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27-08-2010, 12:32:30
http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=1520076.html
groups draw

Mr. Bas
27-08-2010, 18:13:28
Group J looks interesting, it seems to be the only group with three 'big' teams at this level. And yes, I'm probably a bit biased against Eastern European teams, but I'm generally just not so excited to watch Steaua Bucharest or Spartak Moscow. PSV and AZ will not be too unhappy, although I can't quite judge the level of Belarusian, Hungarian or Moldovan teams, it must be doable. Utrecht needs to beat Napoli or Liverpool, which is unlikely to happen but not impossible.

Although I'd love to see the Dutch teams do well, what is also important is outperforming Ukraine, Turkey, Russia, Portugal and Greece, our direct competitors in the UEFA coefficient business.

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30-08-2010, 06:34:29
AZ is the only dutch side not facing an italian one in their group - FACT

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30-08-2010, 07:19:47
Although I'd love to see the Dutch teams do well, what is also important is outperforming Ukraine, Turkey, Russia, Portugal and Greece, our direct competitors in the UEFA coefficient business.

here's the pre-group ranking after the effect of the current season preliminary rounds


country 07-10 # 2011 current # +/- teams

England 67.428 1 3.357 70.785 1 = 6/7
Spain 64.115 2 2.214 66.329 2 = 7/7
Germany 53.770 3 3.333 57.103 3 = 6/6

Italy 48.981 4 2.857 51.838 4 = 7/7
France 42.928 5 2.750 45.678 5 = 5/6
Portugl 32.796 8 4.000 36.796 6 +2 4/5

Russia 33.791 7 2.583 36.374 7 = 4/6
Ukraine 33.800 6 2.416 36.216 8 -2 4/6
Turkey 30.450 9 2.600 33.050 9 = 2/5

Netherl 28.963 10 3.166 32.129 10 = 5/6
Greece 26.566 11 2.800 29.366 11 = 4/5
Denmark 23.850 12 3.500 27.350 12 = 2/5

Romania 22.658 13 1.833 24.491 13 = 2/6
Belgium 22.400 14 2.000 24.400 14 = 3/5
Scotlnd 21.541 15 2.000 23.541 15 = 1/5

Switzer 19.000 16 3.100 22.100 16 = 3/5
Israel 17.375 17 3.625 21.000 17 = 1/4
Austria 16.325 19 3.375 19.700 18 +1 2/4

Czech R 17.350 18 1.500 18.850 19 -1 1/4
Cyprus 14.999 20 3.125 18.124 20 = -/4
Bulgar. 13.250 21 2.875 16.125 21 = 2/4

Slovak. 11.499 25 3.000 14.499 22 +3 1/4
Croatia 11.999 23 2.375 14.374 23 = 2/4
Serbia 10.750 27 3.500 14.250 24 +3 1/4
Sweden 11.525 24 2.600 14.125 25 -1 -/5
Norway 12.000 22 1.875 13.875 26 -4 1/4
Belarus 10.208 28 3.625 13.833 27 +1 1/4

Poland 11.416 26 2.000 13.416 28 -2 1/4
BosniaH 7.249 30 1.875 9.124 29 +1 -/4
Finland 7.166 31 1.800 8.966 30 +1 -/5
Ireland 7.708 29 1.000 8.708 31 -2 -/4
Hungary 5.750 34 2.250 8.000 32 +2 1/4

Lithuan 7.083 32 0.625 7.708 33 -1 -/4
Latvia 6.915 33 0.500 7.415 34 -1 -/4
Georgia 5.082 36 1.875 6.957 35 +1 -/4
Moldova 5.624 35 1.125 6.749 36 -1 1/4


with the exception of Portugal, you already catched up a bit points in the preliminary vs the preceding countries

it's good that you have 5 teams left
as all teams now will play 6 group matches, the more teams you have left the more chances to add points you have

rather than running on Por, Rus, Ukr who are now 4 points ahead with 4 teams left, you'd better focus your curses on Turkey who are less than 1 ahead and only have 2 (albeit their game points will have to be divided by 5 while yours by 6)

