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zmama
25-08-2015, 15:29:02
Pitless or with the pit?

Funko
25-08-2015, 15:33:03
With the pits of hell

MOBIUS
25-08-2015, 16:13:09
A question worthy of pitting our wits against.

jsorense
25-08-2015, 17:18:50
Pity the poor fools.

The Mad Monk
25-08-2015, 19:30:44
that eat unpitted olives~!

Koshko
25-08-2015, 20:29:30
Neither. Olives taste terrible. I don't mind olive oil that much though.

paiktis
25-08-2015, 22:01:18
Pitless more convenient for sandwiches etc
with pit far more wholesome

Oerdin
25-08-2015, 22:56:38
It depends. On a pizza I want them sliced and depitted but in a greek pits are expected.

The Mad Monk
26-08-2015, 01:17:04
but in a greek pits are expected

...so you prefer your Greeks unpitted?

jsorense
26-08-2015, 04:11:34
:brown card:

MOBIUS
26-08-2015, 09:08:17
I know Oerdin doesn't like Greeks, but keeping them in pits is a bit extreme :drekkus:

Oerdin
26-08-2015, 19:00:33
...so you prefer your Greeks unpitted?

That was supposed to say a Greek salad and not just a Greek. :lol:

RedFred
28-08-2015, 06:00:27
Royal olives with the pit. Nothing better.

Oerdin
01-09-2015, 10:13:48
I like the garlic stuffed super queen green olives from the Santa Barbara Olive Company. Their process produces an especially mild tasting olive.


http://www.sbolive.com/default.aspx

The Mad Monk
01-09-2015, 15:04:20
They just taste mild compared to the garlic. :)

Oerdin
01-09-2015, 20:45:59
The garlic tastes good. As I learned as a young child olives off of the tree taste gross. There is a process which must be followed to make them edible. How good the process and the quality of the starting fruit determines of the final product tastes good or not. Just about all the olives from north Africa or Asia minor are crap, at least in my experience, Spain has a lot of medium quality olives, while Italy and Greece seem to have the process down and high quality fruit trees planted.

California came up with the process to mass produce black olives which taste good in the 1930's (it was a government funded program) while the green olive treating process was refined in the 1970's. California and Australia seem to be the only places right now supplying super queen (meaning the extra, extra large fruit) and having the modern process down to get that fruit tasting good.

The Mad Monk
02-09-2015, 01:09:19
Great, now you're making me want olives.

...and I just had cookies. :(

zmama
02-09-2015, 13:08:08
Here ya go!

http://www.vegkitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Fresh-olive-mix.jpg

The Mad Monk
02-09-2015, 14:40:26
:love:

jsorense
03-09-2015, 02:57:06
I hated olives as a kid. Something I have learned to appreciate.

MOBIUS
03-09-2015, 09:46:19
What, your hatred of olives as a kid?

jsorense
04-09-2015, 23:48:43
What, your hatred of olives as a kid?

Can't you understand American English? :tizzy:

MOBIUS
05-09-2015, 22:16:47
That you learned to appreciate your hatred? :drekkus:

MDA
05-09-2015, 23:17:53
use your hate to make you strong?

jsorense
06-09-2015, 03:03:04
I should have known there was a dark side to olives. :hmm:

The Mad Monk
06-09-2015, 03:19:31
Yeah, join the Kalamata side.

jsorense
06-09-2015, 19:31:10
You are my Nicoise like.

MOBIUS
07-09-2015, 10:21:58
Yeah, join the Kalamata side.

I would pit Halkidiki olives against those, had some delicious ones yesterday. :)

The Mad Monk
07-09-2015, 15:17:33
I see what you did there. :)

MOBIUS
07-09-2015, 15:23:34
Olive a good pun. :D

The Mad Monk
07-09-2015, 16:13:58
Let me know when you have one. :D

MOBIUS
07-09-2015, 16:16:26
Ouch!

