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Back!
17-02-2012, 12:01:34
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17053211

sorrry, it had to be done
;)

is the tide turning?
we'll see it next week in Naples

and all is not lost yet: remember La Coruρa, and Istanbul ! :p


in teh meanwhile, both Manchester sides found their proper league, winning away in Porto and Amsterdam
:D

Funko
17-02-2012, 12:20:58
It's definitely a big change from recent years. Probably a good thing. :beer:

Funko
17-02-2012, 12:22:35
Part of the reason the Premiership is so interesting this year is that we have the weakest ManU, Chelsea and Arsenal sides for many years.

between them they've won all the premiership titles except 1!

maroule
17-02-2012, 12:41:10
you get the feeling there are 2 top teams, real and barca, and all the others are second fiddle

I'd be happy to see Milan challenging that

Back!
17-02-2012, 13:09:56
if you have TWO top fiddles, all the others can be 3rd fiddle at best :p


AC Milan is much worse than you saw vs Gunners
their performance got enhanced by the opponent absolute lameness

- Ibra played for the team, which he normally never does
- the team supported Ibra decently, which normally never happens
- Robinho scored two goals (thanks to Ibra assists), and non-obvious ones, whereas he usually squanders dozens in front of an open goal
- on the downside he usually is one of the few who effectively works for the team, but now made greedy by the double scoring showed considerable egoism when he could have repaid Ibra

I am amazed they conceded no goals
I doubt they'll get to semis (unless they pick a french team ;))

I hope the draw will allow for a Real - Barηa final
(whether they'll then actually get there remains of course to be seen)

Back!
17-02-2012, 13:15:12
between them they've won all the premiership titles except 1!

I had to look it up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League#Foundation

Premier League champions
Season Champions
1992–93 Manchester United
1993–94 Manchester United
1994–95 Blackburn Rovers
1995–96 Manchester United
1996–97 Manchester United
1997–98 Arsenal
1998–99 Manchester United
1999–2000 Manchester United
2000–01 Manchester United
2001–02 Arsenal
2002–03 Manchester United
2003–04 Arsenal
2004–05 Chelsea
2005–06 Chelsea
2006–07 Manchester United
2007–08 Manchester United
2008–09 Manchester United
2009–10 Chelsea
2010–11 Manchester United

another interesting table a little below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League#.22Big_Four.22_dominance

Funko
17-02-2012, 13:35:52
This sentence is telling:

and, as of May 2011, 20 of the last 27 major domestic trophies have gone to either Stamford Bridge or Old Trafford

Back!
17-02-2012, 15:18:12
official threadjack

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions

30 seasons prior of Premiership

Season Team
1962–63 Everton
1963–64 Liverpool
1964–65 Manchester United
1965–66 Liverpool
1966–67 Manchester United
1967–68 Manchester City
1968–69 Leeds United
1969–70 Everton
1970–71 Arsenal
1971–72 Derby County
1972–73 Liverpool
1973–74 Leeds United
1974–75 Derby County
1975–76 Liverpool
1976–77 Liverpool
1977–78 Nottingham Forest
1978–79 Liverpool
1979–80 Liverpool
1980–81 Aston Villa
1981–82 Liverpool
1982–83 Liverpool
1983–84 Liverpool
1984–85 Everton
1985–86 Liverpool
1986–87 Everton
1987–88 Liverpool
1988–89 Arsenal
1989–90 Liverpool
1990–91 Arsenal
1991–92 Leeds United

13 Liverpool
4 Everton
3 Arsenal
3 Leeds United
2 Derby County
2 Manchester United
1 Manchester City
1 Aston Villa
1 Nottingham Forest

just as ManU are dominating Premiership (12/19, 63%),
Liverpool dominated the 30 seasons before (13/30, 43%)
over an 18-season span (73-90), Liverpool got 11/18, 61%

both got a 7/9 (Liverpool 76-84, ManU 93-01)
both got 3-in-a-row (Liverpool 82-84, ManU 99-01 & 07-09)
[as only Huddersfield Town 25-27 and Arsenal 33-35 had done before]


Liverpool last title was in 90, that's 21 complete seasons ago (and the open streak will get at 22)
ManU didn't win between 67 and 93, which were 25 seasons
Last ManCity title was in 68, if they win this year they'd end their dry spell at 43
They get gleefully mocked by ManU at that, but before Premiership the last league title won in Manchester went on the City side...

