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Funko
18-03-2011, 12:07:48
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
Inter vs Chelsea

Some tasty ties there.

Funko
18-03-2011, 12:13:31
Interesting how Platini rigged the draw to screw English teams again.

Fistandantilus
18-03-2011, 13:21:00
:lol: Did he?

Cort Haus
18-03-2011, 13:36:21
Interesting how Platini rigged the draw to screw English teams again.

So how much was Gary Lineker paid to do that?

Funko
18-03-2011, 14:18:12
:lol: Did he?

Probably, it's the kind of thing the English hating, anti-money bastard would do. :bash:

Fistandantilus
18-03-2011, 14:40:40
I think english teams should stop progressing so far in the tourneament to avoid being treated like this.

Funko
18-03-2011, 14:47:04
We gave up on the Europa league!

Fistandantilus
18-03-2011, 15:46:18
Pfff, as I see it it's all set up for a London derby in Wembley.

Cort Haus
18-03-2011, 16:15:01
I sincerely hope not. :(

Funko
18-03-2011, 16:29:42
Pfff, as I see it it's all set up for a London derby in Wembley.

:lol:

Back!
06-04-2011, 10:58:05
terrible day for Fist yesterday!
both his teams!
:(

Fistandantilus
06-04-2011, 13:53:43
A nightmare indeed. I was 'zapping' between the two games and managed to inflict all those goals to myself :(

Cort Haus
06-04-2011, 23:25:30
http://hastorresscoredforchelsea.com/

lol

maroule
07-04-2011, 08:17:14
apparently he was quite poor yesterday? (haven't seen the match)

Fistandantilus
07-04-2011, 09:25:30
I don't think he played bad, if not for a great save by VdS he could have scored.
Chelsea didn't deserve to lose imho (even not counting that clear penalty in the end)

Funko
07-04-2011, 09:26:02
It wasn't vintage Torres, for sure. But it certainly wasn't as bad as some of his recent performances for Chelsea.

He hit the post and forced Van der Saar into a really good save, which were Chelsea's two best chances.

Funko
07-04-2011, 09:26:14
DAMN YOU FIST

Venom
07-04-2011, 12:07:13
Well start the website named hastorresalmostscoredforchelsea.com then.

Funko
07-04-2011, 12:25:24
after I've finished isvenomamassivehomo.com

Venom
07-04-2011, 16:26:12
own goal

maroule
08-04-2011, 09:33:41
only Inter does that these days

Funko
08-04-2011, 10:18:23
Did we mention that Inter's first goal was amazing?

Funko
08-04-2011, 10:19:17
So I picked half the semi finalists correctly!

Fistandantilus
12-04-2011, 14:13:32
How so? You picked Real.

Back!
12-04-2011, 15:07:44
Eriksson doesn't know who he is:

isvenomamassivehomo.com

I, Sven, o Mamas, [whether] a man....

see: sive homo (http://www.biblestudytools.com/parallel-bible/passage.aspx?q=leviticus+27:28&t=vul&t2=niv)

Funko
12-04-2011, 15:57:22
jj Barcelona and Chelsea

Funko
13-04-2011, 09:17:22
Entertaining game last night. :beer:

Fistandantilus
14-04-2011, 12:33:10
Expecially compared to the Real and Inter ones.

Funko
27-04-2011, 08:10:24
ManU are looking really good, they should really have won by more.

MOBIUS
27-04-2011, 09:11:53
Yeah, Schalke's keeper prevented it from being a rout.

maroule
28-04-2011, 08:20:40
Mour was made to look like a fuming idiot yesterday, his stupid game plan backfired in his face... I mean, asking Ramos and Pepe to play aggressive when their default mode is already crancked up to the max is courting disaster...

now he will play the victim of fiendish global plot...

Back!
28-04-2011, 08:39:26
Messi-ah!
Mour-ning

for all the success he had, Mou confirmed what an intellectually dishonest person he is

maroule
28-04-2011, 10:14:58
yep, we call it "mauvaise foi"
you have to acknowledge he is a champion at spin and myth making though, he has all of Madrid sure of a conspiracy theory this morning, and the rest of the world watching bemused.

King_Ghidra
28-04-2011, 12:49:52
Sadly, irrespective of mour's antics, football was the loser in that semi final

the level of play-acting, cheating, snippy and chippy behaviour was off the chart. several players thoroughly embarrassed themselves and as a spectacle it was utter shit.