Crushed like a cold pressed extra virgin... :(

paiktis
07-09-2015, 17:59:58
Kalamata are supposed to be the best (both oil and olives) and people from there gay. (with such good oil...)

paiktis
07-09-2015, 18:02:11
halkidiki is in MACEDONIA and they are better (in their heads) than all of greece. so even if all they have is an old roman ruin they think it's best than the eiffel tour, their city is far better than funds hogging athens and generally they are better. but they don't do anything. just sit there and say they are better.
since the rythmes in thessaloniki are much slower than in athens, they have dumbed it the "romantic city" where it is soul enticing to have a shag because the atmosphere inspires you.
most come from asia minor so they have amazing cuisine

and they have pretty good GREEn olives

oh yes. and their girls wear make up even to go to the grocery store and have an alarming percentage of high heels. very pretty indeed but insufferably preppy.

and they have made the whole country call their city "the co-capital" which I think is a worldwide noverty

The Mad Monk
07-09-2015, 18:57:27
Wasn't Constantinople a co-capital?

jsorense
07-09-2015, 19:49:18
Istanbul!

paiktis
07-09-2015, 22:29:33
No. constantinople was the Queen - city or the "reigning city"

thessaloniki was a major trading hub during byzantium and also in ottoman times while athens was reduced to a village.

it's just that they are very very proud and want their city named co-capital :D

the battle to name a capital was indeed between athens and constantinople (when that was an option and consideration, shorty after the liberation)

athenians badmouthed the constantinopolites of being too religious, sacrimonial and backward and representing the old status quo of vested interets with the high gate (the ottoman authority)

so those (both from abroad and inside) that were very much in favor of both ancient greece and modernity prefered athens, those that were very religious and byzantine-nostalgics prefered constantinople.

paiktis
07-09-2015, 22:40:01
thessalonike itslef was very multicultural. it took 3 balkan wars and 2 world wars to change its ethnic composition to what it is now.

since it was the scene of much of greece's defining moments (during the balkan wars, world wars), they are a bit um, "nationalistic" (or slightly more so that the average)


right after the initial liberation (which didnt include thessalonike) the ethnic composition was 50% greeks, and the others were turks, bulgarians, slavs and jewish people.

after its liberation the ethnic composition remained pretty much the same. actually it was a race to catpure the city between greeks and I think bulgarians or sebrs and the greek army got there first.

that's where the song free macedonia came from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpsBeCnsuJw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famous_Macedonia


then there was another war with turkey that greece lost that time.
an exchange of populations took place so all of asia minor hellenism got transported to macedonia and in particular thessaloniki.


This tipped the scales massively in favor of the greek ethnic element.

then of course WW2 happened and the germans didn't want jews so another change there. (the city was named second jerusalem because of a huge population of spanish jews)

then the civil war happened.

the communists lost but they were allied with the slavs of greek macedonia. they got expelled so the slav ethnic element left too. (and the communists)

so, generally, there have been a lot of changes there.

it is also the birthplace of ataturk, the founder of present turkey

The Mad Monk
07-09-2015, 23:55:31
Istanbul!

...not Constantinople?

Oerdin
08-09-2015, 01:07:14
I tried some salt cured olives once. They were kind of wrinkly.

The Mad Monk
08-09-2015, 04:04:51
Kinda like oil cured olives, in limited quantities. Kinda chewy.

MDA
08-09-2015, 22:15:59
...not Constantinople?

:lol:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
11-09-2015, 14:25:40
and they have made the whole country call their city "the co-capital" which I think is a worldwide noverty

Milan vs Rome, Zurich vs Bern, Barcelona vs Madrid may be similar.

Oerdin
11-09-2015, 16:53:59
I tried some garlic stuffed olives from the Mezzetta brand today but they weren't as good as the Santa Barbara Olive Co. I have become a big fan of the mixed olives sold at the deli counter of the local mideast market.

Finn Willi (5)
12-09-2015, 13:29:30
There's a lot of olives around these parts!

Stuffed with pickles is fun, too.

paiktis
12-09-2015, 14:19:26
I have gallons of kalamata oil that would cost around 200 euros but I payed only 50 because I have contacts. Harrr...

Finn Willi (5)
13-09-2015, 09:37:51
But what does one do with it?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
13-09-2015, 15:38:23
Something gay.

jsorense
13-09-2015, 20:41:06
Something gay.

It's Greek olive oil after all. :brwncard:

paiktis
14-09-2015, 10:23:34
Well it's not gallons it's 5 or 10 liters.
That's the storage for the whole year (almost).
You use it in everything.

The Mad Monk
14-09-2015, 14:06:27
It's Greek olive oil after all. :brwncard:

...

paiktis
14-09-2015, 20:09:59
It's extra virgin so it's top notch.
You use it everywhere as in salads, in cooking, frying, sweets everywhere :D

The Mad Monk
14-09-2015, 23:24:00
It's Extra Virgin so it's olive flavored. You would use olive flavor everywhere?

