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Greg W
01-12-2010, 05:27:43
To be announces in a bit over a day and a half, with England, the Netherlands, the USA and Australia in the running to win hosting rights to one of the tournaments.

2018 is between:
4/5 - Russia
7/4 - England
3/1 - Portugal & Spain
25/1 - Belgium & Netherlands

2022 is between:
4/5 - USA
9/4 - Qatar
5/2 - Australia
12/1 - South Korea
20/1 - Japan

Rough odds quoted there from an article I found. I hope that Elle McPherson can be our trump card! :cute:

Funko
01-12-2010, 09:17:26
South Korea or Japan can't win, they just had it!

I'm sure Australia would do a good job, and it'd have a good legacy for Football, so good luck.

(but I don't fancy the timezone to watch matches!)

And fingers crossed for England too.

Greg W
01-12-2010, 14:01:24
Yeah, I was thinking the same about Japan and Korea. And the US had it in 94. I probably would have preferred to see Mexico get it than the US for that reason alone, but they pulled out.

I'd like to see England and Australia, so fingers crossed there. :beer:

Funko
01-12-2010, 16:47:55
Hmm.

awarding the bid to any member of the Asian confederation (which includes Australia and the other non-U.S. bidders) would prevent FIFA favorite China from hosting the Cup until perhaps 2034. Odds: 5/2.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/dec/01/world-cup-2018-world-cup-2022

Cort Haus
01-12-2010, 16:52:13
I think it's shocking that countries that have hosted it in within the last 20 years should be even allowed to bid, let alone in the last 10.

USA :q:
Japan and Korea :q::q::q:

Hmmm, no thumbup/down smileys here :rolleyes:

Mr. Bas
01-12-2010, 16:53:17
I'm hoping for Australia in 2022 as well, but after switching federations, it indeed seems rather unlikely.

Belgium/Netherlands 2018 would be awesome, but I agree that we have a rather slim chance. Spain/Portugal with their Latin connection, or Russia being new WC territory and having a government that's not too worried about transparency/corruption both wouldn't surprise me.

Fistandantilus
01-12-2010, 17:51:44
Qatar would be nice, good time zone :p

Greg W
01-12-2010, 18:00:57
Not for the players it wouldn't be.

Walrus Feeder
01-12-2010, 18:52:47
England really should get it. Will be a travesty if we don't.

Funko
02-12-2010, 08:43:53
Russia and Spain/Portugal have good bids too though, and Portugal and Russia have never hosted.

MOBIUS
02-12-2010, 10:24:05
Spain has though. Not to mention the fact both they and Portugal are in deep financial trouble.

Russia has all the distance issues between stadia, not to mention having to build 13 from scratch.

England could host a World Cup virtually tomorrow if it wanted to.

Funko
02-12-2010, 11:37:33
Some people saying that's almost a negative, the legacy for the country being too small.

Funko
02-12-2010, 15:30:59
Russia and Qatar? A victory for corruption.

Fistandantilus
02-12-2010, 15:39:58
Yay qatar

Funko
02-12-2010, 15:41:09
Good that the internet is so much faster than the official announcements.

They still haven't announced Qatar I don't think

Fistandantilus
02-12-2010, 15:43:19
Nope, I'm looking at them live and there is Blatter blahing a lot :lol:

Mr. Bas
02-12-2010, 17:31:22
I'm fine with Russia, not exactly the most democratic country but that has never stopped FIFA. And at least they have the size, population, culture and climate (even though it still is bloody hot in summer).

But Qatar? That is by far the worst choice for a World Cup location ever. Total disgrace.

The Shaker
02-12-2010, 18:41:40
Australia only got 1 vote?


and why on erth are these things secret votes? ought to be done openly instead, after all if you believe your choice is the best then i can't see any reason to hide it?

The Shaker
02-12-2010, 19:15:06
And the next bid gets underway...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-11902696

Fistandantilus
02-12-2010, 19:22:30
But Qatar? That is by far the worst choice for a World Cup location ever. Total disgrace.

Why? Due to weather conditions?

Scabrous Birdseed
02-12-2010, 19:28:06
I quite like the Qatar bid. It's great that the most democratic and relatively most progressive arab country gets another chance to show itself off to the world, counteracting that worrisome islamophobic trend that runs through europe. Plus they're super-rich and will build amazing-looking new stadia.

Mr. Bas
02-12-2010, 20:20:33
Weather for starters: it's a desert with temperatures up to 50 degrees in summer. It's a country with only one place that can be called a city, and even that one is from all accounts not that interesting. It might be progressive from an Arab perspective, it's still extremely conservative: homosexuality is illegal, women's rights are poor, immigrants' rights are very poor. It's a bloody tiny country, with 6 stadiums built in places which are not even close to being a city. The entire bloody population can barely fill the stadiums.

