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16-12-2011, 11:31:24
continue after Group Stage

it's England-Italy once more



Infostrada Sports on Twitter: "Italy (3) have more clubs in #UCL last 16 than Spain (2) for the first time since 2004/05."

Cesc Fabregas on Twitter: "Woooow Arsenal vs Milan!!!! What a draw!!!!"

wow, what a twat

16-12-2011, 11:41:35
A good draw according to italian newspapers. :hmm:

16-12-2011, 11:52:17
Great draw for the Spanish clubs. Some big guns out this round.

16-12-2011, 12:03:21
Lyon is fantastically lucky...

Milan - Arsenal is a great draw, that's the only match I look forward to

16-12-2011, 12:37:32
OptaJoe (Opta Sports)
54 - Chelsea fired in more shots on target in the Champions League than any other team. Contenders.

OptaJoe (Opta Sports)
22% - Napoli converted the highest percentage of shots into goals in the Champions League. Threat.

09-03-2012, 07:34:41
Lyon is fantastically lucky...

recorded for posterity

16-03-2012, 10:34:09
QF/Semis Draw in half an hour

I think if APOEL get OM after eliminating OL, they'd stand a good chance to get to Semifinals

16-03-2012, 10:35:28
Are you saying that if they meet the weakest other team in the competition they have the best chance of going through? How did you come to this incredible insight?

16-03-2012, 10:43:52
not exactly

"best chance" could be insignificant (i.e. 0.1% over all 0.01%)

I said "good chance", that's sizeable (i.e. OM can't be a much harder obstacle than OL who they had beaten)


16-03-2012, 10:58:01
"OM can't be a much harder obstacle than OL who they had beaten"

Why not?

16-03-2012, 10:58:37
I don't disagree, I think it's just bleedin' obvious. :p

16-03-2012, 11:39:32
O.Marseille v Bayern
APOEL v Real Madrid

Benfica v Chelsea
Milan v Barcelona

16-03-2012, 11:42:44
great, we'll have the awaited Real-Barça final!

16-03-2012, 11:46:29
I think APOEL would have had a better chance against OM.

16-03-2012, 11:54:24
well, they have an epsilon nought chance to meet them in the semis

16-03-2012, 11:58:31
great, we'll have the awaited Real-Barça final!

I hope not :(

16-03-2012, 12:06:34
which one you'd wish?

16-03-2012, 12:16:04
Marseille Benfica final

16-03-2012, 12:42:27
which one you'd wish?

Anyone else :D

Barça and Real play so much each other already I'm sick of it.

16-03-2012, 16:18:17
it's a sign of the times, you have to endure the (s)pain

19-03-2012, 08:18:56
"OM can't be a much harder obstacle than OL who they had beaten"

Why not?

well, football it's not math (luckily), but


05/02 D Marseille 2-2 Lyon
18/02 D Marseille 1-1 Valenciennes
26/02 L Brest 1-0 Marseille
03/03 L Marseille 0-1 Toulouse
06/03 L Évian 2-0 Marseille
09/03 L Ajaccio 1-0 Marseille
17/03 L Marseille 1-2 Dijon


05/02 D Marseille 2-2 Lyon
11/02 L Lyon 1-2 Caen
19/02 L Bordeaux 1-0 Lyon
25/02 D Lyon 4-4 PSG
03/03 L Nancy 2-0 Lyon preliminary 3rd place
10/03 W Lyon 2-1 Lille
17/03 W St-Etienne 0-1 Lyon

Lyon are tied 5th, that is curently in last EL spot, and 4pts adrift CL

OM are 9th, 7pts adrift Lyon
their best chance to clinch next season Europe lies in beating Lyon themselves in the League Cup final
and in Coupe de France, provided they beat tonite Quevilly (3rd division club, the only non-Ligue1 club in QF, who got to semis 2 seasons ago)

22-03-2012, 10:36:43
and in Coupe de France, provided they beat tonite Quevilly (3rd division club, the only non-Ligue1 club in QF, who got to semis 2 seasons ago)

WOW! They lost! 3-2 aet
and Lyon beat PSG in Paris
(top 2 in the league ot of the cup, as in England)

now it's
Ajaccio - Lyon
Quevilly - Rennes


with Real drawing twice in La Liga, did Apoel's chance to qualify grow more than epsilon?
it's hard tho they'd find OM in the semis... although Marseille were already in disarray when they faced Inter, and look how they pulled two goals in injury times. Could they repeat vs Bayern???

