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Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-06-2016, 06:22:30
That will be interesting. :bouncmsk:

Funko
24-06-2016, 09:14:36
I feel very sad today.

It's an odd situation many people genuinely happy that we've committed economic suicide.

Leave campaign have already backtracked on a lot of 'promises' e.g. we can give all the money we save to the NHS. Funnily enough the mostly pro-NHS privatisation leave camp have suddenly changed their tune on that already this morning.

Hoping for Boris + renegotiation + 2nd referendum.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-06-2016, 09:28:24
2nd referendum: Maybe, but might give another "leave"

Most likely: UK or what remains will stay in the EEA. Economic effects will be quite mild in that case. Problem: May cause other member states to look at "just EEA" option, so integrationists should block this. Just that I'm quite sure those whiny suckers won't have the balls for that.

MoSe
24-06-2016, 10:31:10
yesterday nite going to bed at 1am our local Brexit TV marathon was still saying polls/projections had Remain ahead 52%... :confused:

I didn't even bother to check till now :eek:

will this mean I'd have to get a visa next time I want to invade? ;)
not that I had it in my plans anyway

biggest impact for me will be probably regarding Fantasy Premier League

MoSe
24-06-2016, 10:40:17
Most likely: UK or what remains will stay in the EEA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area

:clueless:

revise this now

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Supranational_European_Bodies-en.svg

I ssay: put them out there with Kazakhstan! :p

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-06-2016, 10:56:23
Well, that's all quite simple.... :gasmaske:

Gary
24-06-2016, 11:32:34
Yay ! Freedom !

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-06-2016, 12:53:11
... is just another word for nothing left to lose....

jsorense
24-06-2016, 14:06:37
Time to visit England (GB no longer?) with the new v $ exchange rates.:gotit:

Gary
24-06-2016, 15:30:23
Agreed. And conversely everything to gain.

Agreed. Before they bounce all the way back. (The island is still Great Britain. Even if Scotland tries to run away again.)

Funko
24-06-2016, 15:52:09
2nd referendum: Maybe, but might give another "leave"

Most likely: UK or what remains will stay in the EEA. Economic effects will be quite mild in that case. Problem: May cause other member states to look at "just EEA" option, so integrationists should block this. Just that I'm quite sure those whiny suckers won't have the balls for that.

Yeah, I think we're in a really weak position now.

Numerous videos of people on the news saying they voted leave but are shocked the vote went leave and that Cameron left and regret it. Even more depressing.

Funko
24-06-2016, 15:55:50
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/i-really-regret-my-vote-now-the-brexit-voters-who-wish-theyd-voted-to-remain-a3280361.html

*sigh*

Gary
24-06-2016, 16:15:32
Oh ye of little faith.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-06-2016, 16:28:20
Yeah, I think we're in a really weak position now.



Not really. You just have to dress up Johnson as Erdogan, and Merkel will give him everything he wants.

C.G.B. Spender
24-06-2016, 19:16:51
Crap. Got the mobilization call today, there goes my new job. Fuelling up bombers and stuff. Fuck

Dyl Ulenspiegel
24-06-2016, 19:47:14
Ah, ze WAR again!

Koshko
24-06-2016, 19:59:09
Damn Brits leaving is gonna wreck the stock market for a bit.

Koshko
24-06-2016, 20:09:28
Brexit
Flex it
Bend it
Break it

RIP England

Nav
24-06-2016, 21:44:22
Sad day for sane non-xeonphobic pro-euro Brits.

Side effect, fall in Sterling causes Counterglow hosting costs to rise. EVERYONE IS BANNED! /note not asking for money here!

The Mad Monk
25-06-2016, 01:40:43
Yeah, I think we're in a really weak position now.

Numerous videos of people on the news saying they voted leave but are shocked the vote went leave and that Cameron left and regret it. Even more depressing.

Oerdin submitted a "workable" solution on Poly:


An alternative suggestion to help the UK get a better deal.

The two year time frame for an article 50 withdrawal does not start ticking until the UK submits papers saying it wants to withdraw yet any negotiations are likely to take longer than two years. Worse the European Commission has arrogantly declared they will not treat the UK fairly and that they wish to punish them for daring to say no to them. I believe an alternative approach is required to make them change their minds and insure the UK gets an over all better deal.

My suggestion is to not submit article 50 papers, to declare this will not be done until negotiations are completed on terms satisfactory to the UK. Further more, announce that the UK will veto absolutely every piece of legislation, I mean everything, until such a time as the UK gets an exit deal which is more advantageous to it than the current membership deal.

