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Snapcase
05-08-2002, 20:12:22
Today I bought a 30-minute album and a 150-minute album.

Debaser
05-08-2002, 22:30:52
I bet the 30min album is amazing and the 150 minute album has 30 minutes of great tunes and two hours of shitty filler (Unless you've just got a compilation or something).

Nothing annoys me more* than a band who feel the need to literally fill up a CD.





*ok, somethings probably annoy me more

MattHiggs
05-08-2002, 22:36:51
I thought there was a law or something that forced albums to be at least 10 tracks?

Debaser
05-08-2002, 22:48:36
There are loads of laws like that (like a single can either have two different tracks, one with a remix, or 4 remixes of a single track) but you're not forced to obey them, you're just not chart eligable if you do.

Snapcase
06-08-2002, 09:28:32
The 30-minute album has ten tracks... And is indeed brilliant. :)

I've got a normal-length (45-60 mins) album that's only five tracks, cause one of them is 28 minutes long (Not as filler, as the main track). Does that make it ineligible?

What about EPs? I also bought a four-track EP while record shopping yesterday.

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I usually hate really, really, long albums, but all three I've got that are over one CD in length are quite good. Not very good, of course (you can't possibly output 150 minutes of great music at a time, it's a fucking superhuman task), but none of them contain more than, say, 40% filler. Which is more than I can say for quite a few of my 40-minute albums. :)

"Sandinista!" by The Clash is of course expansive, experimental and ridiculous, while at the same time containing nearly as strong song material as London Calling (that itself a fucking long album... Brimfull CD.)

"Songs in the Key of Life" by Stevie Wonder is a classic, but mostly fills out by making great three-minute songs into nine-minute songs, which is silly.

"Ghetto Dictionary: The Art of War/The Mystery" by Bounty Killer I just bought yesterday, but first impressions is that The Mystery is quite a brilliant album at a more modest 75 minutes, whereas The Art Of War is a concentrated 75-minute attack on all his fellow Dancehall Rappers, which goes from the asinine and homophobic to the sublime and immensely funny.

Lazarus and the Gimp
06-08-2002, 18:52:18
Was the 150-minute one Neil Young's "Decade"?

Snapcase
06-08-2002, 20:16:10
No, it was Bounty Killer's "Ghetto Dictionary: The Art of War/The Mystery", don't you read my posts?

Snapcase
06-08-2002, 20:16:36
Er, Own Goal.

Lazarus and the Gimp
06-08-2002, 21:11:23
Get "Decade" then. 13.99 for what was a triple album. It's brilliant.

Scabrous Birdseed
06-08-2002, 21:16:16
I'm building up my Neil Young collection at a rate of one album every three years at the moment, but I'm sure I'll get to it eventually. :D

Funkodrom
07-08-2002, 08:53:48
Saw him in the old days on TV the other day. He looks just like Gaz from Supergrass or vice versa.

Scabrous Birdseed
07-08-2002, 10:54:28
He's awesome. I still rate his appearance on Roskilde 2001 as the best concert I've ever been to. Also the longest at just under three hours.

Vincent
07-08-2002, 11:32:08
I got the Live Rust video, it's impressive, very weird

Lazarus and the Gimp
07-08-2002, 19:10:13
It's fab. All the roadies dressed up like Jawas.

Vincent
08-08-2002, 05:40:01
And the oversized equipment. Some nice ideas

Vincent
08-08-2002, 05:41:46
Interesting connection: in Stop Making Sense David Byrne wears that big suit, that makes him appear smaller.

Scabrous Birdseed
08-08-2002, 15:20:56
Look what you made me do.

I didn't buy "decade" (I glanced at the song listing and it seemed to be a compilation or a live album or possibly both, not a proper 150-minute album...), but I did buy "After the Gold Rush".

Sean
08-08-2002, 23:51:10
So mainstream.

Scabrous Birdseed
09-08-2002, 08:04:03
Oi, I could have bough Harvest! Okay, I already own Harvest. Er.

Vincent
09-08-2002, 09:03:42
Decade is some kind of best of compiled by NY himself around 1976. " CDs
It's amazing there are no remasters available. rumour says NY is working on that project for several years

PosterBoy
12-08-2002, 14:59:40
Arc/Weld is the best live stuff I have seen of NY

It was from the tour when he had Sonic youth supporting him.

That man produces some scary sounds and you can see why some labelled him as the Grandfather of Grunge.

Sean
28-08-2002, 14:43:06
I bought a 120 minute album yesterday. Lifeforms, by the Future Sound Of London. It’s all samples, but it’s utterly brilliant. And a bargain, too: a double CD for a fiver.

Provost Harrison
28-08-2002, 19:38:15
2 hours is way too long for an album. I think 40 minutes is the right length; anything over an hour is too long...although this is just ideally and I am not a stickler to it.

