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JM^3
15-02-2012, 10:43:49
In '00 or so I didn't like coffee, but I tried a mocha. Initially I thought it had too much coffee taste, but I enjoyed it (for the chocolate and the caffeine, I was just starting to use caffeine then).

I soon found that I enjoyed coffee. I would binge on it though, sometimes having two large mochas or a pot in a couple of hours, and other times having none. When I drank coffee I drank it black, I actually enjoyed it more than a fancy, sweet mocha usually.

In 2003 I think, I had just bought a fancy coffee maker which could make lattes/etc too, and then I started having high blood pressure problems and blamed caffeine partly. I cut way back on the caffeine and only consumed it at parties and while grading. I would still treat myself to mochas, but I cut way back on the coffee.

In 2006 I lost weight and stopped my medications (they were no longer necessary). I found that I had a significant sensitivity to caffeine, and would get jumpy off half a small cup of coffee (it would keep me wide awake, but I would be too wired to focus).

I used coffee rarely until I arrived in Sweden. There they drank coffee twice a day together. I would join in with just part of a cup (or sometimes tea) after lunch, and started taking milk with the coffee. Gradually I built up to a cup a day (or two small cups).

Now in Brussels, they have coffee in the morning and afternoon, but their creme doesn't need refrigerated. Instead, I have been taking a sugar with the coffee (well, last couple of days, I just arrived). I am up to two small cups a day.

What is happening to me? Have I gone full circle?

JM

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-02-2012, 11:17:22
I looked up what a mocha is.

Why are you talking about coffee?

MDA
15-02-2012, 11:54:32
because it's second only to beer?

I started using in grad school and rapidly progressed to anti-Scorchbucks lunatic.

Immoral Wombat
15-02-2012, 12:07:03
I just downed me a triple espresso fortified with a wee dram from my hip flask. Hair of the wombat and all that!:beer:

MoSe
15-02-2012, 12:24:20
lol

JM, I also went thru considerable changes in my coffe habits :-)
I'll try to make it short, as you won't be sure interested in waswas

I'm Italian, and I don't actually *like* espresso
I always took it for the caffeine
when I take it, I try to have it "lungo" (long), that is almost a full small cup, instead of a half small cup you usually get here for a normal espresso - at least I can enjoy 3 or 4 sips, instead of a hasty single gulp

In the recent years we saw an increase in the share of consumers going for American Coffee at the bar, but still marginal

I myself don't like espresso, but neither american, and leave alone french or german <shudder>
I really much prefer a good full mug of ENGLISH style coffee!
A fine brew, not a forced steam extrusion. And not a dirty sock infusion like in the abovementioned other countries.
Am I a renegade traitor? oh well

I started having high blood pressure problems and blamed caffeine partly.
I see, I had serious hypertension problems myself, and of course the paramount factors are salt, smoke, overweight, sedentariness. Doctors advise to reduce caffeine consumption too, but I take 2-3 "espresso lungo" a day in workdays, and it was OK with them.
I'd weigh it less than 10% as a factor

Fistandantilus
15-02-2012, 13:30:12
I do not drink coffee at all but jesjes you are a renegade traitor.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-02-2012, 13:44:13
Almost a verraderje.

Funko
15-02-2012, 13:44:59
I had to look up what a mocha is too. One of those coffee milkshake type things you get at American coffee places.

It's probably the amount of fat and sugar in those that are more problematic than the caffeine.

Espresso FTW.

Funko
15-02-2012, 13:45:36
Except 95% of the time I'll have tea which totally PWNs coffee.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-02-2012, 13:46:26
Caffè corretto for me.

Funko
15-02-2012, 13:50:40
Is that where they stick a mozart ball in it?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
15-02-2012, 13:58:43
No, that would be a Caffè fan tutte.

Cheshire Cat
15-02-2012, 14:01:17
bah!