MDA
15-09-2015, 23:17:34
Lots of the stuff sold here is mostly cheaper oil spiked with a bit of olive oil and then just labeled as olive oil. It's not terrible, but it's not olive oil, and the flash point is not the same.

Oerdin
16-09-2015, 02:04:11
What he said.

jsorense
16-09-2015, 02:56:37
We buy a locally made olive oil. It is good and we cut out some of the adulteraring middle men. We hope.

The Mad Monk
16-09-2015, 16:32:38
adultery :hmm:

zmama
16-09-2015, 18:01:22
Shocked, shocked I tell you!

Dyl Ulenspiegel
16-09-2015, 18:33:09
It's Extra Virgin so it's olive flavored.

FDA standard?

Oerdin
16-09-2015, 19:32:15
We buy a locally made olive oil. It is good and we cut out some of the adulteraring middle men. We hope.

They have done purity tests and it appears Italy has rampant problems with fake olive oil. Buy domestic and you avoid the problem. Try California Olive Ranch brand sold at Trader Joe's as it has won numerous taste tests.

MDA
16-09-2015, 19:54:26
Stuff with the "California Olive Oil Council" seal on it is supposed to be the real thing. So sayeth Mrs. MDA.

The Mad Monk
16-09-2015, 20:56:22
FDA standard?

MDA standard. :coolgrin:

jsorense
16-09-2015, 22:55:33
MDA-deeelicious

Dyl Ulenspiegel
17-09-2015, 06:20:10
Stuff with the "California Olive Oil Council" seal on it is supposed to be the real thing. So sayeth Mrs. MDA.

Olivia Oil Council?

The Mad Monk
17-09-2015, 10:12:50
No, Olive Oyl Council

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/popeye/images/7/7a/Olive_Oyl.png/revision/latest?cb=20141106195348

C.G.B. Spender
17-09-2015, 10:37:10
Did not see that one coming ...

Dyl Ulenspiegel
17-09-2015, 12:26:42
Same thing.

zmama
17-09-2015, 18:11:35
All this oil, must be time for the greased pig race.

The Mad Monk
17-09-2015, 19:45:10
Well blow me down!

MDA
17-09-2015, 22:13:13
Popeye caused me to confuse Shelley Duvall with Shelley Long. I still feel terrible about that.

jsorense
18-09-2015, 03:18:12
Not Shelley Winters?

The Mad Monk
18-09-2015, 05:18:51
Or Johnathan Winters?

Oerdin
18-09-2015, 05:32:25
Not Shelley Winters?

If she were real I would totally do her.

MOBIUS
18-09-2015, 10:51:43
I had lots of lovely olives in Spain just now.

MOBIUS
18-09-2015, 10:52:25
This is an uncharacteristically active thread for CG :beer:

zmama
18-09-2015, 12:42:49
We are olive twats!

Finn Willi (5)
18-09-2015, 15:17:58
This thread is still olive? My, my.

zmama
18-09-2015, 15:35:52
The hills are OLIVE with the sound of moose sick.

MDA
18-09-2015, 19:12:30
Yaks?

MOBIUS
19-09-2015, 09:13:11
Olive puns!

A disaster, nay, a kalamata!

zmama
19-09-2015, 12:33:52
Kal a matta with you?

jsorense
19-09-2015, 21:41:29
Pitiful puns, just damn pitiful.

paiktis
19-09-2015, 21:46:06
veritable olive oil is smack in the center of correct mediteranean diet (with its well known benefits)
some anti-kalamatans used to say that pure virgin oil is too heavy for frying and lesser oils should be used but they are dufuses or motivated by the anti-true olive oil conspiracy.

