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Beta1
11-03-2013, 18:24:46
Got called into see the Principle this morning.

Assumed it was a question about my department for the board meeting next week.

Instead she offered me the job of director of maths (as well as my current post as director of science...)

Never heard of two of the main departments being tied together like that - would put me with more influence over the school's results than most of the assistant principles - but also put my neck on the line for a department that is going tits up without a proper manager.

There's some unspecified extra money involved but I quite like my job at the moment and don't really need the extra cash... but equally its a hell of an career jump and would probably put me on assistant/vice principle levels in 2-3 years rather than 5-6...

opinions?

zmama
11-03-2013, 18:38:34
What extra duties would you have?

Not saying it would or would not be worth it! I guess it depends on whether you want to be a principal. I don't know how it is there but here in the Amuricas a principal rarely teaches, just administrates.

MDA
11-03-2013, 19:10:43
Nothing like rewarding good work with extra work!

Although, if you're getting paid for extra work, that's probably OK. :beer:


Beware, you who seek first and final principles...

mr_B
11-03-2013, 21:04:23
go for it

paiktis
11-03-2013, 21:42:04
The only worrying thing is that the dept goes tits up.
Usually in situations like that if shit hits the fan is the top guys that get beheaded.
Unless... they dutyfully follow the line of the administration.
IMO it's about how much risk you want to take.
If you're feeling good and strong right now, nail it!

Cheshire Cat
12-03-2013, 08:08:29
put me on assistant/vice principle levels in 2-3 years rather than 5-6...

opinions?


wouldn't you be required to be able to spell the name of the post you're going to get?

MDA
12-03-2013, 10:59:11
It not English department, is fine!

mr_B
12-03-2013, 11:31:41
:lol:

Funko
12-03-2013, 13:20:04
:lol:

how much extra money is a vital consideration I'd say.

If it's a bit more, might not be worth it, if it's a shitload more, might well be.

zmama
12-03-2013, 15:41:06
wouldn't you be required to be able to spell the name of the post you're going to get?


And here I was trying so hard not to say that! :D

MDA
12-03-2013, 16:33:56
You have to unload something to make room on the hard drive for a PhD. It's usually common sense, but sometimes spelling.

In this case, both, because he's in the abuse department looking for opinions.

zmama
12-03-2013, 17:28:59
Not real abuse, Venom hasn't weighed in yet! :beer:

Venom
12-03-2013, 18:14:05
You're an idiot if you even consider it.

Beta1
12-03-2013, 18:51:38
I think venom might actually be right.

Don't think the compensate for the amount of time its going to take - rather spend the time with my kids...

See you do get good advice here (sometimes)

Dyl Ulenspiegel
12-03-2013, 18:58:20
When you get a job offer that is unexpected, unusual and within a unit "that is going tits up" someone is trying to dump his shit on you.

MOBIUS
13-03-2013, 12:49:25
What Dyl and Venom said!

Venom
13-03-2013, 12:56:49
It's like this....

They're giving you 2 jobs, but not double the pay. So they're screwing you.
as the new head of 2 departments all political shit will be blamed on you so they can screw you.
They will expect you to do more work since you're the big shot with 2 jobs and extra pay, and they're lazy fuckers, so they can continue to screw you.


In short, this job immediately benefits everyone else, but only might, maybe help you in the future to the next job, which is the job you really want, not this job.

MDA
13-03-2013, 13:48:39
Peter principle applies if it's two whole jobs, no matter how good you are. It'll just wear you down slowly.

mr_B
13-03-2013, 21:05:06
asswaaips, is there anyone with ambition in this tralalalaforum?
jj i know the answertje

zmama
13-03-2013, 21:22:10
I have ambitions to bake a batch of cookies!

Poison Arrow Frog
14-03-2013, 02:42:17
Taking the extra duties might put you closer to getting promoted to a vice principle or principle position. I'd think real hard about taking it.

Funko
14-03-2013, 11:15:18
This is interesting - how to apply lessons from evidence based medicine in teaching.

http://media.education.gov.uk/assets/files/pdf/b/ben%20goldacre%20paper.pdf

zmama
14-03-2013, 13:18:36
Yeah just finished reading it. Good stuff!

paiktis
14-03-2013, 20:35:43
yep and sometimes, it's when things go tits up that opportunities present themselves.
you can go in and turn the whole thing around and be so more closer to your end goal faster.

although that "having more time with my kids" is a noble phrase and i respect that very much.



in their deathbed, do you know what peoples' most frequent regret is, as they expressed it themselves?

That they worked very much and didnt spend much time as they'd have liked with their family.

(fact)

Beta1
14-03-2013, 21:10:04
This is interesting - how to apply lessons from evidence based medicine in teaching.

http://media.education.gov.uk/assets/files/pdf/b/ben%20goldacre%20paper.pdf

Ben Goldacre - things would be a lot better all round if more people actually thought like him.

As for the job - going to stick with my current one, for all the previous reasons + the fact that it would just be better for me, the school and the students if they actually had a maths teacher running maths... Its not that I can't count but I dont have the right expertise to turn around a failing maths dept, if it was a science dept I could do it but this would be like sticking a load of politicians in charge of the economy and expecting it to suddenly improve....