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Roland
04-12-2001, 10:52:18
1. Buy what ?

Infogrames wil lrelease its official german version in March 2002, and I'm sure the translatuon will be as crappy as that for CIV II. (retranslated "We the wish wish that...").
So I guess I'll get the english version.

2. Buy when ?

Not sure whether stores will have the english version (need to check yet). I'm just wondering, do you expect the english version to trade at a discount soon ?

3. Buy at all ?

The reviews I've seen are quite mixed. Overall it looks more like CIV 2 1/3 than CIV 3... Of particular interest: has anyone beaten the hardest difficulty with less than 10 cities ?

Resource Consumer
04-12-2001, 10:59:36
I find it a struggle on the medium level, the AI is certianly better.

(then again SMAC was the only game I could beat)

Roland
04-12-2001, 11:03:13
How long have you been playing ?

Beating the CIV II AI (or rather, the AI cheats) was mostly a matter of experience...

Are you playing expansionist ? Micromanegement hell ?

Aredhran
04-12-2001, 11:11:52
Get some warez version now, and you can decide later whether you buy it or not.

While I could beat Civ2 consistently on Emperor, and most of the times on Deity, I got my ass kicked on the first game I tried on Regent (equivalent of Prince in Civ2)

Do not get any localized version of any game, ever - you will always get screwed when (or if) a patch comes out because it will either 1) not be translated 2) be poorly translated 2-3 months after release of the US patch

Roland
04-12-2001, 11:14:22
I've been avoiding warez so far, but maybe it's worth a try.

Any suggestion ?

"Do not get any localized version of any game, ever..."

Well it was no problem with civ2. Can't remember for SMAC...

C.G.B. Spender
04-12-2001, 11:32:12
The english version is available here, costs 88,- DM/45 EUR.

The localization of SMAC was quite good, especially the sound recordings.

Fistandantilus
04-12-2001, 13:41:05
Civ3 is much more difficult than Civ2 (and SMAC of course). The AI is much improved: knows how to attack on different continents, attacks your stategic resources, expand like crazy... in short it's obvious the effort made to improve the artificial idiot; even without cheating (on Regent) can sometimes be a worthy opponent.

The italian localization of SMAC was terrible, not only poorly translated (and I mean so bad it hurts) but it affected gameplay too. For example they screwed up with the keywords in the faction.txt so Morgan could actually go planned and so on. Go figure.

Not to mention the fact that the patch for the italian version went out 3 months after the english one...

MDA
04-12-2001, 14:18:38
First English patch should be out this week...

if that helps in making your decision.

AI is much improved, in case you haven't heard :)

I have heard of people beating the AI on deity/emperor using the trade bug, and trading their cities away to keep up in tech. I don't know how easy that is, even.

Roland
04-12-2001, 14:40:18
Originally posted by C.G.B. Spender
The english version is available here, costs 88,- DM/45 EUR.



Bei Media/Saturn ? Ist das die normale oder diese komische Zinnschachtel ?

C.G.B. Spender
05-12-2001, 13:55:59
Karstadt, beige/rosa Pappe

KAUFREGUNG BEI ... ! (http://www.karstadt.de/webapp/commerce/servlet/CategoryDisplay?cache=0_default&merchant_rn=2745&cgrfnbr=339352)

Roland
05-12-2001, 14:23:30
Danke.

Muss mal bei Media, Saturn, Kosmos oder sowas schauen.

C.G.B. Spender
05-12-2001, 14:59:39
Muß gleich sowieso zu Karstadt, könnte dir 1 Exempl mitbringen

Venom
05-12-2001, 15:07:51
I SUPPRESS YOU!

Roland
06-12-2001, 10:37:11
"Muß gleich sowieso zu Karstadt, könnte dir 1 Exempl mitbringen"

Darf ich darauf zurückkommen ? Ich glaub' nämlich der nächste Karstadt is in Rosenheim.... nichganssonah, obwohl ich da meine Nachbarn fragen könnte...

Aber zuerst schau ich mal bei unseren Läden.

PS: Danke für die PM. Jetzt bin ich am überlegen ob ich mich nicht doch abschrecken lasse...

Roland
06-12-2001, 10:42:23
Originally posted by Venom
I SUPPRESS YOU!