In fact top notch olive oil breaks down to carcinogenic substances at the SLOWEST rate of any other oil. -FACT

So yeah. virgin olive oil everywhere! :D

paiktis
19-09-2015, 22:04:22
Also italians are known for taking greek pure olive oil (which is the best, with spanish coming second) and mixing it with lesser oils and selling it.
We should be doing the same but there is no second processing industry probably due to a combination of lack of vision and making all that subsidizing money into BMWs.
OTOH why not jsut sell 100% pure oil? It's the most expensive anyway.
Still not fine with turning agricultural subsidies into BMWs though.
Maybe... change crops or something

Oerdin
20-09-2015, 18:12:15
I was reading about a native American tribe in northern California which, a generation ago, lived in extreme poverty. Starting in the 1980's they got into casino gambling and made a lot of money but decided they needed to do something more sustainable than just run a casino. They got into agriculture, big time, with their pride and joy being turning much of the reservation into olive groves and building a state of the art oil pressing plant. They are the only native tribe to have gotten into olive oil but they are winning all sorts of awards and have some of the most expensive restaurants in the state as customers.

http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2014/12/07/california-foodways-native-american-tribe-bets-on-olive-oil

The Mad Monk
20-09-2015, 22:57:14
Interesting, I might just get the sampler! (http://www.sekahills.com/product/Seka-Hills-Sampler?pageID=D0FB6C11-C5DC-C075-E26E-E3287C191B33&sortBy=DisplayOrder&maxRows=22&)

Dyl Ulenspiegel
21-09-2015, 14:14:56
Also italians are known for taking greek pure olive oil (which is the best, with spanish coming second) and mixing it with lesser oils and selling it.
We should be doing the same but there is no second processing industry probably due to a combination of lack of vision and making all that subsidizing money into BMWs.
OTOH why not jsut sell 100% pure oil? It's the most expensive anyway.
Still not fine with turning agricultural subsidies into BMWs though.
Maybe... change crops or something

You need BMWs that run on olive oil.

The Mad Monk
21-09-2015, 17:59:46
Right now I'm noshing on Norwegian Lox on a demi baguette with sliced spicy marinated green olives and some EVOO as a dressing. Magnificent.

paiktis
21-09-2015, 18:17:35
You need BMWs that run on olive oil.

:lol:


As for the indians settling on a sedetary life...
how much more insult can they get?

zmama
23-09-2015, 18:36:37
The first day of Autumn, good day for olives!

zmama
23-09-2015, 18:40:58
http://www.delallo.com/files/calamataTapenade.jpg

Oerdin
24-09-2015, 19:12:20
Looks good. Now all we need is some crusty bread to spread it on.

MOBIUS
28-09-2015, 17:21:48
Mmm, crusty... :p

The Mad Monk
29-09-2015, 00:26:31
http://bzmedia.cz/fan/oi/oioi69/gallery/profile.default/390439.jpg

MDA
29-09-2015, 19:33:16
mmmm, Krusty burger

The Mad Monk
30-09-2015, 01:35:40
can't fall asleep clown will eat me
can't fall asleep clown will eat me
can't fall asleep clown will eat me
can't fall asleep clown will eat me
can't fall asleep clown will eat me
can't fall asleep clown will eat me

jsorense
30-09-2015, 02:25:17
It's true! :nervous:

C.G.B. Spender
01-10-2015, 19:15:47
Americans have an evil clown obsession - fact!

MDA
01-10-2015, 22:33:56
Clowns! Why did it have to be clowns?

Oerdin
01-10-2015, 22:37:17
Evil clowns. Very dangerous, you go first.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
02-10-2015, 06:10:36
Americans have an evil clown obsession - fact!

They tend to elect them as Presidents, even.

zmama
02-10-2015, 13:35:23
The clown car is looking very promising

jsorense
02-10-2015, 17:42:11
We Are All Bozos On This Bus!

zmama
02-10-2015, 18:28:22
lol Haven't thought of that one in years

MDA
02-10-2015, 19:49:55
Killer clowns, from outer space.

jsorense
04-10-2015, 03:49:57
I baught a zombie clown target once.

zmama
04-10-2015, 13:26:45
A Target run by zombie clowns! Kewl

jsorense
04-10-2015, 23:21:02
Call in Ash to clean it out.

The Mad Monk
05-10-2015, 01:15:17
Hail to the King, Baby!

jsorense
05-10-2015, 04:31:52
Gimme some sugar, baby.

MOBIUS
05-10-2015, 12:41:27
I want attention! :tizzy:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
05-10-2015, 15:33:09
You're qualified for the clown part, but your evilness still needs work.

zmama
05-10-2015, 17:04:15
Needs more olives

The Mad Monk
05-10-2015, 21:08:35
How about some oloves? (http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=oloves&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=45363635509&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4223767137753502015&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_781mwraj0n_e)First had them on a Continental (:()/United(:tizzy:) flight.

zmama
05-10-2015, 23:14:24
ummmm chili and oregano olives

Oerdin
06-10-2015, 07:41:51
I will have to try those. I have had chili olives before and found I did not like the combination despite liking both seporately.

