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Venom
02-10-2002, 14:24:55
I cannot find a PC game that interests me. I've been in voids like this before, but not for a long time. Not since Half-Life came and rescued me. Soldier of Fortune 2 lost my interest quickly. Medieval: Total War did as well. I can't find any game to save me. Won't someone come and save me?

Sean
02-10-2002, 14:26:24
BF1942!!

Funkodrom
02-10-2002, 14:53:18
WCIII. :D

Mightytree
02-10-2002, 15:17:11
BF1942 ... definitely.

Venom
02-10-2002, 15:30:38
I tried WCIII. I didn't really like it.

Funkodrom
02-10-2002, 15:31:29
Loser.

Mightytree
02-10-2002, 15:32:21
Winner.

Funkodrom
02-10-2002, 15:33:58
Thanks. :D

Venom
02-10-2002, 15:35:25
Considering how roundly you trashed the game before, calling you a hypocrit would not be uncalled for.

Mightytree
02-10-2002, 15:35:29
Loser.

Venom
02-10-2002, 15:35:57
Damn you! Both of you!

Mightytree
02-10-2002, 15:38:36
That was an unfortunate x-post. :lol:

Funkodrom
02-10-2002, 15:39:40
Originally posted by Venom
Considering how roundly you trashed the game before, calling you a hypocrit would not be uncalled for.

That's true but mainly I trashed WCII not WCIII 'cause I'd never played it. The things I thought would be gay in WCIII are gay but it's a fun game despite them.

Mightytree
02-10-2002, 15:40:51
Loser.

Sean
02-10-2002, 15:43:10
You know what you should do, Funkodrom? Review it!

Venom
02-10-2002, 15:47:38
Yes. Review it.

I "obtained" a copy and tried it out. Despite the fact that I enjoyed playing WCII and that I still enjoy RTS games, I really didn't like WCIII. Don't know why. It just felt flat and dull.

Funkodrom
02-10-2002, 15:50:14
Er... Shiny already reviewed it... I proof read his review but I realise now he hasn't actually posted it to the site!

I'll do one if he doesn't want to.

Mightytree
02-10-2002, 15:53:02
I "obtained" a copy and tried it out. Despite the fact that I enjoyed playing WCII and that I still enjoy RTS games ...

Loser.

I really didn't like WCIII. Don't know why. It just felt flat and dull.

Winner.

Funkodrom
02-10-2002, 17:22:37
Fuck it I'll review it anyway. I'll bang something out tomorrow.

Sean
02-10-2002, 17:24:49
You should do a joint review, in the style of a commentator commentating on a multiplayer game, with a summariser explaining the finer points of the game in more detail.

Or something.

Venom
02-10-2002, 17:25:36
We know it won't be a girl.

Funkodrom
02-10-2002, 17:50:57
We could do that but we're not that organised. I'll just write my own and if Shiny wants to add his perhaps we can have the Counterpoint review. Get it. He he he.

Sean
02-10-2002, 17:52:04
And so my attempt to get Ronglish into a review was foiled.

Funkodrom
02-10-2002, 17:53:13
I have just taken some screenshots of a battle. I'll commentate on it in Ronglish.

Venom
02-10-2002, 18:01:05
The orcs have got a bit of an amusement arcade going on in the center channel.

Funkodrom
02-10-2002, 18:03:46
Who's writing this review?

Sean
02-10-2002, 18:04:13
Shining1?

Venom
02-10-2002, 18:05:22
Own Goal is writing the review.

Funkodrom
02-10-2002, 18:11:47
That's a quarter to five post.

Venom
02-10-2002, 18:38:56
At 7:03?

Funkodrom
02-10-2002, 18:40:43
Great commentary last week in the Champs League

Ron "That's a quarter to five ball"
Clive "as this is an evening game is that a quarter past nine ball?"

Oh how they laughed.