I knew it was going to be tight and probably tense, but I didn't anticipate the level of fabrication and mime artistry, i was genuinely tremendously excited about it as a match. i was rapidly losing interest as the second half began, but when pepe was sent off, i switched off. utter bollocks. embarrassing.

I'm told messi scored a wonderful second goal. i could really care less. i hope i never see it. it is utterly tainted.

more or less everybody involved in that match should be ashamed. it should have been a showpiece of skill and competitiveness, but it was just a bitch-fest, a whine-fest, a proof that for everything the latin game has given football it takes away as much

Fistandantilus
28-04-2011, 14:46:09
Was playing five a side and only saw last 10 mins or so. Glad I didn't miss anything :D

maroule
28-04-2011, 15:15:02
well, in football sometimes you get indeed shit-feasts...
but the "latin" game is also able to conjure the earlier classico (the 5-0 one), which was breathtaking, without mime artistry.

Back!
02-05-2011, 14:42:02
the level of play-acting, cheating, snippy and chippy behaviour was off the chart. several players thoroughly embarrassed themselves and as a spectacle it was utter shit.

but when pepe was sent off, i switched off. utter bollocks. embarrassing.

more or less everybody involved in that match should be ashamed. it should have been a showpiece of skill and competitiveness, but it was just a bitch-fest, a whine-fest, a proof that for everything the latin game has given football it takes away as much

You mean.... Spain overtook Italy in that field??????? :eek:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I wasn't defending Barça players attitude in the above considerations.
I mosly agree with your comments

but... about switching off after Pepe red card:
seeing as how Mou and Madrid press protested that Dani Alves simulated the injury, I reviewed several times the footage.
I couldn't find any sequence form any angle where any honest observere could claim that Alves got NOT hit by Pepe
In any way I can consider it, that was a BLATANT red card.
Claiming it could not be, given the "self-speaking images" I watched, plainly equates to dishonesty to me. Different dynamics, but identical judgement to Robben semifinal sending off last season.
Maybe Alves didn't suffer all that pain (luckily for him), maybe he could have whined a 20% less than what he did, but all the game thru lots of players from both sides rolled on the floor whining like an expert and weathered italia for much lighter contacts.
That was DEFINITELY a stud up hit on the shin, luckily the leg was off the ground, maybe not even a classical dancer or a shaolin warrior is able to perfectly simulate such a circular leg swing without being actually hit.

____


FIST, did you miss Messi 2nd goal?
I like it even better than the so much praised Maradona "all-time best"

maroule
02-05-2011, 19:00:08
good god i agree with Back!

Funko
03-05-2011, 07:46:35
I missed it as I was at a breast feeding class. :lol:

Fistandantilus
03-05-2011, 12:14:02
FIST, did you miss Messi 2nd goal?
I like it even better than the so much praised Maradona "all-time best"

No. I managed to see both goals actually :D
Missed the red card tho.

On the 'theatrics' it's nothing surprising, I remember how Busquets managed to send Motta off against Inter last year, and those things are widespread, but it has to be addressed in constructive way, until you get an advantage in the game you're playing who cares about suspensions and stuff?

Otoh there was a piece written by the 'secret footballer' on that argument few days ago on the Guardian which was so full of jingoistic crap it almost made me vomit :lol:

Funko
03-05-2011, 12:56:50
Yeah, it was a bit jingoistic.

I liked this bit though:

In the end it was once again left to the greatest player on earth to provide the fireworks and restore a little bit of my faith in the beautiful game. One of his best attributes is that he doesn't dive; he takes the kicks, gets up and gets on with the game.

Cristiano Ronaldo once said that God put him on this earth to play football. We'll have to ask Lionel Messi if he remembers doing that.

Funko
03-05-2011, 15:41:25
They're going to Collina professional!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/03/uefa-pierluigi-collina-barcelona-madrid

maroule
03-05-2011, 16:31:46
smart from UEFA, as a totemic presence on the touchline, he is the closest you'll get from a universally respected ref, and won't provide an easy target for Mour

Funko
04-05-2011, 07:40:45
Mourinho didn't even go to the stadium.

The best team went through.

maroule
04-05-2011, 14:32:38
indeed, I don't see how even madrid supporters could contest Barca's superiority... they're just a better team, full point.

Funko
05-05-2011, 08:15:03
Really looking forward to the final.

Fistandantilus
05-05-2011, 08:18:00
It will be in London as I predicted!!