"Ich drück dich" ? War das nicht der dämliche Slogan den SAT1 mal hatte ?

C.G.B. Spender
06-12-2001, 11:17:43
Hatten die mal'n guten?

Roland
06-12-2001, 11:26:02
"powered by emotion"

Denn auch das ist eine e-motion: :vom:

C.G.B. Spender
06-12-2001, 11:34:38
"Hier schalt ich ab" wäre gut ...
Powered by a motion ...

Roland
07-12-2001, 09:57:41
Also ich hab mich entschlossen das Ding (civ3) zu kaufen. War gestern beim Media, wo ein pickelgesichtiges undefinierbares Etwas eine grandiose Zurschaustellung totalen Diletantentums gab. Sie haben's bestellt (1 Stück!?), nur wissen sie nicht genau was. Es kommt, aber sie wissen nicht genau wann. Es kostet, aber sie wissen nicht wieviel.

Ich lass es mir jetzt von der Schwester eines Spezi aus München schicken. Was'n Scheiss. Den launch hat Infogrames wirklich gigantisch verhaut.

C.G.B. Spender
07-12-2001, 09:59:05
Sind das nicht Franzosen (Infogrames, nicht die Münchner)?

Roland
07-12-2001, 10:00:57
Jo.

Außerdem, zu Napoleons Zeiten war die Propagandamär, dass Bayern und Franzosen verwandt sind, weil beides keltische Völker wären.

C.G.B. Spender
07-12-2001, 10:03:19
Ici sage man "Südlisch die Elbe, alles dasselbe"

Roland
07-12-2001, 10:04:57
Gar nich mal so falsch.... wenn die Elbe nich blöderweise primär mal von Süd nach Nord flösse (fließen würde ?). Flösse... gefällt mir....

C.G.B. Spender
07-12-2001, 10:05:48
Hier flösselt sie von Ost nach West

Roland
07-12-2001, 10:07:14
Bis zur Finnenalster ?

C.G.B. Spender
07-12-2001, 10:08:05
Die Alster fließt von Nord nach Süd-alors!

Roland
07-12-2001, 10:11:12
Alors - ist sie die Elbe.

C.G.B. Spender
07-12-2001, 10:14:15
Später mal. Für 88 DM bekommt man übrigens ein Handbuch und eine Papierhülle nebst CD. Für ein Juhelkäs für 1 DM war wohl kein Geld da (und für 89 DM hätte keine Ziffdrei gekauft)

Roland
07-12-2001, 10:16:50
Handbuch - wow
Papierhülle - irre
CD - fantastisch! Und so unerwartet....
Juhelkäs - häh ?

C.G.B. Spender
07-12-2001, 11:19:45
Na diese Plastikhüllen ...

Roland
07-12-2001, 11:22:38
Ach, ein CD-Kondom ?

C.G.B. Spender
07-12-2001, 11:28:41
soinnerart

Roland
07-12-2001, 11:31:17
Und wer is Juhel ?

C.G.B. Spender
07-12-2001, 11:39:33
Englisch. Juhelkäß, so heißen die Dinger. Hamsemahn Juhelkäß?

Darkstar
09-12-2001, 09:25:36
Actually, I don't think it's a DIFFICULT as Civ1 or Civ2. If you went Rush in Civ1, Civ1 wasn't very difficult either, and you can definately Rush in Civ3... as long as you don't have to depend on Galleys for your overseas invasions.

SMAC is just more FLEXIBLE, and the AI wasn't programmed to take advantage of the change of setting from Civ2. So, being able to do a wide range more of things in SMAC, and the AI only knowing pure Civ2 tactics, well... it's easier for everyone. ;)

But Civ3 is definately not as difficult as Civ2. It's built and optimized for the Rush/Darkside Builder strategies, AFAICT.

Liquid at home
10-12-2001, 06:14:56
I got Civ3 a couple of weeks ago... It's the main reason I haven't been online, outside or away from my desk. I'm only posting now because those damn Zulus kicked my ass. Civ 3 is dangerously addictive... BEWARE ROLAND !

Roland
10-12-2001, 12:21:37
DS:

"But Civ3 is definately not as difficult as Civ2. It's built and optimized for the Rush/Darkside Builder strategies, AFAICT."

On all difficulty levels ?