The Mad Monk
06-10-2015, 13:23:36
Let them warm up first then!

zmama
06-10-2015, 13:40:59
Try them in a box, try them with a fox

Oerdin
06-10-2015, 17:41:07
http://time.com/3976500/spanish-olive-oil-shortage/

Olive oil shortage feared.

zmama
06-10-2015, 18:38:24
Oh noes!

The Mad Monk
06-10-2015, 19:23:49
Paiktis needs to stop hoarding! :tizzy:

MDA
06-10-2015, 22:27:14
stuff them with garlic... mmm

zmama
07-10-2015, 13:32:22
Tesco has um

http://img.tesco.com/Groceries/pi/567/0000010009567/IDShot_540x540.jpg

MDA
07-10-2015, 19:53:00
Awesome, let me grab my coat and passport!

jsorense
07-10-2015, 21:41:31
Check out that salt content. Wow.

zmama
07-10-2015, 23:19:37
Probably why olives taste so good.

jsorense
08-10-2015, 22:03:54
True

The Mad Monk
09-10-2015, 00:20:30
It's why olive oil is healthy, but olives ain't.

zmama
09-10-2015, 20:23:28
But soo good!

Oerdin
13-10-2015, 05:56:18
Tesco has um

http://img.tesco.com/Groceries/pi/567/0000010009567/IDShot_540x540.jpg

That looks yummy.

zmama
13-11-2015, 15:41:01
A beginner's guide to olive varieties. I want to taste them all :D

http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/guide-to-olive-varieties.html

http://www.seriouseats.com/images/2014/09/20140910-olives-vicky-wasik-12-taggiasca.jpg

MDA
13-11-2015, 17:48:15
I want those in my mouth! :lol:

Oerdin
14-11-2015, 03:25:51
So salty. :(

Oerdin
03-12-2015, 19:25:53
http://www.bestoliveoils.com/explore/country/

The best olive oils according to this year's contest in NYC.

jsorense
03-12-2015, 20:51:10
We only use Cali oil now.

The Mad Monk
04-12-2015, 04:05:33
Italy's in trouble. :( (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/world/europe/fear-of-ruin-as-disease-takes-hold-of-italys-olive-trees.html?_r=0)

Fear of Ruin as Disease Takes Hold of Italy’s Olive Trees

By JIM YARDLEYMAY 11, 2015
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Olive trees in Lecce, Italy, showed signs of infection by Xylella fastidiosa, which has destroyed citrus trees in Brazil and vineyards in California. Credit Davide Monteleone for The New York Times

RACALE, Italy — Across the stony heel of Italy, a peninsula ringed by the blue-green waters of the Mediterranean, olive trees have existed for centuries, shaping the landscape and producing some of the nation’s finest olive oils. Except now, many of the trees are dying.
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Sprinkled among the healthy trees are clusters of sick ones, denuded of leaves and standing like skeletons, their desiccated branches bereft of olives. The trees are succumbing to a bacterial outbreak that is sweeping across one of Italy’s most famous olive regions, as families who have manufactured olive oil for generations now fear ruin, even as officials in the rest of Europe fear a broader outbreak.

“It is devastating,” said Enzo Manni, the director of ACLI-Racale, an olive cooperative in the heart of the outbreak area. “It is apocalyptic. I compare it to an earthquake.”

Today, scientists estimate that one million olive trees in the peninsula, known as the Salento, are infected with the bacterium, Xylella fastidiosa, a figure that could rise rapidly.

By The New York Times

For Italy, which trails only Spain in annual olive oil production, the outbreak has forced a bitter bargain: To prevent the bacterium from spreading north, officials are trying to quarantine the outbreak in the lower half of the Salento, where most of the contaminated trees are, by carving a buffer zone that would serve as a sort of biological firebreak.

The Italian olive industry endured a terrible 2014 from bad weather and a nasty infestation of the olive fruit fly. But those are familiar problems. The bacterial outbreak — which is believed to have arrived with plants imported from Costa Rica and has already destroyed citrus trees in Brazil and vineyards in California — poses a new danger for all of European agriculture.