Bring the whole ****ing system to a stand still, make sure even the most basic day to day stuff no longer functions, and say it will all stop when we get what we want but until then **** the E. C. and its a total shut down. The best way to deal with a bully is to find something he values and then twist the knife until he agrees to stop bullying you.

I certainly believe this would bring about better results than asking pretty please while Junckers and his fellow **** stains scream never at the UK. If they truly do love Europe or even just their own power in Europe than eventually they will be forced to deal. Failing that just keep shitting in the punch bowl and pissing in the E. C. 's face until they eventually pay you to leave.

Just my $0.02 on hard negotiating tactics.



...all the UK needs to do is embrace its inner cunt!

Oerdin
25-06-2016, 05:58:38
Hey, with the European Commission talking about punishing the UK and making them an example so other countries do not follow then maybe a bit of hard ball is exactly what is needed? How would you prefer them to respond? Just accept the EC trying to fuck them over and not do anything about it?

You fight a bully by finding something they value and then being a cunt right back to them. By not submitting the article 50 papers until the EEA treaty is finalized the two year clock never starts ticking so that means the EC can't just wait the UK out and keep refusing everything.

The Mad Monk
25-06-2016, 12:26:51
Where's Zorba?

I know he read this, he's throwing a right fit over it at Poly right now. ;)

Dyl Ulenspiegel
25-06-2016, 19:20:24
Well, things aren't working like little Oerdin imagines.

First, only very few areas of EU legislation are subject to a "veto".

Second, if the UK does not start the Art 50 procedure, what's the point of the referendum? If they don't, nothing changes legally - just politically, the UK is completely isolated. Very easy for the EU-27 to sit this out.

Third, why should the other 27 states give the UK extra sausages when the UK has just effectively told them to fuck off?

Fourth, what is supposed ro be unfair? That you get membership privileges without membership obligations? Not going to happen, beats the whole idea.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
25-06-2016, 19:23:24
Ah yes, fifth: EEA would be funny. You get about half the goodies for 80% of the obligations. Only worthwhile if the shitheads triad of Merkel/Juncker/Schulz continue hellbent on promoting illegal immigration. But they will be history soon.

zmama
25-06-2016, 21:00:48
Who knew that Counterglow would be a haven of sanity?

Oerdin
25-06-2016, 21:03:29
Personally, I would have them delay until the EEA is fully spelled out then have a second vote. If they can get any concessions (such as requiring migrants to work full time for a year to gwt risidency before qualifying for social benefits) then so much the better.

That is a badly need reform in any event plus the EU benefits by not losing 20% of its budget so it is win-win.

jsorense
26-06-2016, 04:15:59
I don't know much but it seems to me that Russia is having a few chuckles over the Brexit. What a strategic windfall. :(

Oerdin
26-06-2016, 10:24:38
Where's Zorba?

I know he read this, he's throwing a right fit over it at Poly right now. ;)

Oh, yes, he was. Five or six posts in a row of unhinged word salad.

Oerdin
26-06-2016, 10:27:15
Ah yes, fifth: EEA would be funny. You get about half the goodies for 80% of the obligations. Only worthwhile if the shitheads triad of Merkel/Juncker/Schulz continue hellbent on promoting illegal promotion. But they will be history soon.

Given how poorly the EU economy is doing right now you'd think they wouldn't want to get into a protectionist trade war but I guess not judging by what people like the French Finance Minister have been saying.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
26-06-2016, 11:02:34
I meant illegal immigration, not promotion.

No EEA does not mean "trade war". For example, the EU has all kinds of bilateral agreements (Switzerland) or association agreements. If the UK would become a third country like say Mexico there would still be the WTO.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
26-06-2016, 11:03:33
Who knew that Counterglow would be a haven of sanity?

That's just relatively, to the rest of the madness. :eek:

C.G.B. Spender
26-06-2016, 15:27:34
The CG brits are no real brits. The constant german EU propaganda here - and cheap beer on the continent - has spoilt their common sense.
Every sane person must admit that being caught in a european trade network means death to the local financial industry. Also: stupid EU regulations like the recent banning of Glyphosate is a typical sign of EU fascism. It's only logical to give up the weak political influence the UK had in the EU - and to return to the powerful 20th century status (WW1, WW2, Falklands!).

jsorense
26-06-2016, 16:45:57
Time to dust off all of those invasion operational plans eh von Spender?