Liquid:

"Civ 3 is dangerously addictive... BEWARE ROLAND !"

I am afraid it is. But what would life be without drugs ? :D

Liquid at home
11-12-2001, 04:15:09
I can't remember :coolgrin:

Liquid at home
11-12-2001, 04:21:41
...So far I've only managed to beat Civ 3 on Regent (level 3). On all difficulty levels the AI produces much larger armies with a better spread of units than was the case in Civ 1 or 2. I can expect to out-tech the AI on the easier levels and keep par with it on Regent.

Tizzy
15-12-2001, 17:44:46
I got Civ 3 a few days ago.
Admittedly I've only played 2 (very quick :D) games so far, but I'm not impressed with what I've seen so far. I was expecting/hoping for something quite different to Civ 2, not another game with the same wonders doing the same things etc. I've read about some of the differences though, so I will persevere though, cos it appears it gets better once you get further on in the game?

Resource Consumer
16-12-2001, 01:27:22
If I was a really harsh and cynical person then I'd call it a pile of re-hashed shite that Firaxis did not even have the good grace to issue in a suitably protective format in the UK (i.e., wyhy mo decent case, SiD? Huh?)

But I am a nice guy and will not lead people to tendentious conclusions.

Firaxis = {moneygrabbingbastards}

I think Mr Reynolds saw through it.

Shining1
16-12-2001, 08:01:43
Given the number of top firaxians who walked, you might be right... although I really don't expect Brian to do much better. Same old problems - old school gamer, no new ideas.

Roland
17-12-2001, 10:16:20
Originally posted by Tizzy
I got Civ 3 a few days ago.
Admittedly I've only played 2 (very quick :D) games so far, but I'm not impressed with what I've seen so far. I was expecting/hoping for something quite different to Civ 2, not another game with the same wonders doing the same things etc. I've read about some of the differences though, so I will persevere though, cos it appears it gets better once you get further on in the game?

Actually I'd be happy with an improved CIV2, like no AI cheats, borders, a not-so-braindead economic model, etc etc...

For "different" in that genre, I wait for Colonization II ....

DaShi
17-12-2001, 11:37:09
Poly's become quite the warzone over this game. :) Personally, I have reached the point where I have no desire to buy it. It seems that Firaxis is doing an even worse job than they did with SMAC. I don't want another BnW.

Roland
17-12-2001, 12:01:11
Oddly enough I was quite happy with SMAC. It was CIV 2 1/4, now we get CIV 2 1/2....

In 2007, the real CIV III will be there.... :D

Darkstar
22-12-2001, 07:52:00
SMAC is a MUCH better game then Civ3, actually.

Civ3 is more of a CtP for Dummies then a worthy 'evolution'. I know that Trip likes Civ3's AI improvements, but they really aren't SIGNIFICANT.

The real main advance in the game is that thanks to the way you 'open up' the rest of the world for exploring/exploiting after you get real deep water travel, and the fact that the AI has to WAIT to go sailing like you do, you aren't facing off against all the AI at once. Just whoever is right by you. They WILL go to war if too much ICS is going on... and the AI plays extremely close to the MoO model now... ANY trade is considered great, war is in lots of series... You even have the MoO Human Trade Victory now... just trade like crazy with everyone, and they all like you so much, they won't war on you. You can eventually get the Diplomatic (Everyone votes you as world leader) victory easily doing that. WAY to easy. Makes me wonder where they got their AI from, considering... But there is nothing really NEW in Civ3, anywhere. Not one thing. They borrowed a few features from other games, CtP graphics, mix, stir, bake, sell. So if you are looking for a SIGNIFICANT step forward in Civ3, you are going to be VERY disappointed. If you expected Civ2 with a bit of SMAC and tossing in a couple of things from OTHER games, then Civ3 shouldn't disappoint you very much.

Vincent Fandango
22-12-2001, 09:44:29
What I hate about Civ 3 is, that it's incredibly "slow" or "clumsy" to play. And all the animations and the terrain doesn't look good, It's difficult for me to get an overview. I think Civ 1 was much more "staright", or abstract. You played on a real map, not on simulated terrain. It was definatly better, like a board game more than a simulation. The simulated terrain works better in RTS like AOK, it's not helpful for TBS.