Back!
05-05-2011, 09:45:52
indeed, I don't see how even ManU supporters could contest Barca's superiority... they're just a better team, full point.
ok

Funko
05-05-2011, 09:57:15
They are certainly a better team but they have shown they are susceptible to conceding goals, especially from set pieces. Arsenal got absolutely battered over two legs but managed to only lose 4-3 on aggregate.

And I think ManU's defence is better than Madrid's... and Madrid got 2 draws and a win in 4 matches.

Plus Football is a game where the best team often doesn't win. So should be an interesting final. I don't expect it to be one sided in scoreline, even if it is in terms of posession.

Fistandantilus
05-05-2011, 10:23:56
The best team often wins also!!!

Will be supporting ManU regardless, down with the latins :mad:

Funko
05-05-2011, 10:46:34
The best team often wins also!!!

I've never seen that happen.

Back!
05-05-2011, 10:55:23
Will be supporting ManU regardless, down with the latins :mad:

so you'll ultimately be rooting for

ManU b. Barça who b. Real who b. Spurs who b. AC

not forgetting that
ManU also had b. Schalke who b. Inter

Back!
05-05-2011, 11:08:33
in any case, no Treble this year!

maroule
05-05-2011, 15:00:36
I have a slight preference for Barca, but no dislike for ManU, so any result will work for me as long as we see a proper match / the head says Barça though

Funko, I agree, but ManU's defence is not noticiably stronger than when they last met (i.e when the smallest player on the pitch scored a header)

Funko
05-05-2011, 15:03:14
IIRC Rio was not quite fit, and certainly not in the form he is now. Think him and Vidic are a lot better as a pair than they were 2 years ago.

Funko
05-05-2011, 15:04:22
It could be that it ends up being as many as 9 of the ManU team from that final vs as many as 7 of the Barca players.

maroule
05-05-2011, 15:15:22
that's a strong case for stability (vs Madrid or even Arsenal)

Funko
05-05-2011, 15:29:19
Or a strong case for "if you have a team good enough to win league and get to champs league final, you don't need to change a huge amount"

maroule
05-05-2011, 15:34:19
1/ true only if you have mountains of cash, as CL/league winners like Porto, or finalists like Monaco and others clubs from smaller leagues discovered
2/ even winners tinker (Etoo for Ibra being an example)

Funko
05-05-2011, 15:47:00
Yeah, tinker, not wholesale change.

Funko
05-05-2011, 15:48:40
I don't know if a Porto/Monaco could win it these days.

maroule
06-05-2011, 08:04:38
yep, seems difficult to believe

Funko
09-05-2011, 09:17:18
Really great performance by United against Chelsea. Deserved to win by more.

Greg W
09-05-2011, 11:33:23
Yeah, two good penalty calls knocked back.

Funko
09-05-2011, 11:52:47
I think the ref got both those right, but have seen them given.

Just poor finishing in front of goal. Normally ruthless Hernandez missed 2 chances much easier than the one he scored, amazing goalline clearance from Alex from Rooney.

Greg W
09-05-2011, 12:22:49
Nah, the one where it hit his hand, he had his arm raised away from his body. I agree it wasn't intentional, but even Martin Tyler (I think) said it was a penalty. Mind you, I'm not that worried about it, was a spur of the moment thing and they can be hard to judge as refs.

Now that Ivanovich (I think? The Chelsea #2) should have been sent off for a second bookable offence too. Damned thug. :p

And congrats to Milan for winning the Serie A! :beer:

Funko
09-05-2011, 12:49:55
Even Martin Tyler?

Utd fans, gracious as ever in victory.

Greg W
09-05-2011, 13:16:57
Always! :beer:

Fistandantilus
09-05-2011, 13:47:10
Nah, the one where it hit his hand, he had his arm raised away from his body.


Could go either way, handballs are difficult to judge, the only clearcut one I saw it's been Kewell's one at the WC.

Greg W
09-05-2011, 14:01:58
Was that payback for the Milan comment? ;)

Fistandantilus
09-05-2011, 14:45:19
Absolutely :p

Greg W
10-05-2011, 09:34:55
:lol:

Fistandantilus
10-05-2011, 20:45:09
So, as we do not want to leave any news out

Milan 2 - 2 Palermo
Palermo 2 - 1 Milan

Congrats to Milan for going out in the semis in the Tim cup! :beer:

Back!
11-05-2011, 10:02:40
Same display as in CL vs Spurs
I can't figure out in the wildest how such a band of uneffective dorks could manage to win a league title.
Must be all their oppononents who tripped in each other's feet.