Venom
02-10-2002, 19:02:00
:lol:

What in the 9 circles of hell does quater to five ball mean? :lol:

Nav
02-10-2002, 20:33:25
Originally posted by Funkodrom
We could do that but we're not that organised. I'll just write my own and if Shiny wants to add his perhaps we can have the Counterpoint review. Get it. He he he. maybe you could have an 'another viewpoint spot' or something?

Funkodrom
02-10-2002, 22:37:37
Originally posted by Venom
:lol:

What in the 9 circles of hell does quater to five ball mean? :lol:

Games kick off at 3 normally so a quarter to five ball is when you lazily hoof it up the pitch when the game is nearly over to try and waste some time.

Venom
02-10-2002, 23:49:22
Ahhh. I like that one.

Shining1
03-10-2002, 01:29:34
Venom - the WarcraftIII campaigns are pretty shit, overall. Like Age of Kings, and Total Annhiliation, the only part that is worth anything is the multiplayer.

Venom
03-10-2002, 02:03:11
Why must that always be the case? For that I feel they should be punished by not getting my money.

Shining1
03-10-2002, 03:58:03
The multiplayer is probably worth the money. Hey, you could play Nav or something:).

Funkodrom
03-10-2002, 08:54:14
I was enjoying the single player campaigns but MP is much better. They are the first single player campaigns I've played since the original C&C other than Z: Steel Soldiers.

Shining1
03-10-2002, 10:06:06
You didn't play Starcraft though:).

Funkodrom
03-10-2002, 10:09:12
Never saw any good reason to try it.

I can't write this review today I have to actually work. I'll do it tonight or at the weekend. :(

The Shaker
03-10-2002, 10:14:22
Just nick one off the web.
I like the SP but it doesn't help much for getting wiped at MP.

Nav
03-10-2002, 10:24:25
Originally posted by Shining1
The multiplayer is probably worth the money. Hey, you could play Nav or something:). I haven't played any multiplayer yet, so theoretically I could be brilliant first time. :cute:

The Shaker
03-10-2002, 10:45:52
You could be.
Or you could just be crap like me.

Shining1
03-10-2002, 11:04:08
A bit like saying you could be brilliant at football without having played it before...:)

Funkodrom
03-10-2002, 11:14:55
My Dad always said he could be a brilliant violinist but he didn't know 'cause he'd never tried playing one.

Venom
03-10-2002, 12:00:17
But I am brillant at football.

SATAN
03-10-2002, 12:03:31
by that same token funko could be brilliant in bed

Funkodrom
03-10-2002, 12:26:14
I am. :D

The Shaker
03-10-2002, 12:33:37
That is why that conversation goes..
'is funko out tonight'
'no he's in bed'
'brilliant'

Funkodrom
03-10-2002, 14:14:26
I've sent my bit of the review to Shiny, he can add any more comments and send it back and I'll publish it with images etc. tomorrow. Sweet.

Venom
03-10-2002, 14:19:35
I was so desperate for a good game to play last night I broke out Civ II again.

Funkodrom
03-10-2002, 14:22:15
Fucking hell, we'd better get this review up quickly!

Venom
03-10-2002, 14:28:43
I'm very ill. This is as bad a void as I've ever been in.

Funkodrom
03-10-2002, 14:43:41
Hopefully tomorrow we'll at least have a nice review for you.

Venom
03-10-2002, 15:31:03
It will probably make me kill myself, which would make you and Shiny heros of CG.

Funkodrom
03-10-2002, 15:35:58
I already am a hero of CG.

Venom
03-10-2002, 18:21:41
Only when you leave.

Shining1
04-10-2002, 05:22:21
You talked about playing Starcraft again sometime back? Did you want to partner DM for that CG game with Rachel and I?

Darkstar
04-10-2002, 05:34:55
Venom... what are you looking for? Something to eat up huge blocks of time, or something in the 30 minute range?

Real Time, Turn based, what?

