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Veracitas
01-05-2011, 21:25:11
Dear Counterglow,

As this image suggests, it has been a while (nearly 10 years, in fact) since I last posted on this forum.

http://i.imgur.com/4F8LD.png

Much has changed in the intervening years, and here's the story of what led me back here. I was randomly browsing the internet when I remembered the ACOL forums, a place where I spent a lot of time posting before 2001. I decided to take a trip down memory lane and try to find some of my old posts. In doing so, I learned that the forums have been offline for quite some time. I then tried to reconstruct what happened, and why ACOL flamed out so spectacularly.

My main motivation was to try to dig up some of my old posts (perhaps for nostalgia's sake). Because www.planetacol.com is now defunct, I tried using the Way Back Machine. As you can see (http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.planetacol.com), it only goes until January 2001. The other unfortunate thing is that you can click into the forums and see the post headlines, but you cannot see the contents of the post. I then had this hazy memory that ACOL was at another URL before switching to the PlanetACOL one. I would try to use Way Back Machine on that URL, but I do not remember what it was. Does anyone else know?

Below are a few links that recreate some of the story what occurred.

Is ACOLKitty's current 41 day ban too harsh? (May 2001): http://test.apolyton.net/showthread.php/19514-Is-ACOLKitty-s-current-41-day-ban-too-harsh

ACOL banned MtG (June 2001): http://test.apolyton.net/showthread.php/20121-ACOL-banned-MtG

AnnC shut the music forum on ACOL (November 2001): http://www.counterglow.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223

Veracitas! (December 2001): http://counterglow.com/forum/showthread.php?t=800

PlanetACOL (2005): http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/143124-PlanetACOL?s=

History of ACOL (2006): http://apolyton.net/archive/index.php/t-156564.html

Thanks for humoring my trip down memory lane.

--Veracitas

RedFred
01-05-2011, 21:38:10
WOW! I never knew the internet had a time machine. Can you go into the future too?

zmama
01-05-2011, 23:02:03
Mr. Peabody says the outlook is cloudy

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Waybackmachine3.png

Noisy
02-05-2011, 00:14:58
Good grief - seems like it was only yesterday.

Welcome back, Veracitas.

Noisy
02-05-2011, 00:17:27
I just looked in the glossary - was it alpha.owo that you were thinking of?

Veracitas
02-05-2011, 00:38:17
Noisy,

Thanks for the reply. I think alpha.owo was the original, Firaxis-sponsored forum. Am I right?

--Veracitas

JM^3
02-05-2011, 03:21:38
Yes.

It was the first forum I registered at and (engaged in a couple) of discussions at.

JM
(I had visited the ultimate civ site before to download scenarios...)

Noisy
02-05-2011, 08:05:26
Mt's summary of the ACOL meltdown. (http://www.counterglow.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89)

Tau Ceti
02-05-2011, 13:04:25
The old URL was an.i-dentity.com , I believe.

mr_B
02-05-2011, 13:05:16
waswas

MDA
02-05-2011, 14:01:31
I think after this place started up ACOL pretty much became a PBEM hookup and communication site. The off topic flat out died.

Funko
03-05-2011, 07:54:51
I remember sitting in a pub in London in late summer/early autumn 2001 talking to Aredhran Keith, RC Keith and Nav Keith about how AnnC was melting down and we should start our own site.

Was shortly after Rachel had been over (which was September 2001, because 9/11 happened when she was here).

And then, the mysterious anonymous The Management started this place, so we didn't have to bother. Which was nice.

Veracitas
03-05-2011, 13:53:43
@Noisy Thanks for the link. That's super helpful.

@Tau Ceti That's the one! Unfortunately, Wayback Machine does not have a lot in the way of archived material for www.an-identity.com. And, most unfortunately, you cannot seem to click into the posts. This is the best I could find: http://bit.ly/ipdGuR

@Funko Thanks for sharing the story. Looking at this Counterglow member list from a long time back (http://bit.ly/lheLvZ), it looks like many (though not all) the members came here. It's a shame the community broke over such petty matters that no one remembers anymore.

MDA
03-05-2011, 14:09:11
the bulk of it just relocated rather than break up, ACOL just became unevenly and overmoderated

A lot of good old threads did vanish, but we can always make new pointless ones.

Funko
03-05-2011, 14:16:46
We had maybe 2 or 3 years at ACOL, getting on for 10 here.

Funko
03-05-2011, 14:23:22
Looking at that an-identity link:

I'm dominating Apolyton! MikeH

Some things never change.

zmama
03-05-2011, 14:31:58
I don't recall a "break up" either. It just got to the point where it wasn't fun anymore. This ain't real life, it's not a marriage... if it gets to not be fun ...is time to move on!