PS: positive effect, is Palermo will now go to EL instead of Juventus (unless Roma beats Inter tonite and then wins the cup).
And Palermo will drag furtherly down Italy's UEFA coefficient, so we'll have less and less italian teams in Europe in the coming seasons
:beer:

Fistandantilus
11-05-2011, 10:39:02
Having less teams (as will Italy do next season) is a blessing for the coefficient. :beer:

Back!
11-05-2011, 12:13:12
not if the remaining ones are those who then notoriously give up in europe without fighting, especially Palermo.
And which performance will gather Napoli in CL? Last time they were there, with Maradona in the squad, they managed IIRC to go out at 1st or 2nd round vs Stuttgart or some USSR team

ftsop (for the sakè of precision) next season Italy will *qualify* less teams from SerieA to the following CL+EL, but will still *have* the same 7 teams in europe (4+3), for the last time

Fistandantilus
11-05-2011, 12:33:06
Yeah but did Juventus perform well in the EL? They failed to win a single game and went out in the group stage. And that was the in form side with Quagliarella and so on that were around top of serie A in that period.

Unless the approach to the EL changes Italy will always underperform as a whole cause they simply view it as a nuisance (cost and time wise) rather than an opportunity.

I'm not sure how Napoli will do in the CL. Otoh Portugal is the best footballing nation this year according to that coefficient, and I'm not sure how those team would perform if they had to play in the CL either.

Funko
11-05-2011, 12:46:16
Same kind of view in England.

Fans have started singing "Thursday night, channel 5!" as an insult to fans of teams that make it to EL.

King_Ghidra
12-05-2011, 12:41:52
I don't know if a Porto/Monaco could win it these days.

But Schalke made the semi. Aren't they precisely of that ilk?

yes they were massively eclipsed by man u over two legs but the same should have happened vs inter. it's a cup, anything is still possible. how is cl football different in 2011 than in 2004?

King_Ghidra
12-05-2011, 12:55:24
Also, if we take that Porto team, we're talking about a european club of relative wealth and with excellent facilities, managed by what we now know to be one of the world's great managers, and featuring players who turned out to be winners at the very highest level for most of their careers.

i would suggest that a theoretical future team with those attributes would have every chance of winning the CL.

maroule
12-05-2011, 14:03:06
theoretically I agree, and I even want to believe it, but the palmares says otherwise

apart from Porto in 2004 (which had Mour, deco, etc.), and possibly Borussia in 97, there are no "B+" clubs winning it for the last 15 years... just always members of the top 10 biggest spenders... this year obviously being no different

one obvious reason seems to be that you need a big (=expensive) team to go all the way; a smaller team (restricted to 11-12 top notch players) is streched immediately by injuries/accumulation of matches => even if it overperforms in CL compared to league (because players are more motivated by it / example this year of Lyon), the stretch can't last forever...

the Schalke example might just be the best illustration: in a cup format, you can surprise a big team once or twice (esp when they feel wobbly), but at some point you'll hit the cold hard reality, and boy was that Man U slap a resounding one... I suspect they would have been similarly slapped by Barca and even Real...

Funko
12-05-2011, 14:46:59
I think the financial gap is even more extreme these days than it was in 2004.

You need a good season to qualify for the champions league, and it seems like as soon as that happens, one of the top clubs (or worse, a very rich non-champions league English team) will come in and poach your two best players with financial deals the smaller leagues can't match.

I think it'd take a very strong chairman with financial backing above what the smaller leagues have to be able to keep hold of the team for the second season.

I didn't say it wasn't possible, it just feels even harder than it was. And in the 10 years before 2004 we didn't have anyone outside the top 4 leagues in the final. Ajax were the last ones, and they had very similar attributes to Porto. So maybe it's no harder than it always has been in the Champions League era.

Or maybe it's just the apparent quality and consistency of the top few teams now.

Funko
12-05-2011, 14:50:24
But I totally take the point it is possible, it's a cup. But it is a cup designed to test you to the max. Home and away and seeding mean the big teams and the established teams have an entrenched advantage over a straight knockout.

Back!
12-05-2011, 16:45:11
will Platini's Financial FairPlay put a curb on this gap?

I honestly don't know, but I doubt it

Greg W
13-05-2011, 01:42:09
I guess it's almost like a Championship side winning the FA Cup. How often does that happen?

