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Beta1
15-02-2012, 19:08:23
Due to unexpected death of the Mazda6 sport on friday - not quite sure what happened but suspect a DPF fault polluting the oil causing engine damage... I now have a new (well new for me) car. 11 plate, 16K miles

http://www.bootsliners.co.uk/images/D/d-512-02.jpg

Except mines silver.

Not as nippy as the mazda as its a 1.8 petrol rather than a 2.0 Turbo diesel and its hideously inefficient around town (I mostly drive dual carriageways where its fine so don't really mind that).

But its seriously nice inside. Definitely the nicest car yet

(and it doesn't sound like its about to explode, unlike the mazda...)

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-02-2012, 19:19:16
Opel/Vauxhall Insignia?

MOBIUS
16-02-2012, 10:00:30
Don't know what I'll be getting tomorrow, it's always a surprise!

JM^3
16-02-2012, 12:17:51
I thought this was about Funko's little car.

JM

MDA
16-02-2012, 13:51:58
Bossman's little friend?

Funko
16-02-2012, 14:29:13
My car doesn't require enlargement!

MDA
16-02-2012, 14:35:11
I dunno. You seem awfully defensive.

Funko
16-02-2012, 15:48:13
It's because of my tiny willy.

Cheshire Cat
16-02-2012, 16:40:43
is it green too?

Lurker
16-02-2012, 16:54:24
Careful it doesn't get a flat.

Funko
16-02-2012, 17:16:27
I can always pump it back up.

Lurker
16-02-2012, 17:26:57
Gotta like that manual transmission.

Beta1
16-02-2012, 17:27:07
Opel/Vauxhall Insignia?

yeah - forgot to actually say what it was!

So far so good, its a bit of a slug compared to the mazda but its sooo comfortable.

According to the web its 0-16 and bhp is pretty much the same as the mazda - doesn't feel like it though. Not found any real acceleration at any point below 3000. Mazda would just kick in the turbo and send you from 40-60 very fast. This just cruises.

Might need to really kick it down a couple of gears and get the revs right up.

I don't usually drive like a knob - I would just like to know I can overtake things if I want to - so far that doesnt feel very likely.

Still love the car though.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
16-02-2012, 18:14:27
yeah - forgot to actually say what it was!


You'd make a great teacher.

Venom
16-02-2012, 21:25:53
You don't know terrible efficiency around the city my friend. You don't even know the half of it.

Beta1
16-02-2012, 22:34:55
You'd make a great teacher.

Gave you just enough to work it out for yourself...

MOBIUS
16-02-2012, 23:31:20
Hmm, just went through all my car hire receipts for the last year and worked out that we drove over 2K more miles than the last year when I owned a car, but for just under half the cost of owning one!:beer:

Cheshire Cat
17-02-2012, 10:04:37
how did you calculate the "cost of owning" you car for just the observation period?

I mean, did you just count your OPEX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_expense)?
(gasoline*, consumable, insurance, repair... costs you don't have to face individually when you rent a car)
Or did you sum in the cost you paid to buy it too?
In such case, did you count the WHOLE purchase cost, or did you consider just the depreciation charge for one year?
If you don't have an amortization schedule, in layman terms you should subtract from the purchase cost, the sum you'd get back by selling it back at the end of the year... (and divide by the years, if it's more than 1yr that you own it)

(*) remember also that
all my car hire receipts for the last year
car rental fees usually do *not* include gasoline
that is, you get it with full tank, you give it back with full tank or you pay the missing gasoline
so, you shouldn't count them in the comparison

Dyl Ulenspiegel
17-02-2012, 10:11:39
BAR! (Bald Accountants from Reading)

Cheshire Cat
17-02-2012, 10:16:23
one of my biggest pleasures is to quash enthusiasm caused by a superficial analysis

:cute:

Provost Harrison
17-02-2012, 11:05:15
Green cars are good, but green and black cars are the true way forward ;)

Provost Harrison
17-02-2012, 11:09:08
Yeah, a 1.8 litre in such a big car is going to be quite sluggish I would think. How much power? (or in Clarksonese: powaaaahhhhh!)

Lurker
17-02-2012, 15:20:37
one of my biggest pleasures is to quash enthusiasm caused by a superficial analysis

:cute:

I like this.

Funko
17-02-2012, 15:34:55
Yeah, a 1.8 litre in such a big car is going to be quite sluggish I would think. How much power? (or in Clarksonese: powaaaahhhhh!)

Totally adequate though, you planet raping bastard.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
17-02-2012, 15:42:57
Well, he's Keith, after all...

Funko
17-02-2012, 15:46:58
PHding a reply to PH. Counterglow gold.