It'll basically be twelve stadiums in the middle of the desert, and in one medium-sized city. But I'm sure they have enough money to build amazing stadiums.

Also, it'll be interesting to see how they will deal with scantily clad Brazilian and Swedish ladies, homosexual fans, hordes of Europeans, South Americans and East Asians dying for a couple of beers, or Israel qualifying.

Greg W
02-12-2010, 23:19:07
I think the Qatar bid winning just proves that this is more about money than anything. As the bribery scandal early on proved. Fairness and rightness very rarely has much to do with announcing WC hosts.

I don't necessarily think that Australia should have won the bid. We've only been to three WCs and have just recently moved into Asia for qualifying. I'm disappointed, but not overly surprised that we didn't make it. But Qatar? That's a joke for most of the reasons Mr Bas stated. Also the fact that those massive new stadia they're going to build will have no real lasting legacy for the rest of the country. They'll just sit there, massive white elephants until the next time Qatar hosts anything significant.

Russia I can kind of understand as they have never hosted it. As for size, unless they're hosting games in Siberia (or anywhere in the Eastern side of the country) then it will be no worse than the US or Australia. I haven't read the bid, but I imagine all the stadia will be in the European sphere of Russia?

Mr. Bas
02-12-2010, 23:56:03
Pretty much all the Russian places are in the European part, with one or two cities in the Ural region. Should be just as manageable, in principle at least, as Brazil or the US.

MOBIUS
03-12-2010, 12:06:43
Also the fact that those massive new stadia they're going to build will have no real lasting legacy for the rest of the country. They'll just sit there, massive white elephants until the next time Qatar hosts anything significant.

Actually, one of the clever things about the Qatar bid is that they're going to dismantle the majority of the stadia and ship them off to Africa (way to buy off the African votes!). ;)

It will definitely be by far the least sustainable WC in the history of the sport though... :(

MOBIUS
03-12-2010, 12:09:12
Pretty much all the Russian places are in the European part, with one or two cities in the Ural region. Should be just as manageable, in principle at least, as Brazil or the US.

I'm not too against the Russian bid in principle to be honest. It's just the blatant corruption of how they got it that disgusts me.

Venom
03-12-2010, 14:13:04
I would buy the legacy crap, but FIFA doesn't care about the legacy of the sport or anything like that. The current FIFA only care about the legacy of FIFA. So all this "First time ever" stuff will rule the bidding process until they run out of countries so they can slap themselves on the back and say "oh we changed the world".

It'd be nice if they would throw the founding fathers and drivers of world football a World Cup to reward the fans, and players, but that's not going to happen probably for another 30 years. China will need it, and I'm sure they'll want to throw it to India as well. Next on the docket for Europe Iceland and Luxemborg).

And Greg, Mexico has already hosted it twice, so they were wise not to waste their time.

The Shaker
03-12-2010, 22:20:09
still don't understand why South Korea bothered.
More so where they got 4 votes from in the first round.
Then again I haven't looked at any of the bids.

The Shaker
03-12-2010, 22:22:44
And the flip flop political voting... Holland-Belgian lost 2 votes,and Japan 1 even though they were still in the running.

So who wants to set up a rival world sporting federation?

Fistandantilus
04-12-2010, 10:23:34
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/9391328

Cool! :D

MOBIUS
08-12-2010, 11:03:59
I hope the FA tells FIFA to go fuck themselves over that idea! :)

Fistandantilus
09-12-2010, 11:51:32
As Blatter says "Bad losers" :mad:

Funko
09-12-2010, 11:52:06
Oh, totally.

MOBIUS
09-12-2010, 12:30:37
Yep, we're such bad losers that we're not going to fuck up our league just for some tinpot cup competition. :)

OTOH, our players would probably be at the height of their powers at that point - so there wouldn't be any excuses about burn out etc... :cute:

Greg W
10-12-2010, 05:37:53
I want to see Qatar try and bring the temperature down in a stadium from 50 degrees centigrade down to the promised 27. I'm sure it's possible, I'd just like to see it done and then hear the costs behind it. And then laugh as the African countries can't afford to power the A/C when they're moved. :violin:

MOBIUS
10-12-2010, 11:32:47
Apparently Qatar got the bid on the back of a British company that had successfully achieved it with a smaller building - so we might get the last laugh after all by getting a ton of money for building all their stadia...:D

Fistandantilus
10-12-2010, 15:55:15
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/dec/10/michel-platini-qatar-world-cup-january

Go go go.


"The temperature in Dallas was 45C (113F), if I'm not mistaken, in 1994 and nobody criticised the US at the time," he said.


:lol:

Cort Haus
11-12-2010, 00:55:45
OTOH, our players would probably be at the height of their powers at that point - so there wouldn't be any excuses about burn out etc... :cute:

I know the excellent Aaron Ramsey will have been captain of Wales for ten years by then, but will you have enough good players to get to the finals?