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26-08-2011, 08:02:48
I know this will whet much less interest, but I felt square and orderly this week

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=1667671.html

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26-08-2011, 08:25:49
first, let's see which seeded teams didn't make it in the last round:


Seeded teams coef. Unseeded teams coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
Sevilla Esp 93.465 Young Boys *3 Sui 14.980
AS Roma Ita 85.110 Nacional Funchal ** Por 14.319
Tottenham Hotspur Eng 78.157 Hannover 96 Ger 13.887
PSV Eindhoven Ned 74.025 FC Sochaux-Montbéliard Fra 12.735
Atlético Madrid *3 Esp 70.465 Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Ukr 12.276
Sporting CP Lisbon Por 68.319 Trabzonspor @3 Tur 12.010
Sporting Braga Por 62.319 Bursaspor *3 Tur 12.010
Schalke 04 Ger 61.887 Vitória Guimarães *3 Por 11.319
Dinamo Kiev @3 Ukr 60.776 Helsingborg IF *3 Swe 10.825
Panathinaikos @3 Gre 57.833 Karpaty Lviv *3 Ukr 10.776
Glasgow Rangers @3 Sco 56.028 CSKA Sofia Bul 10.575
Spartak Moscow Rus 51.941 Vorskla Poltava ** Ukr 10.276
Paris Saint-Germain Fra 51.735 FC Vaslui @3 Rom 10.164
AZ Alkmaar *3 Ned 43.025 FC Sion Sui 9.480
Anderlecht Bel 42.400 Red Star Belgrade *3 Srb 9.350
Fulham FC * Eng 40.157 Alania Vladikavkaz *3 Rus 8.941
Celtic Sco 39.528 Litex Lovech @3 Bul 8.575
Besiktas Tur 37.010 Hearts FC *3 Sco 7.528
Hapoel Tel-Aviv *3 Isr 36.400 FC Nordsjælland Den 7.110
Metalist Kharkiv Ukr 34.276 Olympiakos Volou ** Gre 6.833
Standard Liège @3 Bel 32.400 Omonia Nicosia *3 Cyp 6.124
Club Brugge *3 Bel 31.400 Maccabi Tel-Aviv ** Isr 5.900
AEK Athens Gre 30.833 Slovan Bratislava @3 Svk 5.899
Sparta Praha *3 Cze 30.170 Legia Warsaw *3 Pol 5.183
Steaua Bucuresti Rom 29.164 Gaz Metan Medias ** Rom 5.164
Athletic Bilbao Esp 24.465 FC Thun ** Sui 4.980
Lazio Roma Ita 23.110 NK Maribor @3 Slo 4.224
Dinamo Bucuresti *3 Rom 22.164 SV Ried *3 Aut 4.140
FC Salzburg ** Aut 22.140 Rabotnicki Skopje * Mac 4.041
Rosenborg BK @3 Nor 19.375 Aalesunds FK * Nor 3.875
Lokomotiv Moscow Rus 18.441 HJK Helsinki @3 Fin 3.793
PAOK Thessaloniki *3 Gre 17.333 AEK Larnaca ** Cyp 3.624
Birmingham City Eng 17.157 Ekranas Panevezys @3 Lit 3.541
Stoke City *3 Eng 17.157 Spartak Trnava * Svk 3.399
Stade Rennais *3 Fra 16.735 Dinamo Tbilisi * Geo 3.391
Austria Wien ** Aut 16.640 Slask Wroclaw ** Pol 3.183
Rapid Bucuresti Rom 16.164 FC Zestafoni @3 Geo 2.891
Partizan Belgrade @3 Srb 15.850 Shamrock Rovers @3 Irl 2.741

TOP TWO seeds Sevilla and Roma, wow
BOTH Glasgow sides, disastrous season in europe for Scotland, whereas an Irish team made it!
And Spartak out too

Fistandantilus
26-08-2011, 08:27:31
I wonder how MoSe took Roma elimination now they are managed by Luis Enrique.

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26-08-2011, 08:43:07
Pot 1 coef. Pot 2 coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
Tottenham Hotspur *4 Eng 78.157 Fulham FC * Eng 40.157
PSV Eindhoven *4 Ned 74.025 Besiktas *4 Tur 37.010
Atlético Madrid *3 Esp 70.465 Hapoel Tel-Aviv *3 Isr 36.400
Sporting CP Lisbon *4 Por 68.319 Metalist Kharkiv *4 Ukr 34.276
Sporting Braga *4 Por 62.319 Standard Liège @3 Bel 32.400
Schalke 04 *4 Ger 61.887 Rubin Kazan @4 Rus 31.941
Dinamo Kiev @3 Ukr 60.776 Club Brugge *3 Bel 31.400
Paris Saint-Germain *4 Fra 51.735 AEK Athens *4 Gre 30.833
FC København @4 Den 51.110 Steaua Bucuresti *4 Rom 29.164
AZ Alkmaar *3 Ned 43.025 Udinese @4 Ita 27.110
Anderlecht *4 Bel 42.400 Athletic Bilbao *4 Esp 24.465
FC Twente Enschede @4 Ned 41.025 Lazio Roma *4 Ita 23.110