Beta1
17-02-2012, 15:58:58
Yeah, a 1.8 litre in such a big car is going to be quite sluggish I would think. How much power? (or in Clarksonese: powaaaahhhhh!)

Claims to be 138 bhp - doesn't feel like it.

The power is there somewhere - just not in such big dollops as the Mazda which would go at pretty much any rev if you let it.

Cheshire Cat
17-02-2012, 17:01:15
Where's Keith?

Provost Harrison
17-02-2012, 17:40:17
Ah, 138bhp should be quite quick then...not spectacular but reasonable. But yeah, it was the same with my old Primera (2.2 diesel), you had to know where to use it. It was pretty crap around town in terms of pulling away (although that is diesels for you) but was pretty good on motorways. So perhaps you will do better with it on motorways.

And Mike :p Yeah, my car is quite quick but then again, it is quite light and is quite a fuel-efficient engine. Hardly costs any more than my previous diesel in terms of fuel though so can't grumble. Shame we have such stupid speed limits :p

Venom
17-02-2012, 17:46:56
Not enough torque man. Torque is where acceleration lives. Not horsepower. You need a lot of torque in a low to medium rev band, then you will accelerate and not look like you're driving miss daisy to buy new depends.

Lurker
17-02-2012, 17:49:37
but, but, but ...... she needs new depends.

zmama
17-02-2012, 19:14:13
This thread smells

MDA
17-02-2012, 20:48:21
like victory!

Beta1
17-02-2012, 21:11:27
Took it on the M40 today, definitely better there.

It does that thing where you don't think you are going fast when you are at 70mph but it feels like 50. Of course the fact that most things on the M40 are doing 90 contributes as well. Its pretty quiet inside which adds to the lack of drama.

Its just a different style - the mazda's TD sounded like it meant business and pulled fast at low revs. But wasn't very refined or smooth. This just purrs around sedately but in a way that leaves you quite content to purr.

Incidentally they also make a 250bhp 4WD 2.8T that will do 0-60in under 7 seconds and comfortably pass 150mph (if you are mental enough to want to do that in a mid range vauxhall saloon)

MOBIUS
17-02-2012, 21:18:58
how did you calculate the "cost of owning" you car for just the observation period?

I mean, did you just count your OPEX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_expense)?
(gasoline*, consumable, insurance, repair... costs you don't have to face individually when you rent a car)
Or did you sum in the cost you paid to buy it too?
In such case, did you count the WHOLE purchase cost, or did you consider just the depreciation charge for one year?
If you don't have an amortization schedule, in layman terms you should subtract from the purchase cost, the sum you'd get back by selling it back at the end of the year... (and divide by the years, if it's more than 1yr that you own it)

(*) remember also that

car rental fees usually do *not* include gasoline
that is, you get it with full tank, you give it back with full tank or you pay the missing gasoline
so, you shouldn't count them in the comparison

Actually it was basically just the running costs minus petrol of course(:p), in fact I didn't even both with the cost of the car either(:p:p:p)...

Maybe you were being pedantic with the petrol, but then that isn't a cost for owning a car, so I could just as pedantically hire a car and not drive it - therefore not needing to buy petrol.:D

Insurance, tax, MOT, average repairs/year = ~800

Car hire last year = 380

I worked out when I owned a car I virtual only drove it on the weekends as I live and work right in the centre of town. Weekends I can hire a car for 9.99/day + VAT. Most weekends we do hire a car, we actually have to come up with excuses to use it...

MOBIUS
17-02-2012, 21:22:53
Oh and another thing about hire cars: You can drive them the way you wouldn't drive your own car to eke out better performance - it's amazing how much acceleration and how fast you can get a tiny little 1.0 car to go if you thrash it in the lower gears...:cute:

Cheshire Cat
20-02-2012, 09:26:53
OK, you had your math right and avoided the gas pitfall too
:)

that's interesting
I checked a local popular rental (bit cheaper than AVIS or Hertz)

I could get over a weekend
Fiat Panda 20/day
Fiat Punto 22/day
Opel Corsa 25/day

I too was considering not buying a new car when mine will die, and just hire one when needed
yours are amazing figures indeed, I won't have the same margin but I might still spend less than owning one

true, you have the owning responsibilities and worries less
OTOH you have to cope with the hassle of having to pick it up and bring it back (if the h24 pickup point are not conveniently located), and of not being able to install and customise your own little quirks and commodities, as you each time get a new one (for instance, in Switzerland you pay the highway toll by applying a 32 sticker inside the windshield, you'd have to *add* that cost every new rental, if you hire it to go there...)

So, at ~10 a day, you could use a car 80 days a year and still break even vs owning one
Maybe with long-term hire I might get more convenient fares, but that would defeat the original purpose....