In Brussels, the European Commission has backed off earlier proposals to cull millions of trees in the Salento and instead endorsed the Italian buffer zone as well as other surveillance ones north of the peninsula. The commission is also expected to soon enact a policy that would demand swift culling in the case of any new outbreaks in other regions. And France has moved to protect its vineyards by banning the importation of certain species of plants from Puglia, the region of Italy that includes the Salento.

“The most important thing is that the disease doesn’t spread to the north,” Enrico Brivio, a European Commission spokesman, said. Of olive growers in the Salento, he added: “We sympathize with them. There are trees that have been there for hundreds of years. They are like monuments.”

To drive through the southern half of the Salento is to realize that the hardest-hit areas surround the coastal town of Gallipoli and radiate southward, toward Racale and then down to the tip of Italy. The bacterium steadily restricts water flow from the roots of a tree to its branches and leaves. The olives are not affected, but production gradually diminishes as a tree dies.

“It is like they have a slow stroke,” said Ettore, a local olive producer who would give only his first name because he did not want his company to be associated with the epidemic. “Slowly, it is as if the blood is no longer flowing, and the branches dry out and stop producing olives.”

Standing in the middle of a grove, Ettore, 32, and Mr. Manni, the co-op official, nodded toward a tree with a trunk easily 25 feet in circumference. It is called the Giant of Alliste, and local growers say it is 1,500 years old (a figure scientists say is unlikely). It appears healthy, except for one branch in which the leaves are reddened and curled, an early sign that the bacterium has struck.

Mr. Manni reached down into a patch of grass, picking through weeds until he pinched what appeared to be a glob of spit but was actually the protective casing for the nymph stage of the spittlebug. The spittlebugs will start flying this month and have served as a primary vector of the outbreak, chewing on the leaves of infected trees and then carrying the bacterium to other, healthy trees, like an unseen wildfire. Scientists say no one yet knows the extent of the outbreak because some infected trees may not yet be showing symptoms.

“There are many,” Mr. Manni said, pointing to a few globs in the grass. “Here, here.”

Italian officials, whom olive growers have blamed for reacting too slowly, have divided the affected region into quarantine areas, with the buffer zone extending across the peninsula. Infected trees and plants were supposed to be cut down in one of the quarantine areas north of the buffer zone, while growers in the contaminated region south of the buffer zone were supposed to prune infected trees and cut surrounding grasses to better control insects.

But last week, an Italian administrative court suspended olive tree culling in Puglia. Italy’s Agriculture Ministry has appealed the decision, and culling could resume soon.

Maurizio Martina, Italy’s agriculture minister, said that at most, about 35,000 trees could be uprooted under the government plan — of the estimated 11 million olive trees in the area. So far, the ministry said, officials had cut down only six trees, with farmers culling an additional 100 or so. But the culling numbers could grow far higher assuming the new court ruling is overturned.
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The bacterium Xylella fastidiosa, believed to have arrived in plants from Costa Rica, is leaving olive trees in the Salento barren. Officials are trying to keep the outbreak from spreading north. Credit Davide Monteleone for The New York Times

“This is a European emergency that we need to address with a uniform response,” Mr. Martina said in an emailed response to questions about the outbreak.

Scientists say a buffer zone may be useful but warn that simply cutting down infected trees will not solve the problem in southern Salento. “The only feasible option is coexistence — and to create an open sky laboratory in that area,” said Donato Boscia, a scientist at Italy’s National Research Council.

To some degree, Europe is simply now facing a problem long entrenched in the Americas. One recent study estimated that Pierce’s disease — a strain of Xylella that affects grapes and vineyards — costs California $104 million a year. Farmers in Brazil, which produces about 60 percent of the global juice supply, face similar problems.

“They have essentially learned to live with a very high prevalence of Xylella,” said Rodrigo Almeida, an associate professor of environmental science at University of California, Berkeley.

Professor Almeida, who visited the Salento in November 2013, said the genetic testing of the Italian strain showed a perfect match with a strain in Costa Rica — prompting scientists to hypothesize that the outbreak originated several years ago with imported plants.

Professor Almeida said the buffer zone was a “worthwhile idea” but warned that it was too soon to know how far north the bacterium had traveled. “It is difficult to know if it is going to work or not,” he said.

In southern Salento, growers are alarmed but determined to learn how to adapt to the presence of the bacterium. It takes seven years or longer for a new tree to begin producing olives, and farmers were initially furious at reports that the European Commission wanted to cut down a million or more trees, and possibly even healthy plants in proximity.