Pot 3 coef. Pot 4 coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
FC Salzburg ** Aut 22.140 Vorskla Poltava ** Ukr 10.276
Maccabi Haifa @4 Isr 21.400 Wisla Kraków @4 Pol 10.183
FC Zürich @4 Sui 18.980 FC Vaslui @3 Rom 10.164
OB Odense @4 Den 18.610 FC Sion *4 Sui 9.480
Lokomotiv Moscow *4 Rus 18.441 Sturm Graz @4 Aut 8.640
PAOK Thessaloniki *3 Gre 17.333 Maccabi Tel-Aviv ** Isr 5.900
Birmingham City *4 Eng 17.157 Slovan Bratislava @3 Svk 5.899
Stoke City *3 Eng 17.157 Legia Warsaw *3 Pol 5.183
Stade Rennais *3 Fra 16.735 NK Maribor @3 Slo 4.224
Austria Wien ** Aut 16.640 AEK Larnaca ** Cyp 3.624
Rapid Bucuresti *4 Rom 16.164 Malmö FF @4 Swe 2.825
Hannover 96 *4 Ger 13.887 Shamrock Rovers @3 Irl 2.741

broken down by # of teams per Association and per Pot

POTS
ASS Teams 1 2 3 4

ENG 4 1 1 2

NED 3 3
BEL 3 1 2
UKR 3 1 1 1
ISR 3 1 1 1
ROM 3 1 1 1
AUT 3 2 1

POR 2 2
ESP 2 1 1
DEN 2 1 1
FRA 2 1 1
GER 2 1 1
ITA 2 2
GRE 2 1 1
RUS 2 1 1
SUI 2 1 1
POL 2 2

TUR 1 1
CYP 1 1
IRL 1 1
SLO 1 1
SVK 1 1
SWE 1 1


England have more teams than anyone else (also having 4 in UCL!)
But Netherlands, Portugal and Belgium are better seeded (or would you say potted?)
:D

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30-08-2011, 07:15:03
for the sake of completeness

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=1668271.html


Group A
Tottenham Hotspur FC (ENG)
FC Rubin Kazan (RUS)
PAOK FC (GRE)
Shamrock Rovers FC (IRL)

Group B
FC København (DEN)
R. Standard de Liège (BEL)
Hannover 96 (GER)
FC Vorskla Poltava (UKR)

Group C
PSV Eindhoven (NED)
Hapoel Tel-Aviv FC (ISR)
FC Rapid Bucureşti (ROU)
Legia Warszawa (POL)

Group D
Sporting Clube de Portugal (POR)
S.S. Lazio (ITA)
FC Zürich (SUI)
FC Vaslui (ROU)

Group E
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)
Beşiktaş JK (TUR)
Stoke City FC (ENG)
Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR)

Group F
Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA)
Athletic Club (ESP)
FC Salzburg (AUT)
ŠK Slovan Bratislava (SVK)

Group G
AZ Alkmaar (NED)
FC Metalist Kharkiv (UKR)
FK Austria Wien (AUT)
Malmö FF (SWE)

Group H
SC Braga (POR)
Club Brugge KV (BEL)
Birmingham City FC (ENG)
NK Maribor (SVN)

Group I
Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP)
Udinese Calcio (ITA)
Stade Rennais FC (FRA)
FC Sion (SUI)

Group J
FC Schalke 04 (GER)
FC Steaua Bucureşti (ROU)
Maccabi Haifa FC (ISR)
AEK Larnaca FC (CYP)

Group K
FC Twente (NED)
Fulham FC (ENG)
Odense BK (DEN)
Wisła Kraków (POL)

Group L
RSC Anderlecht (BEL)
AEK Athens FC (GRE)
FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS)
SK Sturm Graz (AUT)

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15-12-2011, 09:09:09
England have more teams than anyone else (also having 4 in UCL!)
But Netherlands, Portugal and Belgium are better seeded (or would you say potted?)
:D

nice wiki table, highlighting team outcomes pot per pot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_UEFA_Europa_League_group_stage#See ding


Fulham had a comfy 2-0 home lead after half an hour vs already eliminated Danes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_UEFA_Europa_League_group_stage#Gro up_K
they got equalised at 93', slipping behind Wisła Kraków (*) (who defeated Twente) and out of EL
fittingly enough, the late equaliser got scored by a player named "Fall" :D
___

Two other english teams are very likely to get out too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_UEFA_Europa_League_group_stage#Gro up_A
Tottenham Hotspur will advance to the round of 32 if they win, PAOK win, AND
their combined winning margin is at least six goals (five if Tottenham Hotspur score at least five more than Rubin Kazan)
while a win @ Shamrock Rovers is not in discussion, it's not granted that PAOK defeat Rubin (even if on home ground) considering that a draw will both allow Greeks to win the group and Kazan to qualify
a 1-0 PAOK win will require a 1-5 by Spurs in Ireland (where Rovers previously conceded 0-3 vs Rubin and 1-3 vs PAOK)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_UEFA_Europa_League_group_stage#Gro up_H
Birmingham City will advance to the round of 32 if they defeat Maribor AND Braga defeat Club Brugge
here too a home win vs derelict Maribor is not in discussion, and there's no goal diff in play
it all revolves around the Brugge-Braga match
the portuguese are ahead h2h v belgians, and v B'ham too
a draw will qualify both contenders
playing against the english side, is that Brugge need to win if they want to win the group, and that Braga can "afford" to lose as they'd be qualified anyway
so Braga have no real motivation to win away, other than pride (and UEFA coeff and money) - and Brugge will easily settle for a draw rather than risk a defeat
____