JM^3
20-02-2012, 09:33:40
I knew people in the US who did the 'hire every weekend' sort of thing.

Actually, I should have done that too, probably.

It was a bit more 'free' to own a car. And it would have been a good investment if it hadn't been wrecked (as I had a owned car which was in good shape and would have run for years...).

I ended up using a car many times when I could have used a bike or even walked.

But I did do a bit of 'I want to go there' and go, when I couldn't have done so walking or even with a bike. And sometimes this was at 1am or 11am (after deciding 15 minutes or an hour before hand).

So maybe a lot more 'free' to own a car.

JM

mr_B
20-02-2012, 10:05:00
http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/125/4506/8282647/7428-19-38812.jpg

Cheshire Cat
20-02-2012, 13:24:50
http://www.periodpaper.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/8022f01105bea4edf676ba39d5976c14/C/A/CARS6_068_1.JPG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Chevy_II_/_Nova

http://spanish.about.com/cs/culture/a/chevy_nova.htm

MDA
20-02-2012, 17:49:53
Nova, no va.

Provost Harrison
20-02-2012, 22:47:06
Better than Rolls Royce "Silber Mist" in Germany :D

MOBIUS
21-02-2012, 00:33:54
OK, you had your math right and avoided the gas pitfall too
:)

that's interesting
I checked a local popular rental (bit cheaper than AVIS or Hertz)

I could get over a weekend
Fiat Panda 20/day
Fiat Punto 22/day
Opel Corsa 25/day

I too was considering not buying a new car when mine will die, and just hire one when needed
yours are amazing figures indeed, I won't have the same margin but I might still spend less than owning one

true, you have the owning responsibilities and worries less
OTOH you have to cope with the hassle of having to pick it up and bring it back (if the h24 pickup point are not conveniently located), and of not being able to install and customise your own little quirks and commodities, as you each time get a new one (for instance, in Switzerland you pay the highway toll by applying a 32 sticker inside the windshield, you'd have to *add* that cost every new rental, if you hire it to go there...)

So, at ~10 a day, you could use a car 80 days a year and still break even vs owning one
Maybe with long-term hire I might get more convenient fares, but that would defeat the original purpose....

Well, Enterprise pick you up and drop you off as well, but then it's less than 10mins walk in any case. :)

As for the off the cuff stuff, I'm also a member of city car club where you can rent a car hourly for about 5.50/hr and there's one of those down the bottom of my street.

Remember, I live right in the centre of town so anything in Cardiff is a simple walk home and oftentimes you couldn't drive anyway...:beer:

The Mad Monk
23-02-2012, 20:42:14
(and it doesn't sound like its about to explode, unlike the mazda...)

A clue, perhaps?

Poison Arrow Frog
25-02-2012, 09:16:58
Yeah, a 1.8 litre in such a big car is going to be quite sluggish I would think. How much power? (or in Clarksonese: powaaaahhhhh!)

I don't think I'd go smaller than 3 liters these days and the last time I had a car with an engine as small as 1.8L was when I was 16.

Still, his new car looks very stylish and roomy.

Provost Harrison
25-02-2012, 10:45:39
Well it depends, my car is "only" a 2 litre but still gives 200-odd bhp.

Venom
25-02-2012, 15:36:39
Pussy

Funko
27-02-2012, 08:50:50
His car is also an extra in The Fast and Furious franchise.

Poison Arrow Frog
27-02-2012, 11:40:51
Don't bad mouth the green machine. It took a lot of guts to buy a car that looked like a week old dead frog. :p

MDA
27-02-2012, 11:58:13
My grandfather's Willys-Jeep truck was an extra in the late-80s remake of Night of the Living Dead. Lyta from B5 was in that movie.

was was

Provost Harrison
27-02-2012, 19:48:41
Hey, it's a good little car. I didn't quite feel ready for something completely boring yet...so why not? :)

Provost Harrison
27-02-2012, 19:49:37
My grandfather's Willys-Jeep truck was an extra in the late-80s remake of Night of the Living Dead. Lyta from B5 was in that movie.

was was

I don't wish to know about your grandfather's willy :p

MOBIUS
28-02-2012, 00:22:13
My grandfather's Willys-Jeep truck was an extra in the late-80s remake of Night of the Living Dead. Lyta from B5 was in that movie.

was was

I saw the original Mad Max car in OZ

OZ WOZ

MDA
28-02-2012, 04:04:33
<obligatory 7/10 rating joke for Night of the Living Dead>

Funko
28-02-2012, 08:53:01
My grandfather's Willys-Jeep truck was an extra in the late-80s remake of Night of the Living Dead. Lyta from B5 was in that movie.

was was

:beer:

Now that is a claim to fame.