KAHLUA!

or this!!!
http://spiritsreview.com/reviews-liqueur-illy.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_liqueurs#Coffee_liqueurs

MDA
15-02-2012, 14:06:04
regular american cup, straight with an optional pinch of sugar (more if it's scorched)

Sumatra mandheling and Indian monsooned are my current likes.

edit: and straight in a coffee house means with milk, doesn't it? I don't know the lingo. I meant with nothing in it. Straight black coffee.

MOBIUS
15-02-2012, 14:44:34
No, that would be a Caffè fan tutte.

:lol:

I think as long as you're aware of the various pitfalls of coffee, it's ok to have it in moderation, which depends on the type you're having.

For example, the perfectly good instant stuff we have over here seems fairly weak in the caffeine dept and I usually get through at least 4 during a day at work. But if we go for the percolator stuff for an extra hit, I couldn't do more than a couple at the most in a day!

An interesting health issue I noticed apart from sugar, which I don't take any more, was the milk. I found that even cutting out the small amount I was taking, had a small but significant effect on my overall weight. Not that I always have black now, in fact I mostly take my coffee with milk because I know that I can take it away again if I need to, which I suppose is a funny kind of logic...

As for the coffee shop stuff, I've decided after my travels that we are extremely lucky here in the UK! In the main, to my tastes at least, it is far superior to most of the rest of the world and usually reasonably priced too!

I was in Paris last month and 5 Euros seemed the norm for a not very big and distinctly average cup of coffee. Italy was quite shocking too, though the further south you go, the better and more reasonably priced the coffee it - Naples saved Italy in that dept as far as I was concerned!

I just recently got one of those Nespresso machines, and I have to say I'm really impressed. I thought it was a bit of a gimmick but they're really good and certainly solve storage issues if you're not a regular - or at least high volume - drinker. It's no surprise they have dept stores all over Europe because of that! Interestingly, Nespresso hasn't really penetrated the UK market yet - but maybe that's because we actually have decent coffee at decent prices here!

Oh, and last I remember, the best coffee chain in the whole of the UK was Coffee #1, though maybe that was last year - based here in little old Cardiff...:D

Funko
15-02-2012, 15:00:32
For example, the perfectly good instant stuff we have over here

:confused:

MDA
15-02-2012, 15:02:43
I thought the instant stuff was actually chicory.

Fistandantilus
15-02-2012, 15:23:39
Except 95% of the time I'll have tea which totally PWNs coffee.

- FACT

Funko
15-02-2012, 15:24:25
What kind of Italian are you?!

JM^3
15-02-2012, 16:02:09
I looked up what a mocha is.

Why are you talking about coffee?

It is how I started.

I had progressed to mostly black coffee by 2002.

JM

JM^3
15-02-2012, 16:05:09
I see, I had serious hypertension problems myself, and of course the paramount factors are salt, smoke, overweight, sedentariness. Doctors advise to reduce caffeine consumption too, but I take 2-3 "espresso lungo" a day in workdays, and it was OK with them.
I'd weigh it less than 10% as a factor

For me the biggest factor is being above 200 lbs and being sedentary.

If I am active and weigh less than 190 lbs I have no blood pressure problems at all (and medication is if anything harmful).

JM

JM^3
15-02-2012, 16:07:26
Except 95% of the time I'll have tea which totally PWNs coffee.

I have often preferred tea also, and it's effects are a lot more even than coffee.

But when I start drinking coffee, I prefer it.... and often it is easier to get coffee than tea (at least, for the nice coffee machines in the physics buildings).

JM

JM^3
15-02-2012, 16:08:59
My experience is that the pacific northwest is the best place for coffee, but there is still the fascination with what I think of now as dessert drinks (mochas/etc).

JM

Fistandantilus
15-02-2012, 16:12:39
What kind of Italian are you?!

I dunno, judging by the numbers of Wilshere jerseys I saw during lunch pause this could very well be London.