29-03-2012, 07:35:31
so, as the odds dictated, ther'll be no OM nor APOEL in the semis

current Team Ranking (5 years, 2008-12)

1st 152.951 Barça
3rd 127.682 Chelsea
4th 125.770 Bayern
5th 115.951 Real
11th 89.996 Milan
13th 86.869 Benfica
15th 85.835 OM
62nd 33.599 APOEL

oddly enough, top 4 have been paired with bottom 4, "as if" the draw had been seeded, and top 4 all play 2nd leg at home

also, contrarily to what you'd ecpect in a "designed" bracket, the strongest have not been coupled with the weakest, but with the strongest "unseeded" instead, and so on in the order

things change a bit considering current season Team Coefficients only

1st 30.2856 Real
2nd 29.2856 Barça
3rd 25.7832 Bayern
4th 24.8500 Chelsea
5th 23.1666 Benfica
6th 22.2714 Milan
11th 21.1000 OM
12th 20.8250 APOEL

but the virtual seeded/unseeded division remains

1st leg results came out in a nice fitting order

0-3 Apoel v Real
0-2 OM v Bayern
0-1 Benfica v Chelsea
0-0 Milan v Barça

It's to be noted tho how no home side scored (the 4 "unseeded" teams)

I wanted to match these results with the season or ranking coefficients, or their differences
All we can say is that home sides conceded a progressive number of goals corresponding to their Uefa Ranking

29-03-2012, 07:49:59
That said, we have sadly to report how the 2 "closer" QFs have been marred by two blatant missing penalties
In both cases Italians were involved!

Terry approached a Benfica player with arms spread like a Redentor statue
Albeit at close range, that was unarguably a handball penalty
- the referee was Italian
- the recently appointed Chelsea manager is Italian

Milan's keeper Abbiati missed the ball when countering a storming Sanchez, and clasped his left foot
Sanchez didn't seem to dive, nor to drag or shift his left leg to provoke the contact. How could the referee, and his sideline and baseline assistants miss that?
- the referee is from Sweden
- Milan most famous player is from Sweden


29-03-2012, 08:02:27
Terry approached a Benfica player with arms spread like a Redentor statue

:lol: Terry is God so he's allowed that.

29-03-2012, 08:10:18
In Fifa's Laws of the Game 2005, Law 12 says a free-kick or penalty will be awarded if a player "handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)".

Page 67 of the document gives "additional information for referees, assistant referees and fourth officials".

It adds: "Referees are reminded that deliberately handling the ball is normally punished only by a direct free-kick or penalty kick if the offence occurred inside the penalty area.

"A caution or dismissal is not normally required."

However, the document fails to describe what constitutes deliberate handball, which places the responsibility firmly on the referee and referees' assistants.

Former Premier League referee David Elleray said the referee's interpretation depends on whether the hand or arm is in an "unnatural" position at the point of contact.

Referees often consult their assistants on decisions
"Referees look at two specifics - did the hand or arm go towards the ball or in a manner which would block the ball, or is the hand in a position where it would not normally be?" Elleray told BBC Sport.

"The challenging decisions are if the defending player spreads their arms to make themselves bigger.

"If the ball hits the arm then the referee must decide whether this action was to deliberately block the ball or whether the player has raised their arms to protect themselves - especially if the ball is hit at speed."

The referee and referees' assistants, therefore, have a matter of seconds to weigh up these factors, and take the appropriate action.

And there will always be at least one manager, 11 players and thousands of fans who will insist they have been hard done by.


Hardly unarguable.

29-03-2012, 08:20:41
only found online reference here


Barcelona had 62 percent of possession but failed to score in a Champions League match for the first time in 2½ years.
When Barcelona did create chances at San Siro, it was thwarted by Milan's experienced defense, goalkeeper Christian Abbiati and some lenient refereeing from Jonas Eriksson.

29-03-2012, 08:27:59
Hardly unarguable.

only by utterly biased fans


Terry deliberately spread his arms out when approaching the opponent, to maximize the chance to intercept the ball.
He looked like a handball keeper!

is the hand in a position where it would not normally be?
YES, the arm was deliberately in a position where it shoud never be.


That footage should be added in football schools and refereeing clinics as a paradigm of a handball penalty.

