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zmama
26-03-2013, 15:50:27
"Creationist stakes $10,000 on contest between Bible and evolution
Creator of Literal Genesis Trial believes people who argue in favor of evolution are at a scientific disadvantage"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/25/creationist-trial-bible-genesis-evolution

Funko
26-03-2013, 16:02:27
Who is the judge going to be?

Funko
26-03-2013, 16:05:39
The onus is on the people making extraordinary claims to prove them, not others to disprove them. So the burden of proof is the wrong way round.

Like making a criminal suspect prove they didn't do something.

Funko
26-03-2013, 16:06:46
Mastropaolo believes that evolution cannot be proved scientifically

I am wondering how many experiments you could do in the period of the minitrial where something was visibly evolving during the trial... probably quite a lot.

zmama
26-03-2013, 16:11:14
Good question. Maybe one of those congressmen that are on the science committee and think evolution is wrong?

Funko
26-03-2013, 16:11:42
a June 2012 Gallup poll showed that 46% of Americans believed in a literal interpretation of the biblical version of creation

Depressing. :(

Lurker
26-03-2013, 16:12:27
You could evolve from sober to drunk, and then back again. Easy.

zmama
26-03-2013, 16:12:49
Could do bacterial study, they breed fast enough :D

Funko
26-03-2013, 16:13:19
Good question. Maybe one of those congressmen that are on the science committee and think evolution is wrong?

Neil deGrasse Tyson: 'The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.' :beer:

zmama
26-03-2013, 16:14:21
or or beer yeast!

zmama
26-03-2013, 16:14:58
Yeah that NdGT quote is one of my favorites :)

zmama
26-03-2013, 16:25:01
Ah, found the congressfella I was thinking of -

" Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) declared a holy war against anyone who doubted whether man and tyrannosaurus lived side by side.

“All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell, “I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old,”” "

Funko
26-03-2013, 16:38:01
And we can use Tyson's quote again.

zmama
26-03-2013, 16:49:58
hmm now I consider a tattoo!

MDA
26-03-2013, 17:06:12
Neil deGrasse Tyson: 'The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.' :beer:

That guy is great.

He was on Jon Stewart's Daily Show and criticized the show's globe graphic - it was spinning the wrong direction. :lol:

Funko
26-03-2013, 17:07:28
:lol:

Beta1
26-03-2013, 20:53:42
he would present the argument in favor of a literal interpretation of the creation story once he had found a willing scientist to argue that a non-literal interpretation of Genesis is more scientific.

WTF does that mean - why would anyone pro-evolution want to interpret genesis at all?

zmama
26-03-2013, 21:29:19
Maybe to show there are two creation stories? ;)

MDA
26-03-2013, 22:58:19
evolution and the genesis torpedo

JM^3
26-03-2013, 23:33:58
WTF does that mean - why would anyone pro-evolution want to interpret genesis at all?

Plenty of scientists (vast majority of which would be labels as pro-evolution) are Christian.

JM

JM^3
26-03-2013, 23:47:05
Currently when I talk to other Christians about Genesis, my position is that literal interpretation is wrong for reasons independent of modern science.

JM

Koshko
27-03-2013, 02:48:48
Depressing. :(

I really don't believe that poll at all. It had to have been greatly biased ... like featuring only members of a born-again assembly.

Koshko
27-03-2013, 02:57:53
WTF does that mean - why would anyone pro-evolution want to interpret genesis at all?


Actually a person doesn't even have to be pro-evolution to argue against the literal interpretation of the Bible. They just have to think on a symbolic level.

Poison Arrow Frog
27-03-2013, 06:30:32
Who is the judge going to be?

That's the key question isn't it? If it is someone fair, impartial, and educated then the religious fundamentalists are doomed but if it is a creationist then it's all just for show and not worth bothering about.

MDA
27-03-2013, 10:56:22
I really don't believe that poll at all. It had to have been greatly biased ... like featuring only members of a born-again assembly.

Most polls... yeah. The questions are horribly leading. It's probably easiest to predict the results by looking at who paid for the poll.

zmama
27-03-2013, 14:00:42
hmm guess I should have made this a poll!

Funko
27-03-2013, 14:14:06
Also the interpretation - some consternation here when a 'survey' reported that 4/5 of people in Britain believed in the power of prayer.

Turns out the question was "which of these things would you pray for?" one option was "I'd never pray" which got 19% of responses.

Of course there's nothing in the question to ask whether or not you would think praying for any of the options would work or not. So... er... yeah. Surveys Schmurveys.

mr_B
27-03-2013, 14:22:17
wot wot old chap

Funko
27-03-2013, 15:14:21
jj inderdeed

zmama
27-03-2013, 15:54:46
Pray for whirled peas!

Beta1
27-03-2013, 20:27:47
Plenty of scientists (vast majority of which would be labels as pro-evolution) are Christian.

JM

But equally a large amount are not christian (not just athiest but many other faiths) and so genesis wouldn't fit in their logic at all.

Does this guy only wants to debate with other christians?

zmama
27-03-2013, 20:39:03
The Pope could try, put that Jesuit education to work!

JM^3
27-03-2013, 20:43:05
But equally a large amount are not christian (not just athiest but many other faiths) and so genesis wouldn't fit in their logic at all.

Does this guy only wants to debate with other christians?

True.

But you asked why anyone who was pro-evolution would want to interpret genesis.

And I gave you a significant minority.

JM
(Abrahamic actually, for genesis)