MOBIUS
15-02-2012, 17:27:19
:confused:

In that I also like the taste of it, as long as it's decent instant...:clueless:

Talking of teas, there's a great place in Cardiff I frequent called The Waterloo Gardens Teahouse!:beer:

Funko
15-02-2012, 17:29:34
Coffee/Tea out is so expensive these days you might as well go for a pint.

Cheshire Cat
15-02-2012, 17:32:01
:hmm:

tea - water - loo

in teh same sentence?

JM^3
15-02-2012, 17:51:14
Coffee/Tea out is so expensive these days you might as well go for a pint.

I am more functional on 2 pints than on 2 coffees too.

:)

JM
(But with my current alcohol consumption I am not functional on 3 pints.)
((And I am in Brussels, with my favorite beers!!)
((And I am poor. :( ))

RedFred
16-02-2012, 05:55:43
What I got out of your first post is that mocha is like a gateway drug... ...likely to lead to the harder stuff later on.

I am a chai drinker. Pity that when the British sailed the long trip back from India, they forgot almost all the ingredients for brewing a good cup of chai except for the tea and water.

JM^3
16-02-2012, 06:37:15
Chai was my gateway to traditional tea (well, and a desire for caffeine) and is still one of m favorite ways to drink it.

JM

JM^3
16-02-2012, 06:39:05
Do you do it the way of boiling milk with tea leaves, spices, and sugar?

JM
(A common indian way introduced to me by one of my roommates.)

Funko
16-02-2012, 10:37:53
We got ridiculed by a guy at a chinese tea tasting place in San Francisco for our English tea ways.

And also because when he asked us "What kind of tea do you like" we didn't have a clue. that's why we were there!

It was awesome though. :beer:

zmama
16-02-2012, 12:26:10
fhdCslFcKFU

MDA
16-02-2012, 14:01:00
for reals?

Lurker
16-02-2012, 15:43:45
I was in Paris last month and 5 Euros seemed the norm for a not very big and distinctly average cup of coffee.


Holy hell, makes Starbucks seem a bargain.

Funko
16-02-2012, 15:47:53
Fuck Paris.

Lurker
16-02-2012, 16:15:09
Why not, everyone else has.

Funko
16-02-2012, 16:24:06
Fuck Agamemnon

JM^3
16-02-2012, 16:24:06
Actually, the place where I got the best coffee I have gotten in europe (it might have been heavily influenced by the setting, a beautiful park on a nice day in the fall) was in Brussels.

I intend to go back.

Paris coffee experience was worse, but still good (and expensive, as noted). It was raining and I was a bit miserable after 7 days of only using vibram finger shoes (mostly in the rain) when I visited the Paris coffee shops.

JM

MOBIUS
16-02-2012, 20:41:24
My best European coffee experiences are:

Lisbon: loads of very old cafes selling really good coffees and pastries at extremely reasonable prices

Bucharest: Really good coffee at chic new cafes for reasonable prices

MDA
16-02-2012, 21:19:40
Vlad's Coffee House

You like the coffee, yes? YES?

Venom
16-02-2012, 21:29:21
God damn...this thread sure is riveting. And by riveting I mean I couldn't even make it through the first post. Fuck this thread right in the ear, god dammit.

JM^3
17-02-2012, 02:25:37
The first post is the worse one, luckily the thread was saved!

JM

Funko
17-02-2012, 08:54:52
In Brussels we had a waiter who called us stupid English motherfuckers in French, thinking we wouldn't understand. I mean even if English people say much else in French we all know all the swear words and then he was mega annoyed when we didn't tip him. Stupid motherfucker.

Fistandantilus
17-02-2012, 09:43:05
Ok, why did he call you stupid english motherfuckers then? Love for english people? :lol:

Dyl Ulenspiegel
17-02-2012, 09:58:47
Stupid motherfucker.

In french, please.