29-03-2012, 08:34:15
Are you arguing about it? Q.E.D.

31-03-2012, 08:16:34
I didn't even see the game but I'm going to argue nevertheless.

02-04-2012, 07:30:39

04-04-2012, 07:34:23
So now I have to support Chelsea.

04-04-2012, 07:41:54

04-04-2012, 09:23:48
are you against a Real-Barça final, or specifically against Barça reaching it?

in the first case, you could also hope for a Bayern-Barça final

I actually think it'd be "less unlikely" for Bayern to beat Real, than for Chelsea to beat Barça (...provided they get there in the first place)

05-04-2012, 10:30:08

05-04-2012, 11:07:59
hey, they play the best football, the european audience wants to see them and not some boring italian or other team

they'd win the same, but uefa governing body just want to be on the safe side: it's just good business practice!

it's already incredible how a Swedish ref did NOT award a blatant penalty in their favor in S.Siro
they politely complained, UEFA conveniently advised their men, and voila Kuipers didn't stray form the normal and usual pattern of a home-friendly oriented ref
(all witihin the boundaries of decency, nothing like the Ovebro amok hitman incident)

move on, nothing happened!

05-04-2012, 12:11:51
I think it's a funny when fans have views like this, doesn't mean I agree with them.

18-04-2012, 21:24:29
So far so good :beer:

19-04-2012, 07:39:19
Extra shooting practice all week in Catalonia

19-04-2012, 09:37:43
the wide open goal is an easy target, hitting the narrow woodwork requires much more skill
they did it twice, still nothing compared to a Barça former player who could do it 4 times in a row

19-04-2012, 09:41:07
there was some story about a team practising accuracy by aiming at the posts and a new coach came in and immediately stopped that because he said "you're training to hit the post so that's what you'll do in a game"

Or some such.

19-04-2012, 13:04:55
I blame the pitch and weather conditions. Unacceptable. :mad:

24-04-2012, 20:42:35
OMG!!! :lol:

Chelsea!!!! :beer:

25-04-2012, 12:18:13
Amazing match. Bayern to win tonight through a Ronaldo OG.

25-04-2012, 12:39:34
Completely amazing! Even I was a Chelski fan on the day...:bounce:

25-04-2012, 21:37:02
Bayern to win tonight through a Ronaldo OG.

Close. :p

26-04-2012, 07:49:45
Close enough. :beer:

It's the final everyone wanted. :beer:

26-04-2012, 10:06:31
now that both CL Spain team crashed out of the final, it's official:

Spain will get
- 3 more uefa points from the all-spanish EL semifinal (2 for the game however it goes an 1 as bonus for one qualified team)
- at best 3 more pts from the Ath.Bilbao v Sporting Lisbon other EL semifinal (***if Bilbao win and qualify)
- 2 pts at best from the EL final. ***If we count Bilbao in it, the 2 points are granted as it would be an all-spanish final.

This makes a best of 8 pts
Spain had 7 entrants, 8/7=1.143 and that wold bring their 2012 Coeffincient to 84.186
England already have 84.285 so they can't be reached anymore, and they've officially saved 1st place in the UEFA Country Ranking for 2012
Injury time Torres equaliser vs Barça proved decisive to that effect (joined of course with Real failure to get to the final)

[next season they'll start from behind tho as they'll drop 4 more coeff point than Spain in shedding the 07-08 season pioints for 2013 ranking]

20-05-2012, 11:12:39
Oh dear Bayern. Last 5 mins of finals against English clubs not your strength are they.

21-05-2012, 07:19:15
I admit I exulted...

- usual sore losers Germans, their press is only able to gripe about "anti-football" winning :rolleyes:

- Spurs (and Fist) must be delighted :cute:

21-05-2012, 10:04:40
They had enough chances to win comfortably. A couple of good saves, a lot of blocks and some terrible shooting. Plus they missed a penalty. Then in the shoot out they were ahead and just needed to keep their heads.

Chelsea didn't make it easy for them, and why should they, but to blame anyone other than themselves for losing seems strange.

Bottlers. :)

21-05-2012, 12:27:28
- Spurs (and Fist) must be delighted :cute:


Stupid germans let a dutchman take a penalty... :rolleyes:

22-05-2012, 07:42:27
A german missed one too.

22-05-2012, 07:42:41
And Chelsea let an Englishman take one!