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paiktis
26-08-2010, 17:24:35
(hehe, did a little trick there with the title)

Ok. For Greece it starts Saturday with China.

England has no basketball, austria no, holland, no, maybe some italians can participate and of course the favorite for gold, usa.

if i see any spaniards i'm going to shoot them

not really (love)


greece got crushed by the usa which has a very nice team, in a friendly match.
but after the dishartening and shameful fight with serbia, everyone was a bit cold. didn't want to do anything to provoke and have another bad moment for our guests. so of course usa is better (this year) but not that better as that match showed. and our two 5's were out of the match (small injuries)

paiktis
26-08-2010, 17:28:47
as a side note, the turks organized their match with greece to be in the 30th of september, their national holiday (which is of course about the massacring of greeks - well not really, or yes really). in ankara.
the match will be important because whoever wins will get to avoid usa and spain.

paiktis
26-08-2010, 17:34:25
oya crap... fiba announced now that it has suspenced fotsis and schortsianitis for two matches.... for the incidents with serbia. doesnt matter for china buit dont know who are next opponent will be.

also kristic 3 and theodosic got suspended for 2 games.


just ruling imo. even though it's bad for the teams it was very well deserved.


crap. the second match is with puerto rico, without them two, that really screws us up


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnbBUGPLYmQ&feature=related
thats what happened with serbia, digraceful and for me the real guilty person is ivkovic the serb koatch. i'll say no more, but that there is a huge fight between olympiakos and panathinaikos (many serbs play in the greek tournament) and this animosity carried over to the national teams which is INEXCUSABLE.

Fistandantilus
26-08-2010, 18:13:23
Italy have to beat Montenegro tonite (game starts in 20 mins) just to have some hope qualifying for Euro 2011 :lol:

We are more concerned about that than the World championship :p

paiktis
26-08-2010, 18:19:26
wow true. italia is not in the cup! how come?
oh how the (well not mighty) sympathetic have fallen :D

and the puerto ricans are already starting to make fun of us, saying they want to win a full greek squade, not have an excuse.
grgrggrrr

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27-08-2010, 08:09:01
in Eurobasket 2011 qualifications, Italy uselessy beat Montenegro by 1, squandering a 15p lead in 3rd qtr
now they'r behind both Montenegro and Israel in h2h points, so they're behind whichever team they'll tie for 2nd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroBasket_2011_qualification
now they'll have to fight for last berth via next year additional round
BTW, "England has no basketball"...: GB is the first team to clinch one of the 5 spots from this qualification round, with one match still to go


the problem is the format, where qualification for World Cup goes thru Eurobasket championships (and vice-versa!)
After silver in Athens 2004 Olympics, Italy struggled to get in Eurobaskets, leave alone World Cups

you can check here all teams and details for the current WC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIBA_World_Championship

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27-08-2010, 08:25:54
wow true. italia is not in the cup! how come?
oh how the (well not mighty) sympathetic have fallen :D


fallen in the last 6 years, true
but in the previous 20 they've been anyway mightier than albeit rampant Greece, in Europe at least
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroBasket#Participation_details
:p


it's true instead in WC that Italy only had two 4th places in the '70s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_World_Championship#Participation_Details
Greece equalled that in the '90s, before the brilliant World silver in 2006

paiktis
27-08-2010, 14:47:34
very useful links thank you!

(also lithuania must be crap at this tournamnent? havent heard good things)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxcHnAY3vZM&feature=related

paiktis
28-08-2010, 18:07:42
greece win> china
lithuania >new zealand
australia> jordan (by 1 point!)
slovenia>tunisia
russia> puerto rico (by significant difference, maybe pr isnt so tough)
libanon>canada
serbia>angola (94-44:D)
usa>croatia


will try to find online watch for spain vs france

paiktis
28-08-2010, 20:35:53
wow....
france beat spain (in yo asssss!)
tres jolie.
i dont want a medal just to slam dunk the spanish.

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30-08-2010, 07:45:56
wow, Russia held below 60

WOW, Greece is the only team taking more 3P attempts than 2P ones!

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30-08-2010, 08:08:02
Field Goal Shooting
Per-Game stats
2 matches played

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/statistics/p/top-teams.html

my table highlights in percentage [ 3PAttempts / Total FG attemps (2P+3P) ] in the last column

FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% TFA 3P/TF
Greece 15.5 29 53.4 12 34.5 34.8 63.5 54.3%
Canada 16 34.5 46.4 9 28 32.1 62.5 44.8%
Russia 12 31.5 38.1 7.5 23.5 31.9 55.0 42.7%
Jordan 16 37 43.2 9.5 26.5 35.8 63.5 41.7%
Austral 21.5 37 58.1 6.5 25.5 25.5 62.5 40.8%
New Zld 20.5 42.5 48.2 8 29 27.6 71.5 40.6%
Sloven 20.5 36 56.9 7 24.5 28.6 60.5 40.5%
Spain 18 32.5 55.4 9.5 22 43.2 54.5 40.4%
Argentn 16.5 32.5 50.8 8 22 36.4 54.5 40.4%
C.d'Iv 14.5 40.5 35.8 7.5 27 27.8 67.5 40.0%
Serbia 21.5 41 52.4 9 27 33.3 68.0 39.7%
USA 28 44 63.6 11 28.5 38.6 72.5 39.3%
Turkey 16.5 37.5 44.0 10.5 24 43.8 61.5 39.0%
Lithuan 20.5 36.5 56.2 6.5 23 28.3 59.5 38.7%
Croatia 21 43.5 48.3 9.5 25 38.0 68.5 36.5%
France 21 34.5 60.9 7 19.5 35.9 54.0 36.1%
Tunisia 14 37.5 37.3 6.5 20.5 31.7 58.0 35.3%
P.Rico 19.5 40 48.8 7.5 21.5 34.9 61.5 35.0%
Germany 20 39.5 50.6 9 21 42.9 60.5 34.7%
Angola 16.5 40.5 40.7 6 21.5 27.9 62.0 34.7%
Lebanon 16 38 42.1 7 19.5 35.9 57.5 33.9%
Brazil 22.5 42 53.6 6.5 20.5 31.7 62.5 32.8%
China 19 43 44.2 7 18 38.9 61.0 29.5%
Iran 21.5 48.5 44.3 3.5 14.5 24.1 63.0 23.0%

paiktis
30-08-2010, 13:14:12
wow, Russia held below 60

WOW, Greece is the only team taking more 3P attempts than 2P ones!

That is really noteworthy but you know why this has happened? (it will change).

Because china played zone defense throughout the game :lol:
why?
because without fotsis (classical periphery shooter) and without schortsianitis (insde racket tank) they thought they could break us.

And they were right! Of course we didn't lose but they made it difficult.

Puerto Rico said hey if china did this let's do it also.

Ok. Both teams had audacity leaving us compltely free to shoot 3 pointers all the time :D (if they did that against spain, they'd be picking their teeth from the ground with huge point difference, navaro would score 50 points)

We have played badly so far even though we won.

I think the game starts tomorrow vs turkey (and 15.000 enraged turkish fans and the refferees). Just how we like it :D
(btw i have no problem with a "hot atmosphaire", it is to be expected, but if ANYTHING out of order happens with turksih fans (like throwing things etc on world class players, I hope FIBA reaction will be EXAMPLERY like it was for the acropolis game)

paiktis
30-08-2010, 13:19:51
btw the iranians posting in fiba website are hilarious. They keep saying how they'll beat the us with 50 points difference :D

i also watched a bit russia vs turkey, it was a lot of boxing. no good circulation of the ball at all. we are ages ahead. only US can counter us (on a good day).
US is so strong this year for one reason imo. they learned to play defence...
also i had quite a long time to see such physical game between greece and pr. and that ramos guy looks like he's out of a mafia environment. (i'm sure he's sweet and he loves his mother but look at him!)
i wonder if there is a site where you can watch all the games. i missed serbia vs germany and i'm very pissed. (also serbia really paied for the exclusion of their players, which is sad and a pointer to everyone (greece included) that brawls have no place in basketball, especially since little kids look up to those players as role models).

Fistandantilus
31-08-2010, 16:25:19
Exciting game the Brazil-USA one. :beer:

paiktis
31-08-2010, 19:57:40
it was...


well crap. fair is fair and square is square and there is one truth and that is the turks simply and rather undeniably massively wanted the victoty more than us.

so congrats to them, they have a match to remember.


only one tiny thing.


if you are invited to the house where your girl's mother is, you don;t go" oh i'm sorry miss robinson, did i almost stain your beautiful silk table sheet with my tea cup"?


no you're "i'm gonna give it to your mother too"

and it was that mentality that was missed by the greek team.
so nice and polite.

anyway, the truth doesnt change. turks wanted it so much more, they had a coach that was able to direct them (i've never seen so many different adjusted zone defence systems in a game) and congrats to them.

paiktis
31-08-2010, 20:02:22
and the audience was sizzly fucked engraged hot but nothing out of correct.
when the greek anthem was playing there was no booing, when the turkish was playing they tore the house down.

so it was a dream of them coming true and i hope they enjoyed it.


although if i was on court i'd slam dunk bitch slap knee kick break the first turk i saw just to spice things up. like bourousis did onbly for some seconds, like fuck them mother fuckers. but we were oh so polite. of course now the players are fathers and want to see their daughters again. so what if the greek team was coming in and out of the court from underground passages to guaranteee their safety? fuck. of course you could die playing in ankara.

we were fucking gay.

paiktis
31-08-2010, 21:29:28
and one thing i am afraid now is china got it but didnt make it, puerto rico got it but didnt make it, turkey got and made it.
we have become darn amuricans. we shortsircuit against zone defence.
i know we are paramount but that kicking your balls in superiority was evaporated by some darn turks playing at 150% of personal capacity each and everyone of those.
i fear all other teams are going to play us zone defence and if they can come with the adjusted numbers zone defence of the turk coach we are baked. although they all will have to play at 150% capacity. and i think only the turks teared apart their insides to do that. against a team which was saturated with medals.

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01-09-2010, 06:37:20
WOW, Greece is the only team taking more 3P attempts than 2P ones!