No longer Trippin
04-10-2002, 05:36:33
I see a mauling happening in that game very quickly... Shiny and Rachel playing an RTS on the same team... That's like playing russian roulette with a glock and going first... your gonna lose. :)

Shining1
04-10-2002, 06:03:17
Rachel's comparatively terrible at Starcraft.

No longer Trippin
04-10-2002, 09:03:53
I haven't played an rts in at least a year, whenever was the last time I played with you or Rachel was the last time I played an RTS. So it's been a long while for me.

Shining1
04-10-2002, 09:08:24
You were the Franks and just sat there and massed a whole lot of knights for the entire game. Then my attack faltered and it looked like the defenders would be able to hold off and breath a sign of relief for a few minutes. Then a huge horde of Yellow French Paladins turned up in their base.

Classic game:). You should quit all your jobs and play more:).

Funkodrom
04-10-2002, 10:12:47
Anyway, WarIII review done. Just need to wait for Management sLackey Nav to upload it. :beer:

Venom
04-10-2002, 12:02:35
Originally posted by Darkstar
Venom... what are you looking for? Something to eat up huge blocks of time, or something in the 30 minute range?

Real Time, Turn based, what?

Anything.

Venom
04-10-2002, 12:03:39
Originally posted by Funkodrom
Anyway, WarIII review done. Just need to wait for Management sLackey Nav to upload it. :beer:

Technically I could do it, but you saw how well I did before.

Venom
04-10-2002, 12:05:17
Originally posted by Shining1
You talked about playing Starcraft again sometime back? Did you want to partner DM for that CG game with Rachel and I?

I played that most of Saturday afternoon and discovered that I never really finished the whole game. It made me angry and I quit and then just went surfing for porn.

Funkodrom
04-10-2002, 12:21:42
Technically I could do it as well but Nav's going to do the images and thumbnails etc.

Venom
04-10-2002, 12:28:27
And you're just too lazy for all that.

Funkodrom
04-10-2002, 12:30:53
Yep.

Nav
04-10-2002, 13:33:45
my internet conection at work is currently running at less than 0.01kbs... so it'll have to wait a while.

No longer Trippin
04-10-2002, 16:21:51
Yeah, IIRC it was no teams, so I sat there inconspicously while you were masequering everybody, then by the time you turned your attention to me, I was more than ready. Luckily you didn't come attacking with a horde of pikeman. :)

I suck at RTS... and they don't appeal to me anymore, if I could find one that wasn't whoever can do X combo quick enough and get the massive amounts of materials for their war machine and make it just a real strategy game, like x amount of resources and maybe x amount fed into your coffers at certain intervals. As of now its more of (in AoK), who can kill the two hogs and 4 sheep the fastest. You may have a different opinion on that (and I bet you do :) ), but that is my take on things. I've always found if I can find the two hogs and 4 sheep quickly and I use my villagers wisely in the first 3 to 5 minutes of the game, the advantage you gain over an opponent who has trouble finding or has his sheep and hogs (bores, whatever) or they are far away, the materials advatage just seems to increase exponentially in time once you gain an early lead. Very hard to come back from once your opponent is outproducing you by 50 to 100 percent, unless he does something incredibly stupid... but most who can get the resource advantage have at least some battlefield skill, so it's a losing situation.

Now I wait for Shining's rebuttal. :)

Funkodrom
04-10-2002, 16:25:39
Good analysis of AoK, I totally agree.

Warcraft III allows a lot more leeway for a slightly slower starter, although getting started fast is still a benefit. The resource management is so easy it's not really a problem... Well you'll see that in the review.

Darkstar
05-10-2002, 03:07:38
Trip, that's all resource games. The faster you start to collect and process the resource, compared to your opponent, the greater the advantage you have. You can only *squander* your lead by doing stupid things...

The big advance in RTS games was the rock/papper/sissors. But as soon as you stack bigger better more rounded versions of the units, you end up back at the first to get UberTankRats or GiantPinkButterflies or what not.

TBS games with resources are the same way. It's all about the resources. Getting them first, using them the bestest (or on the bestest for the current and soon situation) and fastest.