Growers note that about 10 percent of all olive trees in the southern part of the province are infected — meaning that about 10 million trees are still thought to be healthy.

“Our main goal is to save Salento from the bacteria,” said Giovanni Melcarne, a producer and head of a consortium of olive growers. “We need to coexist with it. Eradication is not a feasible goal.”

The other question is who will cover the economic losses for culled trees. Mr. Martina, the agriculture minister, recently said 11 million euros (about $12,260,800) would be made available to compensate growers. But the economic effect on Puglia could be much worse.

Most of all, olive growers fear that a way of life that has sustained generations could disappear. Already, production is dropping at many farms in the region.

“We are scared to go to the fields in the mornings,” said Pantaleo Piccinno, a major olive producer who is also president of the local branch of Coldiretti, one of the country’s largest farm associations.

“You leave in the afternoon, and everything looks normal. Then you return in the morning, and you see the first symptoms,” he continued.

“It’s going to get much worse.”

The Mad Monk
04-12-2015, 04:09:42
I first read about this in the November 2015 issue of Scientific American (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mistrust-of-scientists-is-allowing-the-xylella-bacterium-to-kill-italy-s-olive-trees/)


Mistrust of Scientists Is Allowing the Xylella Bacterium to Kill Italy's Olive Trees

Mistrust among growers and scientists may threaten Italy's olive groves more than the nasty bacterium they are fighting
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The legendary olive trees of Puglia produce some of the finest oil in the world. Thousands of farm families have pressed the fruits for generations. The trees' twisted trunks—some radiocarbon-dated at more than 2,500 years old—are as fundamental to the landscape here as the castles and the sea. They have persisted through centuries of invasions, wars, droughts and depressions. No matter how bad things have ever gotten, the orchards have always provided promise for the future. That's why the spontaneous death of these trees, presumably by a foreign bacterium called Xylella fastidiosa, feels like a black plague. Carried by insects, the bacterium has swept through grove after grove.

Authorities have reacted with extreme measures. On July 7, Giuseppe Silletti, head of the Puglia division of the State Forestry Corps and special commissioner in charge of eradicating Xylella, ordered two dozen of his men to sweep into an area with several small groves near Oria at 5 A.M. to cut down more than 40 olive-laden trees. They arrived, chain saws blaring, without warning any of the owners or the local mayor, Cosimo Ferretti. More than 30 special armed police, generally dispatched to control riots, arrived with them to hold back the farmers and their families and neighbors. The owners watched in horror while the uniformed men massacred the ancient trees and yanked the gnarled roots from the ground, as if to symbolize the destruction of the region's deep-rooted heritage. Angry residents raised their fists and screamed, “Murderers!” Two women in their 50s—third-generation growers who were infuriated that their orchards were among those being razed—began to hit the police and were escorted away.

The article goes on to note how the mistrust of science in Italy is causing the outbreak to be mishandled, with far too many tests being left undone and trees being culled without proof. This disease could end up being spread around the Mediterranean, including Spain and Greece.

C.G.B. Spender
04-12-2015, 12:18:49
A Target run by zombie clowns! Kewl

Good clown here

http://whitespider1066.com/?p=23

zmama
04-12-2015, 15:47:19
Rude clown too :lol:

Oerdin
05-12-2015, 04:05:24
We only use Cali oil now.

They have good ones from Oregon too. The domestic suppliers are all pretty good though California does have an extra layer of varification, tracking, and independent testing to make sure no one is trying to pull a fast one. The foreign stuff... The majority of it is just fake and what is in the bottle is normally not what the label says.

jsorense
06-12-2015, 17:32:51
Yeah, Cali is the future.
Now if we could only retire about 30 million guns. :(

Dyl Ulenspiegel
06-12-2015, 18:06:56
No more olive oil? That's so 488....

MoSe
10-12-2015, 16:55:13
must come up with a longer palindrome sentence centered on "evil olive"

Dyl Ulenspiegel
10-12-2015, 18:55:19
Or oval olive.

jsorense
10-12-2015, 18:59:48
peanut

The Mad Monk
10-12-2015, 19:41:03
What about a peanut?

http://www.counterglow.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3993&stc=1&d=1449776450

MDA
10-12-2015, 21:16:51
Stop that, I mean it!

jsorense
11-12-2015, 01:36:26
I second that emotion.

zmama
11-12-2015, 15:34:20
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