Lurker
03-05-2011, 15:06:51
Old member's list makes me smile. Some fondly remembered AE's there.

MoSe
03-05-2011, 15:28:46
Definitely

Great comeback, Veracitas!
I'll dig in my PBEM archives, I'm sure we played some together. But I can't recall whether we also shared some fiery argument in the forums ;)
Didn't you use to keep some strategy articles "academy" page somewhere?
or were they diaries for some epic PBEM in narrative form?

I'll tuck back into your time capsule, now
:D

MoSe
03-05-2011, 15:33:32
BTW, wasn't it Asian Flu [aka Justin] who started ACOL as a PBEM management site alternative to alpha.owo and the Poly PBEM forum, before AnnC took over?
or wasi it something else?

Red should definitely remember it

Funko
03-05-2011, 15:44:42
That's correct.

When he handed over to AnnC she was quite hands off too... then she got more involved in off topic, there was a clash of personalities with some people and it turned out she was quite easy to wind up. :(

C.G.B. Spender
03-05-2011, 16:05:10
The internet sux

Funko
03-05-2011, 16:11:01
That's because it's full of suxxors.

Miss Information
03-05-2011, 16:11:26
Great source of missing AEs tho

Venom
03-05-2011, 16:42:51
Oh the memories.

zmama
03-05-2011, 17:24:44
No no, little Venom, no thinking!!

We will have to get the mallet again!

Fistandantilus
03-05-2011, 17:27:02
Wayback Machine does not have a lot in the way of archived material for www.an-identity.com. And, most unfortunately, you cannot seem to click into the posts. This is the best I could find: http://bit.ly/ipdGuR

Well there are some threads in the games in progress forum where you can still see the posts. Unfortunately they are not much interesting, it's a bunch of "turn sent" ones.

Oddly enough I don't think I've ever posted (or even lurked) the random chat forum. I remember many discussions in the ontopic fora tho :D

Venom
03-05-2011, 18:15:48
No thinking. only drinking.

MDA
03-05-2011, 18:52:42
Good morning, butthead!

Mr. Bas
03-05-2011, 19:36:08
What is ACOL? Who are you? Where am I?

zmama
03-05-2011, 19:39:42
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...

C.G.B. Spender
03-05-2011, 19:54:53
or worse

zmama
03-05-2011, 20:09:53
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.

C.G.B. Spender
03-05-2011, 20:13:37
or overbridge ...

Provost Harrison
03-05-2011, 22:06:55
I'm sure your name sounds vaguely familiar...

MoSe
04-05-2011, 08:48:10
LOL, I had forgot about I So Love Myself
:lol:

MoSe
04-05-2011, 09:01:45
Mt's summary of the ACOL meltdown. (http://www.counterglow.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89)

I read a bit more down memory path

what was (intentionally?) omitted from the summary, was that IIRC it all started with a "100 uses for a Dead Brian Reynolds" thread
jimmytrick started it, or anyway he posted in it something offensive to LTEC
so MtG asked AnnC for jimmytrick to be banned "threatening" they'd have both left ACOL otherwise
can't recall now whether AnnC refused, or instead complied but other posters protested as no one had ever been banned before so she later lifted it

anyway, I think that was what started the huge AnnC-MtG argument (as far as I could realise, I admit I've never been the "smartest" forum member)
IIRC they began arguing whether there had been or not moderation precedents justifying the ban (in simpler words something like: "in a similar situation sometimes ago you did/didn't ban the offender" - "it wasn't actually the same, and I was right to behave one way in that case and another way now"...)
AnnC reproached MtG that what he reported about moderation and ban precedents in ACOL to support his PoV in the argument was incorrect, and there it all got out of control

did I miss or misrecall something?
:)
___

BTW, why don't we open a POKER FORUM here at CG????

:D :D :D

MoSe
04-05-2011, 09:08:31
what also awes me, it's the LOW userid numbers who posted in Mt's summary thread!
I got invited by Aredhran and joined CG 3 months after that...

:mr_b:

MDA
04-05-2011, 10:57:44
I think I got invited by some minor noble/lurker.

Raquel or something.

Funko
04-05-2011, 11:17:06
Was she welsh?

Tizzy
04-05-2011, 11:43:11
I was invited here by Funko. Look how that turned out!

Cheshire Cat
04-05-2011, 11:46:23
you mean he had it all planned from the beginning???

Funko
04-05-2011, 11:52:13
I also invited Drekkus.

Tizzy
04-05-2011, 12:18:56
Watch out Drekkus!

Fistandantilus
04-05-2011, 12:53:57
BTW, why don't we open a POKER FORUM here at CG????

:D :D :D

Because it's already there, it's called CounterAttack.