So, Stoke City alone are likely to remain, from the formerly most represented association
Luckily, english EL ranks will be replenished by the two Manchester sides who were both demoted from CL
:D
(*) btw, remarkable achievement by Poland who qualified both thier teams from Pot 4, which NO other Pot4 team did (Celtic replaced Sion after the draw, but their actual coefficient would have seeded them in Pot 2; plus, they'd have to win in udine tonite in order to qualify)
___

let's end by pointing out another unexpected reversal
Paris Saint Germain vs Red Bull Salzburg, or
maroule vs Dyl :D
coming into last match PSG was behind h2h vs RB on away goals (3-1 & 0-2, with PSG conceding the 2nd goal in Salzburg at 94' in previous match)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_UEFA_Europa_League_group_stage#Gro up_F
so the french side needed to do better than the austrians: i.e. a win vs no-win, or a draw vs a defeat

3' both PSG and RB are down!
6' RB conceded a 2nd one in Bratislava
19' RB made up one with a penalty
21' Pastore equalises for PSG, who with RB down are now qualified
24' Leonardo (!) equalises too for RB, who get back ahead in qualifying
41' PSG get ahead 2-1 in their match, and in qualification

52' RB get ahead in their match thanks to an og (and coming back from the early 0-2!) and snatch qualification. Now whatever PSG will do is moot unless Slovan manage to equalise
55' adding to PSG gloom, Athletic Bilbao equalise
85' & 90' with an og an a penalty, PSG reinstate their pride winning 4-2, a useless late effort as the result did not change in Bratislava

as with City, sheik's money gets a team on top of domestic league, but doesn't avoid euro failure
let's monitor how far will Salzburg fly with their Red Bull wings

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15-12-2011, 10:04:03
BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16064448.stm
Last-gasp Odense goal knocks out Fulham
Substitute Djiby Fall scored with the final move of the match to dump Fulham out of the Europa League.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9661362.stm

2154: Injury time. We're in it. Odense haven't really stepped up since their goal. Fulham looking good for qualification.
2155: GOALFLASH Fulham 2-2 Odense (Djilby Fall)
Odense goal: Absolutely. And. Utterly. Incredible! How? Seriously, how has this just happened? Well, I'll tell you. Odense were gone. It was over. And then in a flash they strike. Espen Ruud swings over a hopeful cross from the right and Djilby Fall steals in to head Fulham out of the Europa League!
2158: It was literally the last kick. That's full-time. Craven Cottage is in shock. Utter shock.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16081822.stm
Birmingham must win Thursday's Europa League encounter at home to Maribor to stand a chance of progressing to the knockout stages.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16081794.stm
Tottenham head into their final Europa League Group A game against Shamrock knowing even a victory may not be enough to secure their qualification.

Fistandantilus
15-12-2011, 22:11:30
Wow, they all failed.

Funko
16-12-2011, 08:17:49
A distracting Thursday night for the B team off the calendar, relief for most of them.

Fistandantilus
16-12-2011, 08:45:24
When you start thinking the way italians do it's time to worry.

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16-12-2011, 12:06:44
stats about distribution of remaining teams are grouped here for both CL and EL

to avoid arbitrary sorting, I go with this season coefficient

Coeff - the Uefa Country Coefficient earned so far in the current season

T - entrant Teams
K - teams advancing to the Knockout phase

C - CL teams remaining
E - EL teams remaining

C1 2 - CL teams divided by Pot 1 & 2 for the KO draw
E1 2 - EL teams divided by Pot 1 & 2 for the KO draw



Country Coeff T K C E C1 2 E1 2
England 12.375 8 5 2 3 2 - 2 1
Spain 11.285 7 5 2 3 2 - 3 -
Germany 10.750 6 4 2 2 1 1 1 1
France 9.666 6 2 2 - - 2
Italy 9.500 7 5 3 2 1 2 - 2
Belgium 9.500 5 3 - 3 3 -
Netherl 9.200 5 4 - 4 2 2
Portugl 9.000 6 4 1 3 1 - 1 2
Russia 8.916 6 4 2 2 - 2 - 2
Cyprus 8.375 4 1 1 - 1 -
Austria 7.125 4 1 - 1 - 1
Ukraine 6.416 6 1 - 1 1 -
Greece 6.200 5 2 - 2 2 -
Turkey 6.125 4 2 - 2 1 1
Poland 5.875 4 2 - 2 - 2
Switzer 5.600 5 1 1 - - 1
CzechR. 5.000 4 1 - 1 - 1
Romania 4.333 6 1 - 1 - 1

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16-12-2011, 12:23:36
Wow

City v Porto
ManU v Ajax