The other Liverpool side, Everton, who are 2nd with 4 wins in those 30 years, din't win tho between 70 and 85 (14 dry seasons), their last in 87

Arsenal didn't win between 71 and 89 (17 seasons)
astride the 2 leagues they have a 5/16 record from 89 to 04, that's 31%
(they also had a 5/8 from 31 to 38, 62.5%)

Chelsea maiden and only title was back in 1955, and they went 49 seasons without, before winning their 2nd in 2005

Fistandantilus
20-02-2012, 00:41:32
Arsθne Wenger has said Arsenal should regard qualifying for the Champions League as the same as winning a 'trophy'.


Ugh, it sounds like he's mocking his own team.

Back!
20-02-2012, 08:32:43
after Sunderland kickd'em out FA cup before QF, that's the only 'throphy' left to them
:D
at least, with a struggling Chelsea too, they have a chance to get to preliminary thru the league

unlike Inter who at 6pts behind preliminary berth (3rd place this year in SerieA), would have it easier getting in as holders...
:cute:

at least, Fist, your Spurs are currently closer to title (7 behind) than to go thru preliminary (10 ahead)
and unless they slip vs Stevenage (!) they have a nice path towards FA semis


BTW, 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th in PL are out of FA cup
3rd and 5th are by coincidence the only sides who have to replay

FA cup QF - with PL table ranking

7th Liverpool
13th Stoke

(3rd Spurs, or FL1 Stevenage)
19th Bolton


10th Everton
9th Sunderland

(5th Chelsea, or FLC B'ham City)
FLC Leicester

this is to point out that this season too, like in last one, 6th place in PL might not grant access to EL, with the 2 cup berths goint to lower-ranked teams

like, um, say...
Newcastle 4th to preliminary
Chelsea 5th to EL
Gunners 6th staying home
Liverpool 7th (orr... Cardiff!) to EL thru League Cup
Everton/Sunderland mid-table to EL thru FA Cup Final vs Spurs
:cute:

MOBIUS
21-02-2012, 11:43:32
Did someone say Cardiff...?:D

It's something like their 5th visit to Wembley in as many years - though that's including playoff games...

Only problem is that their league form has dipped since reaching the League Cup Final.

Back!
07-03-2012, 08:33:39
AC Milan is much worse than you saw vs Gunners
their performance got enhanced by the opponent absolute lameness

- Ibra played for the team, which he normally never does
- the team supported Ibra decently, which normally never happens
- Robinho scored two goals (thanks to Ibra assists), and non-obvious ones, whereas he usually squanders dozens in front of an open goal
- on the downside he usually is one of the few who effectively works for the team, but now made greedy by the double scoring showed considerable egoism when he could have repaid Ibra

I am amazed they conceded no goals
I doubt they'll get to semis (unless they pick a french team ;))


Arsθne Wenger has said Arsenal should regard qualifying for the Champions League as the same as winning a 'trophy'. Ugh, it sounds like he's mocking his own team.

LOL

all in all, over 180 minutes, we saw two poor teams, whimsical and fragile, who occasionally can string together a decent display only when a pathetic opponent kindly lays a red carpet for them

what's utterly amazing, it's how Gunners failed to put in the 4th in the whole 2nd half after they scored 3 in the first, and the redblacks were seeing LaCoruna and Istanbul ghosts all around tehm

Fistandantilus
07-03-2012, 11:14:40
Milan played better in the second half, at least they shook off that "who cares" attitude they had in the first 45.

MoSe
08-03-2012, 15:14:16
"who cares" attitude

as a fan, I'd have had a "hook hares" attitude, had they gone out!

http://www.headsandtails.co.uk/Fullmounts/images/Picture035.jpg

Back!
09-03-2012, 10:16:54
in teh meanwhile, both Manchester sides found their proper league, winning away in Porto and Amsterdam

OOPS!

EL Round of 16 too hard?

:D

Back!
22-03-2012, 09:12:32
at least, with a struggling Chelsea too, they have a chance to get to preliminary thru the league

at least, Fist, your Spurs are currently closer to title (7 behind) than to go thru preliminary (10 ahead)

like, um, say...
Newcastle 4th to preliminary
Chelsea 5th to EL
Gunners 6th staying home
Liverpool 7th (orr... Cardiff!) to EL thru League Cup
Everton/Sunderland mid-table to EL thru FA Cup Final vs Spurs


WOW!

Gunners have put together now a winning streak of 6 games!
They got 18pts in those games, vs Chelsea 7p and Spurs 5p!
They overtook Spurs for 3rd place when they were 12 adrift, and 5 behind Chelsea!

For sure getting out vs ACMilan has spurred them to this reaction!