Funko
04-05-2011, 13:05:51
It could also go in Games!

Only downside is, how would you see all the poker threads amongst the thousands of posts that go into those forums every day?

MoSe
04-05-2011, 13:25:50
I'd ask CheCa to keep me updated
:D

Lurker
04-05-2011, 14:30:02
I also invited Drekkus.

That's a damning admission -- you know where that took things.

Greg W
04-05-2011, 14:30:27
I can so barely remember any of that stuff. It's all a hazy blur to me now. I have a feeling that I may not even have been active on ACOL by that stage. I know I took a few months to go to CG. Mike invited me when it opened but I wasn't interested at the time.

Why, oh why did I change my mind those few months later? Everyone would have been much happier otherwise. :bash:

Funko
04-05-2011, 14:41:13
That's a damning admission -- you know where that took things.

Ultimately to you spilling beer on a Dutch midget.

Lurker
04-05-2011, 14:56:43
Just trying to do my part....

self biased
04-05-2011, 14:58:48
i don't know how i came to be here.

Funko
04-05-2011, 15:00:39
Well... one day mummy and daddy self biased had a special grown up cuddle...

MOBIUS
04-05-2011, 15:00:55
I was randomly invited even though I had nothing really to do with ACOL...

These fora are like religions: continuously splitting and going off to form new ones...

MOBIUS
04-05-2011, 15:01:43
Well... one day mummy and daddy self biased had a special grown up cuddle...

Isn't that a cuddle...?

Funko
04-05-2011, 15:03:09
I was randomly invited even though I had nothing really to do with ACOL...

If I find the fucker that did that... :bash:

MOBIUS
04-05-2011, 15:06:33
Don't worry, the knowledge of what he did is probably punishment enough... :D

Funko
04-05-2011, 15:10:04
Probably one of the Polytubbies trying to get you to leave there.

MOBIUS
04-05-2011, 15:11:44
Fat lot of good that did them!

zmama
04-05-2011, 15:21:32
And Drekkus invited mr_B...so Funko is to blame for that too!

Funko
04-05-2011, 15:37:54
Yes, that's what Lurker meant.

MOBIUS
04-05-2011, 15:38:27
Basically, it's all Funko's fault!:bash:

Lurker
04-05-2011, 15:54:34
jj

MOBIUS
04-05-2011, 16:15:35
Inderdeed! :funko:

Funko
04-05-2011, 16:19:25
Because of me you guys speak an entirely different language.

zmama
04-05-2011, 16:45:04
sheep shagging language?

Lazarus and the Gimp
04-05-2011, 17:02:22
The Markos ban was surreal. I recall a huge, emotionally charged thread with AnnC going "ACOL HAS COPYRIGHT!!!!", Markos going "APOLYTON HAS COPYRIGHT!!!", and Alexander's Horse going "I HAVE COPYRIGHT!!!". Over and over again.


Annnnnd, somewhere near the bottom of page God-knows-what I'm going "Um. Guys? It was me who wrote it" and got completely ignored.

Funko
04-05-2011, 17:23:25
Sounds about right.

Can't believe she was claiming stuff posted on ACOL forums belonged to ACOL, that's a legal minefield! I'd be claiming the absolute opposite, we bear absolutely no responsibility for the utter crap this lot post.

Lurker
04-05-2011, 17:24:51
:lol:

Resource Consumer
04-05-2011, 23:43:15
Don't worry, the knowledge of what he did is probably punishment enough... :D

I recall the big CG(ACOL?)/Poly meeting where we decided (probably wrongly) that Mobius was OK. At least he stayed to the end unlike a lot of tubbies :p

Resource Consumer
04-05-2011, 23:49:35
I would happily try to help with some of the history but will hold off for the moment and will probably do so in response to specific requests as

a) The state I was in a lot of that time......
b) Today is my 5th wedding anniversary which shows how things have moved on (it's Lucas' - kid no 2 first birthday tomorrow)
c) I am pissed as a rat

also I apologise to the good people here for my silence - life has been hectic beyond any expectations - I am going to try to update later

bet this is still more coherent than my heyday posting crap (maybe more or less entertaining depending on taste):p

zmama
05-05-2011, 00:03:33
hmm just the good people? What about the rotters?

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
05-05-2011, 01:51:01
We have good people?

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
05-05-2011, 02:01:17
Additional: I read Noisy's Mt's Summary of the meltdown link above, and noticed that both LoC and myself were mentioned as not having transitioned across to CG. I don't think anyone even told us! I seem to recall having to ask about it on LogicBox or something.

So to that I say: bastards!