C.G.B. Spender
26-06-2016, 18:16:16
Hm? We own Europe, so what invasion plans?

zmama
26-06-2016, 18:41:01
Invade the pub!

paiktis
27-06-2016, 06:27:42
Is oerdin here talking his usual crap again?

paiktis
27-06-2016, 06:28:42
I only visited London when I was little.
It's time to go back and be at the "center of developments" :D

It is indeed sad but again not so much.

Now I'll make a cup of coffe and read dyl's comments

paiktis
27-06-2016, 06:30:46
Exactly what I said minus the immigration thing

paiktis
27-06-2016, 06:32:36
The CG brits are no real brits. The constant german EU propaganda here - and cheap beer on the continent - has spoilt their common sense.
Every sane person must admit that being caught in a european trade network means death to the local financial industry. Also: stupid EU regulations like the recent banning of Glyphosate is a typical sign of EU fascism. It's only logical to give up the weak political influence the UK had in the EU - and to return to the powerful 20th century status (WW1, WW2, Falklands!).

Falklands always sounded to me like faklands which I think is a more interesting name

paiktis
27-06-2016, 07:05:44
Now, if I may be so bold, that's not how you do a referendum.

Firstly, the referendum is never, ever about the question posed.

It's always about internal political struggles.

Having this as a basis,
Secondly you never put a concrete question in the poll.
You put something abstract and, basing this on the notorious contructive ambiguity of the EU, you can then manipulate the end result in the way that best fits your interests without having condemned the whole country.

Next, you need to have atleast 2000 years between the present and your most recent mega-power period. If it's only 60 years the mind gets fuzzied.

Politics.
Nothing concrete but the accusations.

mr_G
27-06-2016, 12:07:15
go away.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
27-06-2016, 12:39:28
Paikxit!

paiktis
27-06-2016, 13:58:01
I can't!

mr_G
27-06-2016, 14:10:54
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTi8rEtRQglfg5BQwkzWzYpBqp2HGbE0 mpeJXq2nXTc6Iw2s2UpLA

paiktis
27-06-2016, 14:26:12
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QDX64IflKqw/maxresdefault.jpg

paiktis
27-06-2016, 14:26:37
opps that got out larger than I thought

C.G.B. Spender
27-06-2016, 19:22:37
I say that all the time

jsorense
27-06-2016, 20:29:30
:lol:

MoSe
28-06-2016, 10:21:56
Invade the pub!

The Pubic War!

MoSe
28-06-2016, 10:37:35
go away.
Mari(n)e Le Pen wants Frexit
Salvini wants ESCITA (wait wasn't that a song contest? ;) )
mr_G wants Nexit, which would leave us with Belux (or maybe Flaned & Wallux)

Dyl Ulenspiegel
28-06-2016, 10:46:03
Well, Belux was the original Benelux.

zmama
28-06-2016, 13:44:52
Gay twats the lot of them

Dyl Ulenspiegel
28-06-2016, 14:14:34
That goes without saying.

Fistandantilus
28-06-2016, 15:20:20
Insulting everyone is Farage way of starting negotiations with the EU apparently. I like it.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
28-06-2016, 15:23:22
He should negotiate US membership for England with President Trump.

C.G.B. Spender
28-06-2016, 17:10:09
What's wrong being sexit?

zmama
28-06-2016, 20:35:02
Sexy better

Koshko
28-06-2016, 21:30:51
So this probably isn't a great time to invest in the Euro.

paiktis
28-06-2016, 21:32:01
one should only invest in lurv

Koshko
28-06-2016, 21:39:53
Well when the US inevitably elects Trump, our dollar is going to be all but worthless within weeks, so I was looking for some potential replacements. Sure the dollar is so closely connected to many countries that when we fall into the next Great Depression, we'll be taking many currencies with us ... But I still figure some will have to be less worthless than others.

jsorense
29-06-2016, 03:23:09
Buy gold. Better yet, buy my gold. :)

MoSe
29-06-2016, 06:16:43
Insulting everyone is Farage way of starting negotiations with the EU apparently. I like it.
that's a disfaraging remark ;)

Dyl Ulenspiegel
29-06-2016, 07:41:36
I always thought Farage is a portmanteau from farce and mirage.

zmama
29-06-2016, 14:10:05
Would be fine if he was a mirage

Dyl Ulenspiegel
29-06-2016, 15:04:05
He's just a symptom, anyway.

jsorense
29-06-2016, 16:18:01
What, then, is the disease and is there a cure? :confused:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
29-06-2016, 17:07:08
Disease: Leftism
Cure: Massive shift to the right by established parties to rebalance the political system

jsorense
29-06-2016, 17:19:05
:lol:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
29-06-2016, 17:51:18
Will happen, will work.