Bursaspor will be likely get 4th in their CL group and add no more points thereafter
Besiktas might advance to EL ko stage, you should hope for CSKA Sofia or Rapid Wien to eliminate them

On your side, Twente would do a big operation in clinching 3rd spot ahead of one in Inter, Werder, Spurs, and go on playing in EL
For Ajax that should be easier accomplished, with a chance to pip AC for runnerup too.
In EL, as you said, the only team facing a difficult qualification is Utrecht

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for this season Eredivise only 3 teams will qualifiy to next EL, paying last season bad performances

should you succeed surpassing Turkey again, you'd regain a 4th EL berth from 2011/12 Eredivisie
But beware that the following season you'd lose a couple coeff points vs your competitor countries again
So you'd better start stashing as much as you can now already

Fistandantilus
30-08-2010, 16:33:34
What did Ukraine do to be to best footballing nation in 08/09 :eek:

Mr. Bas
30-08-2010, 19:23:37
I guess Shaktar Donetsk winning the UEFA cup and not too many Ukrainian teams bringing down the average helps quite a lot. :)

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31-08-2010, 07:17:50
What did Ukraine do to be to best footballing nation in 08/09 :eek:

for the benefit of other unadvised readers:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/ccoef2009.html

And what about Romania 2006?
:)
anyway Ukraine 2009 coefficient was the lowest top-table score in the last 5 seasons

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31-08-2010, 07:37:59
I guess Shaktar Donetsk winning the UEFA cup and not too many Ukrainian teams bringing down the average helps quite a lot. :)

Indeed:

Shaktar and Dynamo 3rd in CL groups with a decent 9 and 8 points
then in Uefa Cup they beat Spurs, CSKA, OM, Dynamo (semifinal UKR derby), and Werder in the final

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_UEFA_Cup

Dynamo had eliminated Valencia, Metalist (another UKR derby) and PSG before meeting Shaktar in the semi

Metalist themselves had eliminated Sampdoria before getting stopped by Dynamo. They had topped with 10pts a group with Galatasaray, Olympiacos, Benfica, not exactly a walk. Adding antoher point too getting past Besiktas in the preliminary

Only Dnipro disappointed and dragged the average down, getting out at first tie in the earlier round, on away goals vs Bellinzona (!)

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08-10-2010, 14:34:50
link for the future

http://en.uefa.com/uefa/mediaservices/newsid=1543414.html

The Executive Committee also approved an amendment to the UEFA Europa League for the 2012-15 cycle, starting from season 2012/13. A new access list was approved that allocates fixed slots with direct access to the UEFA Europa League group stage for the cup winners of the six top-ranked associations. This allocation of slots has a direct impact on the qualification path, and adaptations will have to be made to the access list in order to accommodate these changes.

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20-12-2010, 08:30:27
for the sake of updateness

http://en.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=1580080.html

Round of 32 & Round of 16 draw

Benfica / Stuttgart v BATE / PSG
Beşiktaş / Dynamo Kyiv v Aris / Manchester City
Rubin / Twente v Young Boys / Zenit
PAOK / CSKA Moskva v Sevilla / Porto
Lille / PSV v Rangers / Sporting
Metalist / Leverkusen v Napoli / Villarreal
Anderlecht / Ajax v Basel / Spartak Moskva
Sparta Praha / Liverpool v Lech / Braga

City, Zenit, Porto, Liverpool and possibily Ajax are clear favorite (if not sure winners) of their brackets

the PSG, PSV and Bayer/Villarreal ones look much more open and interesting

maroule
20-12-2010, 10:11:18
there are some decent teams this year, I'm almost interested.

PSG is, surprise surprise, playing well and winning like they're back in the 90s' again, they're at the moment the best playing French team. They should pass easily BATE and pose a threat to bigger teams. The brazilian NÚnÚ has been outstanding this season.

Lille plays pretty well too right now, but PSV is a different animal, and I remember them grinding Lyon to a defeat not too long ago.