Shining1
05-10-2002, 03:34:40
Trip: My only rebuttal to your post is that you were my ally (can't remember whether it was a 2vs2 or 3vs3 - think it might have been the later though.

Otherwise you've accurately summed up Age of Kings.

WarcraftIII doesn't give you the chance to get massively ahead of your opponent via resource collecting alone, however. There's two reasons for this:
* Early resource collecting skills require the ability to A) put 5 peons to work in a goldmine B) build another 5-6 to cut wood. Compared to Age of Kings and the 30 villagers all carefully balanced so you don't get too much wood or food, etc, it's very very easy.
* The bigger your army, the more it costs to maintain over time, so the less income you get from your individual mines. You'll hit the population limits quite quickly if you try, too. So you can't just sit around amassing gold with a massive army and then launch wave after wave of attacks against your enemy.

Darkstar: There's more to this one than just pure gold and wood, though.

Darkstar
05-10-2002, 04:44:15
If you say so, Shining1. I just find any game with resources amounts to he who gets the mostest the bestest the fastest wins unless he pulls a Yin.

Venom, obviously not *anything* or you'd be happy with what you have.

Shining1
05-10-2002, 06:33:34
The issue with WarcraftIII is that the exponential 'BOOMING' curve is somewhat hampered by the 60% penalty you get to your resource gathering after you build more than 70 supply worth of stuff. So you're immediately faced with the choice as to whether you build up your army at top speed and start fighting (a larger army will usually defeat a smaller army unless there are high quality heroes around to turn the tide) or whether you hold off and let the gold roll in for a bit - but put yourself at a vulnerable low unit count.

It definitely throws a spanner in the works of anyone who's gameplan is to expand like crazy and build masses of units.

Also, it's called a rush. Best use that term because few other people in this thread than NLT will understand what you mean.

Darkstar
05-10-2002, 07:05:47
Rush implies to me an early attack, compared to what your gameplay strategy would dictate. An attack is an attack is an attack, after all.

So they slowed the speediest 'growth' wins with a 60% penalty over minimal harvesting and defense? Sounds a little more interesting...

Shining1
05-10-2002, 07:36:11
To me, a Rush is any attack designed to occur before the enemy is capable of defending themselves against it. So it might be a fleet of battlecruisers at 30 minutes into the game, the idea is still that your opponent shouldn't be ready to defend themselves if they play 'normally'.

There's a maximum supply limit of 90 in the game. Once you reach 41, you only receive 7 out of every 10 gold extracted from a mine. At 71, you only get 4 of every 10. So you need three mines just to keep up with a player who has only one but is under 40 supply.

If you stay under 40 supply and build three bases, you will of course be getting a massive amount of cash, but you'll be horribly vulnerable to attacks.

Darkstar
05-10-2002, 08:13:06
That's just a well planned attack, S1. :D

How costly is it to build an expansion base?

No longer Trippin
05-10-2002, 08:13:39
RTS just never really was my thing. I'm not meaning to bash it, as it is very successful as sales have shown, just that it seems to be whoever can click the combonations the fastest wins. True, it is the same with TBS, but you have time to think it out, it isnt necessary to hotkey everything and click kust as fast as an FPS.

I like FPS's, though my soldier of fortune cd got cracked, so I have part two, just not part one, so I can't reinstall SoF2. Medal of Honor was a good game, but it wared off, as did Wolfenstien. I've been in a void lately as well, just drifting from one game to the next when I have the time.

Shining1
05-10-2002, 09:13:44
DS: Yes, a special kind of well planned attack - a rush.

Your townhall and peasants cost 450 + 5*90, though that varies for the other races. It's usually the second most expensive item in the game.

NLT: I won't really dispute what you've said about RTS there (although having a good build order is far more key) but FPS games are far far worse for just clicking the combinations. At least when you take WarcraftIII compared to say UT2003.

If you can handle FPS, you can handle RTS.