Koshko
29-06-2016, 19:32:41
Disease: Leftism
Cure: Massive shift to the right by established parties to rebalance the political system

Meh, the US did that years ago.

Koshko
29-06-2016, 19:34:15
Buy gold. Better yet, buy my gold. :)

Do you have gold on hand? It's doesn't really count if it's in Fort Knox ... assuming the US hasn't already sold it ... allegedly.

zmama
29-06-2016, 19:35:39
:cry:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
29-06-2016, 20:01:37
Meh, the US did that years ago.

Different setting. You have no established parties as in a parliamentary system to start with. Usually, you have no governing majority. But in Europe, a right wing populist party should not happen. That spectrum should be covered by the established right.

jsorense
30-06-2016, 03:03:20
Different setting. You have no established parties as in a parliamentary system to start with. Usually, you have no governing majority. But in Europe, a right wing populist party should not happen. That spectrum should be covered by the established right.

That makes no sense to me. Is your translator software on der fritz?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
30-06-2016, 05:29:23
Hans is the Schweinhund's name.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
30-06-2016, 08:46:17
Put in another way: How successful would Trump be if he had to
a) take over the opposition party and work as opposition leader, or
b) start a new party and run for parliament?

We had a similar situation just a few years ago when Stronach went into politics. It worked as a one man show to some extent, but his party and his ego attracted such a bunch of losers that the project imploded soon.

The other explanation: The general swing to the right has not gone far enough for the US electorate yet.

jsorense
30-06-2016, 09:11:28
The other explanation: The general swing to the right has not gone far enough for the US electorate yet.

My immediate response would be to disagree with this statement and cite the energy and relative success of Senator Sanders. However, after contemplating the depth and breadth of center-rightness of US "liberal" politicians I cannot disagree. I hope we prove to be better than that. :tizzy:

Funko
30-06-2016, 10:09:58
Ah yes, fifth: EEA would be funny. You get about half the goodies for 80% of the obligations.

Yeah, hilarious. :lol:

Funko
30-06-2016, 10:15:21
Basically all the deals available are shitter than what we had. So it's just about negotiating how much less relevant and how much poorer we are going to be from not much to massively.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
30-06-2016, 10:20:06
Sanders is mobilising a small fringe. Just like Corbyn.

Politicians and journalists, the two most retarded groups in society, think they can censor and educate everyone else. That can only go wrong. The customer is always right. And usually much more right-wing.

If all shops refuse to sell beer, all kinds of people will start making beer. And if pols and journs are trying to sell only pinko-leftist opinion, all kinds of loons and snake-oil sellers will take over politics and media work.

Funko
30-06-2016, 10:21:47
This explanation of what happened is literally perfect:

http://www.yomyomf.com/taiwans-version-of-what-brexit-means-for-everyone/

jsorense
30-06-2016, 10:58:26
MikeH, how, may I ask, did you happen upon that?

Funko
30-06-2016, 11:05:14
Someone shared it on Facebook.

jsorense
30-06-2016, 11:25:15
So, Boris bows out. What's his story, too much dirty laundry? ;)

Dyl Ulenspiegel
30-06-2016, 12:29:35
Guess he waits to be the successor to Cameron's successor.

Funko
30-06-2016, 13:03:23
Gove stabbed him in the back too.

Basically he never really wanted to be out and he burnt loads of bridges in his party who saw what he did as raw ambition.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
30-06-2016, 13:07:38
In the 15th century, that would have been a really bloody affair. And another Shakespeare.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
30-06-2016, 14:13:32
Btw, EEA is no option if the UK will not accept the free movement of workers. So might be more a pile of bilateral agreements like Switzerland.

Funko
30-06-2016, 16:03:18
We don't have any negotiators who can do the work. The departments which have all the work to do have been cut to bare bones by austerity and can't cope with the extra workload.

:lol:

We're fucking idiots.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
30-06-2016, 16:09:31
More lawyers!

Funko
30-06-2016, 16:12:07
As if things couldn't get worse

Koshko
30-06-2016, 19:44:53
If all shops refuse to sell beer, all kinds of people will start making beer.

Yet another thing the US tried back in the day.

paiktis
30-06-2016, 19:59:39
Disease: Leftism
Cure: Massive shift to the right by established parties to rebalance the political system

haha!
ANymore to the right and goosestepping will make you all fall down


disease: globalization
cure: political power

zmama
30-06-2016, 22:59:30
More lawyers!

