would mark you as a total bastard.

Shining1
05-10-2002, 09:58:58
Or are you asking about hot sex with the princess? In that case which one? :)

Funkodrom
05-10-2002, 10:55:58
Of course not I wasn't serious.

It sounds too hard for me to do anyway.

Shining1
05-10-2002, 11:00:51
It might take a bit of practise but unfortunately it's not very hard. The ladder is totally screwed at the moment.

Darkstar
06-10-2002, 04:52:16
Actually, with an open scripting engine, that's a pretty big deal, Shining1. That's building a compiler, on some level. Remember, the highest paid comp guys are the guys that design and code compilers.

Building a little platform game isn't much of anything. But toss in a decent scripter, and you just moved from designing a unicycle to a mid market level production motorcycle. Even a basic scripter gets you to an entry level motorcycle.

A level designer isn't much, overall... That's tile/array editing from what I've seen of NWN. But everything adds up. There is a reason that KISS exists... :D

Still... it's a shame to ruin a game that naturally hyped up everyone. I hope this doesn't stop anyone else from making a similar concept product.

Shining1
06-10-2002, 06:54:21
It's not ruined because it's not finished yet is the problem:).

Darkstar
06-10-2002, 07:01:34
:lol:

No program is ever finished. Except for...


10 Goto 10


That's about it. :D

moomin
06-10-2002, 15:36:44
I dunno. I have enjoyed NWN mightly. But then I'm a RPG noob, and I have a soild squad of friends to play MP online with. We're having a tremendous amount of fun with it - well worth every penny it cost.

And for me, so far, it's been rock solid. No crashes, no headaches, just smooth gaming. The hench pathfinding in SP is kinda wretched, but that's about it, as far as I'm concerened. I'd take NWN over any other game released the last few years.

Darkstar
07-10-2002, 03:41:15
You play MP only then, so any NPC issues are NA for you?

Venom
07-10-2002, 12:04:27
Starcraft battle chest? That's not even in any store around here.

moomin
07-10-2002, 14:31:22
DS: Well, NWN is the only MP game I play right now, although I'm kinda considering that MMORGP Elite. And it's a blast. I spend entirtely too much time with it.

I did the SP campaign as well, and liked it, but then I'm not a RPG hardcore player and actually liked stuff like the stone of recall and abundant healing that people seem to bitch so much about. I gave up on Morrowind because I couldn't be arsed to mend the gear and keep the fatigue up all the time - I think NWN did great by abolishing all that tedious crap.

But different strokes for different folks and all that.

Darkstar
08-10-2002, 03:50:11
It's nice hearing someone saying nice things about it, Moomin.

RPGs are always about different strokes. Some people like the great, Super Heroic Epic type play, and others are into the nitty gritty pick that pocket, kill that smurf kinda play. Same goes for amount of rules and such.

But Shining1 seems very upset about things that ruined his fun that shouldn't be in the program. Which is unfortunate. We play games to have fun...

Maybe you could knock out a review for NWN, moomin?

SATAN
08-10-2002, 07:54:22
From what i've read on this board peviously i don't think moomin is the only one around here who likes NWN. I posted several times (as king_ghidra) to say that i loved it and i'm sure if you look through the other NWN threads you'll see posts from other people saying similar things.

I totally back up Moomin's statement about it being bug free, i have never had any problems with it at all.

moomin
08-10-2002, 12:33:10
Knock out a review? Heavens no, I'm strictly a consumer of that kind of stuff. A bit of flaming or indulging stupid puns is fun, or voicing opinions here, but writing reviews is... work. *shudder*

Anyhow, I just got myself a shining new car, so as fast as I can sneak out from work I'll be out there collecting speeding tickets.

Darkstar
09-10-2002, 05:37:31
Well, we should get KG to do it then. ;)

MDA
10-10-2002, 20:09:08
I thought Shiny had volunteered, the game's been out almost too long to bother, now.

Shining1
11-10-2002, 02:09:54
MDA - it's usually better to get someone who still likes and enjoys the game to review it...

moomin
11-10-2002, 09:42:41
I disagree. I think reading reviews that are dripping with disgust and loathing is far more rewarding. Not to mention fun. Great dissin' is an art!

Shining1
11-10-2002, 09:49:00
Anyone who takes a game that seriously that they actually start to hate is overdoing it, though.

Sean
11-10-2002, 12:16:25
A review dripping with disgust and loathing is a lazy review.

moomin
11-10-2002, 12:19:11
Oh, I dunno. Maybe it's overdoing it, but then isn't all art about that? Somebody send me a copy of the Sims and I'll be happy to loath it to bits!

Shining1
11-10-2002, 23:38:24
So you'll write a review of something you hate, but when it's something you like, that's just too much work?:)

Funkodrom
15-10-2002, 16:23:13
Isn't he just trying to get a free game? :D

Venom
15-10-2002, 16:48:19
When can we start getting free games to review? That would be awesome.

Sean
15-10-2002, 16:50:26
I’ll take Mario Party 4 and the next Zelda game.

moomin
15-10-2002, 17:49:13
There's no such thing as a free lunch, gentlemen. If you get games for free you'd better hate 'em!

And dissing isn't really work, now, is it? Measure the ratio of whining and praise happening on any board on any topic and you'll see plenty of people doing whining for free ;)

Shining1
16-10-2002, 02:12:26
I got LSN for free and actually really liked it:).

Darkstar
16-10-2002, 03:42:53
Well, if we want to be sent free games, we need reviews that are funny and done by people that liked the game. Dripping poison reviews that are funny can be very entertaining, but not many shops would care to send out a free copy to a site that disses games. They won't want to be dissed...

Sir Penguin
16-10-2002, 03:55:26
I was going to do a comparison review of Morrowind and Neverwinter Nights, but
a. I bought neither,
b. I've finished neither, and
c. I started to write, but then I realised that the only reason I started was to avoid studying for Math.

I even had a couple good lines thought up.

SP