Funko
13-05-2011, 07:08:19
will Platini's Financial FairPlay put a curb on this gap?

I honestly don't know, but I doubt it

It would take away the option for a big money owner to ramp a team up to that level quickly, like Chelsea or Man City.

maroule
13-05-2011, 07:28:51
that would be good, not only for football, but also for ethics.

the one reform they should push through is forbidding unreasonnable debt levels... any other company would go bankrupt in a flash... Greece looks like a paragon of sound financial management compared to clubs who spend like drunken sailors (or like americans buying real estate they can't afford)... it also would bring salaries down (both footballers and intermediates, creating 0 value).

I mean, money doesn't equate health or interest => football was certainly no less entertaining in the 70s', when there was 1.000 times less money in it.

Fistandantilus
13-05-2011, 09:33:13
It would take away the option for a big money owner to ramp a team up to that level quickly, like Chelsea or Man City.

And that is a big problem. Journalists would have their prewritten "buying a title" cliches made useless :(

Funko
13-05-2011, 10:00:57
I'll be surprised if the big clubs can't find a way round it.

If you can't have some of the hospitality boxes costing £50m a season to hire and be paid for by 'close friends' of the owner you don't deserve to be an ogliarch.

maroule
13-05-2011, 10:12:32
well, you can forbid transfers for clubs that have a debt above a certain level... somehow oligarchs like to spend on star transfers, but don't like to plug gaping debt holes so much...

Fistandantilus
13-05-2011, 11:11:58
If you want to level the playing field put a salary gap in place, the rest is just a palliative.

Fistandantilus
13-05-2011, 11:28:20
Nothing is lost tho, just make the correct decision europe!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/13/fifa-sepp-blatter

Back!
13-05-2011, 11:49:27
put a salary gap in place

was that a freudian slip for salary Cap?

...orrr did I just PHd one of your best puns?

:lol:

Fistandantilus
13-05-2011, 11:50:50
:p

Back!
16-05-2011, 07:30:57
Same kind of view in England.

Fans have started singing "Thursday night, channel 5!" as an insult to fans of teams that make it to EL.

Still, there's an exciting fight for the last EL place in premiership

Spurs got to CL QF, kept in contention all season for a CL berth, and risked to lose europe altoghether after an amazing Liverpool comeback.
But they overturned the trend by raiding the field of the same team who just overtook them, and who could have sealed the deal.

It' isn't over yet tho, as Spurs still need to beat Birmingham, who're fighting to avoid relegation. Should Liverpool win at already safe Villa, a draw would see Spurs dry again.

____


That's linked to the above consideration, as FA will only send in EL one of Tottenham or Liverpool, to make place for League Cup winner Birmingham themselves and FA Cup finalist Stoke.
That's the verdict of the field and it has to be accepted.
England's UEFA coefficient it's not a risk, but rivalries apart wouldn't you've felt better represented in EL by Liverpool, rather than by Stoke andh B'ham? (who could well still be relegated!).
Of course an underdog making a Fulham-like run would lend even more epic to the achievement, but that can only happen once in a while, not every season...

Funko
16-05-2011, 08:01:44
They want to maintain the UEFA place for the League Cup winners to stop it descending even further into farce. They suspect that if they removed the Europa place you'd get all Premiership teams sending reserve sides, not just the Champions League teams.

That is already happening though!

Back!
23-05-2011, 08:05:58
...the UEFA place for the League Cup winners to stop it descending...

well, it didn't stop Birmingham descending into Championship
;)

back to topic (semifinals), 2004 semifinalist Deportivo La Coruña just got relegated.

and Monaco are in danger too:
they're currently bottom 3d alone at 44, trailing 3 teams at 45 (Valenciennes, Caen, Nancy) and 3 at 46 (Auxerre, Brest, Nice)
in last match they'll have to face O.Lyon, who need tho 1 point to avoid PSG to steal them the last CL berth (and that wouldn't even be enough should PSG win by 4 @ St.Etienne, who in turn have no goals left to fight for). With just 1 point v Lyon, Monaco would need Caen to lose vs runner-up OM, and/or Nancy to lose vs relegated Lens (or Valenciennes to lose by 6 vs Nice...)

I know, 2004 was 7 years ago, but still, a "quasi-recent" CL semifinalist relegated and a finalist on the verge, in 2 top leagues, wow

Back!
22-02-2012, 08:04:34
I missed it as I was at a breast feeding class. :lol:

bump, lest this Best Post Evah got lost forever

:D