More Shakespeare!

paiktis
30-06-2016, 23:18:24
I'm drunk and I have to get to an airplane in 24 hours after attending a baptism
europe all around wooooooooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSQ-6xU8mPA

paiktis
30-06-2016, 23:30:03
people believe in me
they are right but it's just out of curiosity I do things
I mean of course I'll do everything but I'm in just for the vibe

paiktis
30-06-2016, 23:33:47
viiiibe

Dyl Ulenspiegel
01-07-2016, 08:22:06
haha!
ANymore to the right and goosestepping will make you all fall down


disease: globalization
cure: political power

You suffer from a lack of historical perspective.

Even the so called conservatives in Europe are quite leftist on many issues. There is a lot of room for improvement.

The current leftist mainstream will not die, it will just more and more become the looney fringe. As for the current left fringe, I suggest strong tranquilizers.

Oerdin
01-07-2016, 10:38:01
I like flan.

paiktis
01-07-2016, 15:06:48
Nope.

I don't agree with that. But I'm too bored to explain.
If the conservatives are left wing is it because they don't want to do away with all the minorities?Is that a sign of left wingism?

Anyway, maybe some of the left wing is loonie however I think it's environmental more than anything

(see globalization above)

which makes it necessairy

Koshko
01-07-2016, 21:04:57
This argument is funny to 'Murica as your typical European "conservative" would be considered far left in the US.

jsorense
02-07-2016, 08:36:01
Tell that to Texas.:rolleyes:

Oerdin
02-07-2016, 20:09:55
So what are the odds no one ever decides to file article 50 papers?

C.G.B. Spender
02-07-2016, 21:24:20
72%

jsorense
03-07-2016, 00:51:18
00.00%

zmama
03-07-2016, 14:43:57
Hey MoSe we need a pie chart for this...or maybe just pie for everyone!

The Mad Monk
03-07-2016, 17:05:45
I like pie.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
03-07-2016, 17:24:01
This argument is funny to 'Murica as your typical European "conservative" would be considered far left in the US.

Well, centrist to left.

But the counterrevolution on social and cultural topics has just begun. Economywise, it's a bit further on.

paiktis
03-07-2016, 17:59:25
How many immigrants entered europe in 2016?
around 200.000? on a population of 500 million?

The reasons seem to be economic and purely economic (coupled with severe political shortsighness)

It's the economy stoopid! or more precisely how it is handled

paiktis
03-07-2016, 18:06:35
and counterevolution, really? :lol:
are your cities overun by the tens of thousands of extremely poor people?
I don't think so
:lol:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
03-07-2016, 20:11:39
"around 200.000?"

Way more than a million, and more invaders than refugees.

But that's just one piece of many.

jsorense
04-07-2016, 14:11:39
And another one bites the dust! :clueless:

zmama
04-07-2016, 22:14:26
Gone gone gone

Koshko
05-07-2016, 03:30:42
Have you Europeans tried to build a wall?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
05-07-2016, 06:21:27
Working on it. Mostly fences for now.

jsorense
05-07-2016, 12:48:28
"Good fences make good neighbors."
Robert Frost

jsorense
05-07-2016, 12:53:05
Yes, he is being ironic.

MoSe
05-07-2016, 16:11:27
Have you Europeans tried to build a wall? so that in 2 or 3 decades some english rock band can produce a piece of art about it

Dyl Ulenspiegel
05-07-2016, 16:46:57
"Good fences make good neighbors."
Robert Frost

It's not a neighbour problem.

I'd say good walls make good houses.

jsorense
05-07-2016, 23:44:19
Homelands ?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
06-07-2016, 05:37:10
Homelands?

MoSe
06-07-2016, 06:41:37
Homelands?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
06-07-2016, 08:40:04
home?
lands?

jsorense
06-07-2016, 15:09:46
You can't make me explain the subtle word play. :p

Dyl Ulenspiegel
06-07-2016, 18:11:19
Subtle, or senile.

jsorense
06-07-2016, 19:07:58
Subtle, or senile.

Not mutually exclusive.:clueless:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
06-07-2016, 19:28:31
True, true....

Koshko
06-07-2016, 19:47:51
Working on it. Mostly fences for now.

Good, because it's worked great for the US.

jsorense
07-07-2016, 01:43:19
Right! We never see illegal Canadians hanging around anymore.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
07-07-2016, 06:04:39
With open borders the situation would be much better, right.

Also, that's only one measure. Even more important:

no asylum
no welfare
internment of illegals
swift deportation