View Full Version : If you liked Neuromancer (book and/or game)...

13-12-2001, 16:01:08
...you might find this interesting.


14-12-2001, 00:30:27
I didn't know they made a game out of this novel. I thought it was a really good book. Haven't read anything like it in ages.

14-12-2001, 13:59:14
The book was quite good, though I read it long after I'd read many of its successors so it didn't have quite the impact on me that it probably should have. Gibson's writing style is one of the most copied in the world and I had already grown tired of it before I'd ever read any actual Gibson.

The game was made in 1990 (and looks it), but was pretty well done and does a good job of capturing the feel of the novel. If you want to check it out, you can find it here:


14-12-2001, 14:00:42
I read the book and haven't read many of the books in the genre afterwards. Probably a good thing.

14-12-2001, 14:09:21
I would say so. Aside from Blade Runner and a few other notables, I have yet to see anyone do anything other than emulate Gibson. Cyberpunk has become a stereotype, the trappings of which are just a lazy writer's way of using shorthand to create a setting that the audience will know and think of as 'cool' without actually having to do anything original.

None of which actually detracts from Neuromancer, though. It's still a great book and a decent game.

14-12-2001, 15:22:55
You could kind of say the same thing of the small town of Bree in LoTR and the town in Star Wars 1 (full of dodgy bars and dens of inequity and thieves) also the term "dystopian" comes to mind.

14-12-2001, 17:04:35
Dystopian is definitely right, the Star Wars and LoTR bits, though, are stretching it a bit in my opinion.

To me, 'cyberpunk' is a book/story where it always rains, characters are all burned out/drunk/stoned losers, they all hang out in bars where people get hurt/killed a lot, there's lots of technology around, everybody speaks in short, profanity laden hipster-like sentence fragments with lots of abbreviations and slang words for genetic engineering/computer stuff.

Star Wars and LoTR just have the bar, the rest is missing. Lots of 'cyberpunk' novels are made up of nothing else.

15-12-2001, 10:28:19
Besides, those Aliens/Hobbits are too cute to be Cyberpunk:)

16-12-2001, 21:36:10
Blade Runner...

19-12-2001, 14:58:24
When i mentioned Star Wars and LoTR i meant them being well known 'types' in stories like the well known 'dystopian' type. Its not aytiomatically bad for a storyteller to use a well known type like that though, maybe they want the originality of the work to come in somewhere else. Alistair Reynolds book 'Revelation Space' for instance used the dystopian thing- and the reader already knows how to imagine that kind of setup- but he was very original in other parts of the story.

19-12-2001, 16:37:57
Okay, I understand now. You're right, SW and LotR are also both oft copied "types" that writers will emulate. And I agree that it is possible to do original work within someone else's framework (else there truly would be nothing new under the sun), however I've found it to be the exception rather than the rule that followers-on add anything new to the mix. Most just go "Wow! That's really cool!" and chuck out a carbon copy using their own characters. Which is one of the reasons (in my opinion) that sci-fi has a bad rap in the literary world as meaningless pulp.

Back on topic for a moment, I've now played the demo for Uplink and, while not exactly action packed, it is extremely engaging and quite a lot of fun. It's more of an interactive story than a game and very easy to get caught up in, though still open ended enough that you can go your own way and not feel bound in by the script, which will adapt to your actions. Also cool is that it is being published direct, so all copies bought put money right into the pockets of the developers.

20-12-2001, 21:28:12
Demo can be got here, by the way:


21-12-2001, 09:46:29
For the record I already had an Uplink thread on the go
here (http://www.counterglow.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=595) (which of course no one payed any attn to)... Luckily however RC will confirm that I never say "I told you so" and I don't like people who do...

21-12-2001, 16:31:36
The problem with your thread was that you actually talked about the game. Of course no one's going to respond to that! You'll notice that this thread has absolutely nothing at all do with Uplink, and as soon as I steered it back on topic, it died.

What did you think this was, anyway, a games forum? Sheesh!

21-12-2001, 16:43:34
I'm too confused by seeing two Guys to say anything.

21-12-2001, 16:56:28
What, you've never talked to yourself?

21-12-2001, 17:01:17
All the time. Often out loud in public.

22-12-2001, 07:01:49
lol, good point there G1 I never thought of that; these monkeys need to be manipulated, clearly, that is the key!


P.S. Get back to your Estonian Midget Porn, Hef; nobody asked you!