Funko
05-05-2011, 07:41:39
I recall the big CG(ACOL?)/Poly meeting where we decided (probably wrongly) that Mobius was OK. At least he stayed to the end unlike a lot of tubbies :p

That was the one with the guy who really smelt quite bad. So he put MOBIUS in a good light!

Cheshire Cat
05-05-2011, 07:43:00
We have good people?
I've seen all good people turn their heads each day
So satisfied I'm on my way

Funko
05-05-2011, 07:45:58
Additional: I read Noisy's Mt's Summary of the meltdown link above, and noticed that both LoC and myself were mentioned as not having transitioned across to CG. I don't think anyone even told us! I seem to recall having to ask about it on LogicBox or something.

So to that I say: bastards!

hopefully you realised that we were/are stupid/disorganised/lazy bastards not trying to leave you behind. :o

Funko
05-05-2011, 07:46:45
We sort of wanted it to be a bit established here before BAnnC found out or we had to deal with the Poly Trolls like Lancer.

C.G.B. Spender
05-05-2011, 10:16:23
you people live in the past

zmama
05-05-2011, 10:17:36
The good people?

C.G.B. Spender
05-05-2011, 10:24:49
Gone for good people

zmama
05-05-2011, 11:02:46
Far out, man :cool:

jsorense
05-05-2011, 17:18:16
Basically, it's all Funko's fault!:bash:

OMG, where has tradition gone?
BTW, I don't remember anything after the ....um, you know?:mr_b:

Resource Consumer
05-05-2011, 22:39:02
Absolutely right, J. We must stick with tradition.

It was all Bossman's fault.....

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
06-05-2011, 02:30:24
hopefully you realised that we were/are stupid/disorganised/lazy bastards not trying to leave you behind. :o

As a stupid/disorganized/lazy bastard myself, I can understand :)

Koshko
06-05-2011, 02:57:55
I always worry a little when people check out forum's distant history. I'm a pretty lame/creepy poster as it is. I was much worse when I was younger. Scary.

Resource Consumer
06-05-2011, 23:07:40
See what a beneficial effect we have had :)

self biased
07-05-2011, 01:11:40
Well... one day mummy and daddy self biased had a special grown up cuddle...

huh. so that explains my mother's curious memory lapse. I think i'm nav's fault, though.

jsorense
07-05-2011, 03:31:15
[QUOTE=Resource Consumer;1028491]Absolutely right, J. We must stick with tradition.

It was all Bossman's fault.....QUOTE0]Now there is a man of inestimable culture and charm. :beer:

MDA
09-05-2011, 10:55:28
very well put

Oerdin
10-05-2011, 15:22:55
Basically, it's all Funko's fault!:bash:

A good rule to live by.

Drekkus
10-05-2011, 20:49:06
I also invited Drekkus.

:cool: still waiting for that proposal

devilmunchkin
11-05-2011, 03:16:30
I think the ACOL drama had just ended when I joined Poly. There were still many flames and grumblings in the fall out back then...

self biased
12-05-2011, 14:30:01
just in time for some other drama to spring up.

MattHiggs
26-05-2011, 22:52:49
Wow, Bossman's 'Penis Enlargement Operations' thread brought back nostalgia :)

OldWarrior_42
16-06-2011, 19:02:34
I'm still lurking.

Anyway, hello everyone. Too much crap has happened to me the past few years to get it all in now,

Someday, though.

JSorense... you are still old. :P~~

OldWarrior_42
16-06-2011, 19:04:40
Oh yeah, almost forgot... the reconstruction looked pretty accurate.

Who cares, though, :)

zmama
16-06-2011, 19:06:28
TOM!!!!! :bouncmsk::bouncmsk::bouncmsk:

Qaj the Fuzzy Love Worm
17-06-2011, 01:40:52
TOM!!!!! :bouncmsk::bouncmsk::bouncmsk:

Seconded. And :beer: Unless you're too old for beer now.

Funko
17-06-2011, 07:30:54
Hey! :beer:

Foot
17-06-2011, 10:27:23
Hey OW, how's your foot doin'?

Tizzy
17-06-2011, 10:28:37
:beer:

MDA
17-06-2011, 11:23:57
too old for... that's unpossible

jsorense
17-06-2011, 16:40:51
:bounce:Hey OW42+++++++++++++! Nice to see a friendly face. Howz the family?:bounce:

Noisy
17-06-2011, 19:16:56
The reunion of the ancients. :beer:

Provost Harrison
18-06-2011, 16:36:47
Wow, I can smell the blue rinse from here ;)

zmama
18-06-2011, 17:40:57
They dumped some in your doorway?

jsorense
18-06-2011, 21:55:10
Wow, I can smell the blue rinse from here ;)
So who has hair, anyway?:mad:

Greg W
19-06-2011, 11:52:28
Not I.