JM^3
17-02-2012, 09:59:37
In Brussels we had a waiter who called us stupid English motherfuckers in French, thinking we wouldn't understand. I mean even if English people say much else in French we all know all the swear words and then he was mega annoyed when we didn't tip him. Stupid motherfucker.

In the US, french waiters are notorious.

In Paris they were not so bad.

In Brussels I had a 'nice' waiter try to refuse me a beer I ordered because it was for girls. Others had much worse experiences.

I still enjoyed the week of the conference (Paris was after, and I was maybe just tired for that).

This time I have either shopped at the cheapest store in Brussels or gone to the subsidized school cafe/bar.

My goal is 4 euro per day or less, right now I am not quite reaching it and there are all sorts of 'start up' costs.

JM

Funko
17-02-2012, 10:25:13
Ok, why did he call you stupid english motherfuckers then? Love for english people? :lol:

jj

He was just generally mocking us, for being English, for being hungover, for our bad pronounciation of what we were ordering and a bit more for being English.

10 very hungover English lads waiting for the Eurostar home.

JM^3
17-02-2012, 10:36:30
My pronunciation is terrible.

I know french better, I think my pronunciation of dutch might be better?

What is the Eurostar?

JM

Funko
17-02-2012, 10:38:24
The fast passenger train from London to Paris and Brussels

Funko
17-02-2012, 10:39:08
No English speaker can pronounce Dutch properly. We don't have the correct phlegm gland in our throats.

JM^3
17-02-2012, 10:50:04
Well, I was just thinking of dutch being close to Swedish.

I felt like I could pronounce many Swedish things...

JM

Cheshire Cat
17-02-2012, 11:02:43
What is the Eurostar?

the thing that runs underwater thru the Chunnel

MDA
17-02-2012, 20:56:07
My old boss got insulted by a waitress in French in Montreal. Unfortunately, his wife is from Nice... and was in the French Resistance. I wouldn't have wanted her mad at me.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
17-02-2012, 21:28:27
So she wasn't that Nice.

MDA
18-02-2012, 02:45:53
Gneiss pun

zmama
18-02-2012, 02:57:28
p7EONScLrHg

RedFred
18-02-2012, 05:34:56
Do you do it the way of boiling milk with tea leaves, spices, and sugar?

JM
(A common indian way introduced to me by one of my roommates.)

Every region in India seems to do it a bit differently. Black tea leaves, milk, sugar and crushed up green cardamom pods are the commonality. Best chai I had was in Rajasthan and also included mashed fresh ginger, whole fennel and crushed cloves.

The version I learned involves boiling water with the tea and spice concoction and adding in the milk at the very end. Never quite boiling the milk.

In south India there is coffee I can actually drink. Like mocha, it contains so much milk and sugar as to make the evil coffee taste enjoyable. No chocolate in south Indian coffee though.

zmama
18-02-2012, 06:36:39
I love the coffee taste, milk and sugar are only for bad coffee.

Best coffee I had was in Germany, loved the ritual and the company, made the great coffee even better.

MDA
06-03-2012, 11:41:03
pitybot post!

fir :lol:

Funko
06-03-2012, 12:10:53
I deleted it.

MDA
06-03-2012, 14:10:39
well, today's coffee is sumatra mandheling

cup number two, it's just about 9 am here, but I tend to work 6:30 to 3

Sugar and cream really are best used on scorched/bad coffee, although I tend to use a few grains of sugar, it's likely an OCD habit or to ward off evil spirits (Sometimes our tap water is crap, then the coffee ends up not being so great. I miss the catchspring water I had growing up, it had frogs in it sometimes, but I bet it would make good coffee.)

If the sugar isn't right in front of the coffeepot, I don't use enough to bother looking for it.

zmama
06-03-2012, 14:36:18
Sumatran is my everyday coffee. Me likes :)

MDA
06-03-2012, 15:10:03
I tend to get either that or Indian Monsoon.