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03-09-2012, 11:39:00
this was the final seeding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_UEFA_Champions_League_group_stage# Seeding


Pot 1 coef. Pot 2 coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
Chelsea (TH) Eng 135.882 Valencia Esp 89.837
FC Barcelona Esp 157.837 Benfica Por 87.069
Manchester United Eng 141.882 Shakhtar Donetsk Ukr 84.026
Bayern München Ger 133.037 Zenit St. Petersburg Rus 79.066
Real Madrid Esp 121.837 Schalke 04 Ger 78.037
Arsenal Eng 113.882 Manchester City Eng 63.882
FC Porto Por 98.069 Sporting Braga *4 Por 63.069
AC Milan Ita 89.996 Dinamo Kiev *3 Ukr 62.026

Pot 3 coef. Pot 4 coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
Olympiakos Piraeus Gre 61.420 Celtic *3 Sco 32.728
Ajax Ned 58.103 Borussia Dortmund Ger 31.037
Anderlecht *3 Bel 48.480 BATE Borisov ** Bls 29.641
Juventus Ita 46.996 Dinamo Zagreb ** Cro 24.774
Spartak Moscow *4 Rus 46.066 CFR Cluj *3 Rom 18.764
Paris Saint-Germain Fra 45.835 Málaga CF *4 Esp 16.837
Lille OSC *4 Fra 38.835 Montpellier Fra 11.835
Galatasaray Tur 38.310 FC Nordsjælland Den 8.005


In the end 3 unseeded teams made it thru the Playoffs: Lille, Cluj & Malaga.
You can see how a club may have a high coefficient due to good performances in recent seasons, but still have to go trhu 2 or 3 rounds because of a lower country ranking and/or league placement, while others with a low ranking only had to win the playoff.
Nordsjælland with the lowest coeff got in directly as Dane Champions, while København with positive recent experience and almost 6 times their coefficient, which made them PO-seeded, got eliminated by Lille.
Dinamo Kiev earned Pot 2 but had to play 2 rounds, whereas Malaga make their debut in Pot 4, but only needed to overcome Pana.
BATE and Zagreb had to play thru all 3 rounds.

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03-09-2012, 11:42:56
and here's the wiki link with the resumèe of the 8 Groups

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_UEFA_Champions_League#Group_stage


Group A coef. Group B coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
FC Porto Por 98.069 Arsenal Eng 113.882
Dinamo Kiev *3 Ukr 62.026 Schalke 04 Ger 78.037
Paris Saint-Germain Fra 45.835 Olympiakos Piraeus Gre 61.420
Dinamo Zagreb ** Cro 24.774 Montpellier Fra 11.835

Group C coef. Group D coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
AC Milan Ita 89.996 Real Madrid Esp 121.837
Zenit St. Petersburg Rus 79.066 Manchester City Eng 63.882
Anderlecht *3 Bel 48.480 Ajax Ned 58.103
Málaga CF *4 Esp 16.837 Borussia Dortmund Ger 31.037

Group E coef. Group F coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
Chelsea (TH) Eng 135.882 Bayern München Ger 133.037
Shakhtar Donetsk Ukr 84.026 Valencia Esp 89.837
Juventus Ita 46.996 Lille OSC *4 Fra 38.835
FC Nordsjælland Den 8.005 BATE Borisov ** Bls 29.641

Group G coef. Group H coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
FC Barcelona Esp 157.837 Manchester United Eng 141.882
Benfica Por 87.069 Sporting Braga *4 Por 63.069
Spartak Moscow *4 Rus 46.066 Galatasaray Tur 38.310
Celtic *3 Sco 32.728 CFR Cluj *3 Rom 18.764

maroule
04-09-2012, 09:01:36
PSG got very lucky, probably the very best draw they could hope for, esp considering Porto sold Hulk yesterday... I will be supporting them, which feels weird (supporting PSG for the last 10 years has been a fairly harsh experience, and certainly not one with Champ League football)

Man U also got Fergie's luck, while their hated cousins will be having it raw...

Fistandantilus
04-09-2012, 10:19:57
Money buys even Maroule :(

maroule
04-09-2012, 14:22:06
?

I've been a supporter of PSG for 20 years, even when they sucked hard balls, should I stop supporting them now that they have a chance of winning?

Besides, it's not even a subversion of the "traditionnal values of the club", since it was created in the 70s' by Daniel Hechter, who was very bling bling and nouveau riche... the club was never able to grow its own players, always buying outside (the Anelka saga was a symptom of that), so the qataris are the logical descendants... all for show, no substance... I'm fine with that...

Fistandantilus
04-09-2012, 14:32:22
?

I've been a supporter of PSG for 20 years, even when they sucked hard balls, should I stop supporting them now that they have a chance of winning?



Nope. You should stop supporting them now they became the ManCity of France, the winning part is ok :p

I thought you were the paladin of fair competition :cry: KG was right.

maroule
04-09-2012, 14:51:26
I still believe the Platini rules are the way to go, plus a salary cap NBA style...

but since then, well yeah... last year was difficult, when my hometown (Montpellier) won the Ligue 1 with a fraction of the budget of the number 2, my favorite club, now swelled by crazy stupid petrodollar money... talk about schizophrenia...

I still prefer the philosophy of Arsenal, but I will certainly enjoy the PSG magic circus this year, while pontificating against Chelsea, which I love to hate...

Funko
04-09-2012, 16:12:40
Chelsea are a poor club these days. ;)

maroule
05-09-2012, 09:30:22
yeah, they look impoverished in comparison,
still they again bought the best player in the french league, as they usually do (Drgba, Malouda, now Hazard)

Fistandantilus
07-09-2012, 07:22:24
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/sep/06/premier-league-salary-cap

Déjà vu

Funko
07-09-2012, 08:01:55
again.

maroule
07-09-2012, 10:25:06
the pressure is mounting, it's starting to be difficult to justify these salaries in a period of general austerity (cf the public reactions, including at Marca, to the Ronaldo whining about "how he was treated/how much he earnt")... if the US can do it, we communist lovers Eurotrash should be able to as well...

Funko
07-09-2012, 12:09:20
But people aren't cancelling their sky sports packages, so the TV revenue is maintained.

Billionaires aren't saying that they can't afford to spunk millions on their football club toys, in fact more are coming to play.

Premier league salary cap will be a great boost to the other European leagues, MLS, Asia etc.

maroule
10-09-2012, 08:28:08
I was talking of a salary cap everywhere, not just PL, obviously it should be a UEFA or FIFA decision... as for "other leagues" supposedly benefiting, like the US or Brazil, why not, there is no convincing argument to be made on the fact that talented brazilians should absolutely need to come play to Europe to have a career and a life... as Santos and others get richer, talented local players (like Neymar) will stay home, and it will mean more opportunities for home grown talent... I'm pretty sure viewers would still watch the PL if there were more local players...

Funko
10-09-2012, 08:34:01
It was poorly phrased but that last sentence wasn't meant as a criticism of the idea.

I just think it's impractical on many levels.

The percentage of income thing - I can see someone selling a special luxury corporate box in their stadium for £10m a game

maroule
10-09-2012, 09:21:47
on the %, you are refering to fair play rules a la Platini? I'm sure some will find creative ways to dodge the rule, but it's still necessary to implement it (same for the tax system, really)

Funko
10-09-2012, 09:38:53
Yes...

I don't know if we need financial fair play + wage cap though.