The shortest album I possess (classified as an album) is Lagwagon 'Lets Talk About Feelings' at 25 1/2 minutes...a little too short methinks, although earlier Bad Religion albums were damn short Suffer and No Control both being 27-28 minutes, but the brilliance of them makes up for it...they are short, snappy and fast...

Lazarus and the Gimp
28-08-2002, 19:47:04
Pixies "Come on Pilgrim" was about 22 minutes long, I believe.

Debaser
28-08-2002, 20:02:03
Come on Pilgrim wasn't an album, t'was only an ep.

Lazarus and the Gimp
28-08-2002, 21:06:55
8 tracks makes a big EP.

Lazarus and the Gimp
28-08-2002, 21:08:10
I bought it for 4.99 which was about normal album money at the time.

Provost Harrison
28-08-2002, 22:52:58
I have an 8 track EP somewhere around it, but on this kind of thing, the boundaries merge. I suppose it is a 'mini-album' :D

Sean
29-08-2002, 14:05:14
Originally posted by Provost Harrison
2 hours is way too long for an album. I think 40 minutes is the right length; anything over an hour is too long...although this is just ideally and I am not a stickler to it.
You just don’t have the patience that listening to a 120 minute album start to finish requires. Pussy.

Scabrous Birdseed
29-08-2002, 15:33:00
As long as it consists of kicking two-to-five minute tunes, like Ghetto Dictionary, I'm fine with it. I mean, since I'm willing to litsen to three 45-minute albums in a row, why not a two-hour album?

I'm not willing to litsen to ten-minute-plus atmospheric pieces unless they also are kicking tunes without any hooks being uneconomically and overepetetively used, a combination which is astoundingly rare. I mean, I'll listen to Autobahn but little else... :hmm:

Debaser
29-08-2002, 16:29:16
Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
I bought it for 4.99 which was about normal album money at the time.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/002-9871699-0238453
Look at item number 8. It's definately an Ep.

I think the Pet Shop Boys might have made a few albums that come in around the 25 minute mark. Disco and Introspective maybe?

Lazarus and the Gimp
29-08-2002, 19:05:43
Amazon weren't around in 1987 and it was marketed as an album.

Provost Harrison
29-08-2002, 23:50:01
Originally posted by Sean

You just don’t have the patience that listening to a 120 minute album start to finish requires. Pussy.

Well I like my music listening to be a pleasure, not a chore :p

Sean
30-08-2002, 00:07:10
Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Well I like my music listening to be a pleasure, not a chore :p
Yes, that was my point. It’s like saying you don’t want to watch a subtitled film because that would require effort.

Funkodrom
30-08-2002, 07:00:18
A lot of people do say that.

Sean
30-08-2002, 10:03:54
And they’re twats.

Scabrous Birdseed
30-08-2002, 10:25:47
The difference between the two being, of course, that popular music is at its peak when most accessible, while films are at their peak their most visually deep. If making a song longer allows a better economy of original hooks I'm all for it, but it's unlikely ever to happen... Instead long songs are almost without exception astoundingly uneconomical with their original hooks, usually relying on a very low number that are so overused they become painful, and then lots of atmospheric crap on top. Considerably more interesting hook material than in most 20-minute electronic tunes can in a song like "Hold On, I'm Comin'" by Sam and Dave be pressed into under three minutes, and with upwards of seven interesting things going on at the same time. That's what greatness in pop music is all about.

Sean
30-08-2002, 10:34:55
This only matters if you are actually counting hooks, though.

Scabrous Birdseed
30-08-2002, 10:52:14
Well, as far as I'm concerned good use of multi-layered original hooks where none are useless or lost is what matters for making pop music good, and the only factor I have so far been able to find which manages to incorporate both "TV Eye" and "Get Ur Freak On". 'Slike, you can analyse a picture's composition by looking at the histogram, but that's not actually what you enjoy about the picture.

Sean
30-08-2002, 10:58:22
But who said I was talking about pop music? Why would a pop album have tracks that merge into one another and be made from samples?

Scabrous Birdseed
30-08-2002, 11:45:18
So you're talking about classical music then. I'm sure you can find some joy in Stockhausen and Phillip Glass, but it's just not my thing.

Funkodrom
30-08-2002, 11:49:57
Classical music from samples? Interesting.

Scabrous Birdseed
30-08-2002, 11:56:17
Schtockhausen works extensively with samples and electronic equipment. Very Avant Garde.

Funkodrom
30-08-2002, 11:59:01
Oh.

Sean
30-08-2002, 12:12:59
Originally posted by Scabrous Birdseed
So you're talking about classical music then.
Only using a very strict definition. Besides, it was in the dance section :D.