That is really noteworthy but you know why this has happened? (it will change).

Because china played zone defense throughout the game :lol:
why?
because without fotsis (classical periphery shooter) and without schortsianitis (insde racket tank) they thought they could break us.

And they were right! Of course we didn't lose but they made it difficult.

Puerto Rico said hey if china did this let's do it also.

Ok. Both teams had audacity leaving us compltely free to shoot 3 pointers all the time :D (if they did that against spain, they'd be picking their teeth from the ground with huge point difference, navaro would score 50 points)


LOL, was it Turkey too forbidding you to get in the paint and forcing you to take 60% of your shots behind the arc ???

in last match:

2P FG: 12/22 54.5% this is 24pts for 22 shots
3P FG: 10/33 30.3% this is 30pts for 33 shots

this has "wrong strategy" labelled all over it

Fistandantilus
01-09-2010, 08:05:16
if you are invited to the house where your girl's mother is, you don;t go" oh i'm sorry miss robinson, did i almost stain your beautiful silk table sheet with my tea cup"?

no you're "i'm gonna give it to your mother too"


:lol:

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02-09-2010, 07:38:03
I did it for FIFA WC 2010,
I'll do it for FIBA WC 2010 too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIBA_World_Championship#Tie-breaking_procedure

At the end of the preliminary round, any ties will be broken by the following criteria [...]:

1. Game results between tied teams
2. Goal average between games of the tied teams
3. Goal average for all games of the tied teams
4. Drawing of lots
point 2 only applies when more than 2 teams are tied, as a tie with 2 teams will always be resolved by point 1 (given that basket has no draws)

Note that Goal Average (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal_average) is not the same as Points Difference. I could not find a link to official regulations stating the tie-breaking criteria, I only read it on wiki.
But on the official site there's a table
http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/p/group-standing.html
for the "COMPARATIVE RANKING (by game points & goal average)" which instead uses Points Difference (as usual)
Thus I think the confusion in terminology is just due to ignorance of those who run the official site.
(albeit currently the two criteria would yield the same ranking anyway)

That said.

Group A

Serbia can beat Argentina to reach them at 4 wins, and take them 1st place
by losing Serbia would be reached at 3 wins by the winner of Aus-Ang, but they've have beaten them both so Serbia can't lose 2nd place
Germany can reach at 2 wins the loser of Aus-Ang, but they lost vs both so germans can't take 4th place anyway and are already eliminated
- ARG-SRB the winner will take 1st place, the loser will be 2nd
- AUS-ANG the winner will take 3rd place, the loser will be 4th


Group B

USA is 1st (could get reached by Slovenia who they've beaten)
SVN is 2nd (could get reached by the winner of Bra-Cro who they've both beaten)
BRA-CRO the winner is 3rd, the loser is 4th (could get reached by Iran who've lost tho vs both)


Group C

TUR is 1st (could get reached by the winner of Gre-Rus who they've both beaten)
GRE-RUS the winner is 2nd, the loser is 3rd
Puerto Rico is ahead of China in case they both win
So China to qualify need to beat Turkey (!) and P.Rico lose vs Ivorians (!)
In case they both lose, they get reached by Ivory Coast too for a 3-way tie, all with 1 win vs each other, and criterium 2 will apply
China won vs CIV by 10, and lost vs PUR by 8, their "tied PD" is +2
if PUR lose by 6 or less they're 4th
if CIV win by 13 or more they're 4th
in-between China takes the place
In summary will qualify as 4th
- PUR if they win, or if they lose by 6 and China lose
- CHN if they win and PUR lose, or if they lose and PUR lose by 7 to 12 points
- CIV if CHN lose and they beat PUR by 13


Group D

beating Lithuania, Lebanon might reach Spain or New Zealand should eiterh or both lose, but they've lsot with both so they can't take 4th place in any case

LTU is 1st (could only get reached by France who they've just beaten)

NZL can get 2nd if they beat France AND Spain lose vs Canada (!!)
if they bet France but Spain wins too they'll all be tied with 1 win vs each other
SPA lost vs FRA by 6, and won vs NZL by 17, their "tied PD" is +11
NZL need thus to win by 29 to take 2nd place from SPA, and to win by 12 to take 3rd place from FRA

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02-09-2010, 08:04:35
1A-4B Arg/Srb vs Cro/Bra
2D-3C FRA(Spa,Nzl) vs Rus/Gre

1C-4D TUR vs NZL(Fra,Spa)
2B-3A SVN vs Aus/Ang
_____

1B-4A USA vs Ang/Aus
2C-3D Gre/Rus vs SPA(Fra,Nzl)

1D-4C LTU vs PUR(Chn,Civ)
2A-3B Srb/Arg vs Bra/Cro


seeing above, it might be better for you to LOSE today vs Russia
:D

Greece - Russia will be the 1st key match played today, followed by
Argentina - Serbia
New Zealand - France
Brazil - Croatia

Fistandantilus
02-09-2010, 10:36:40
But I think paiktis would like to watch a Greece-Spain game :)

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02-09-2010, 15:25:23
Gr.C PUR-CIV 79-88 ! This qualifies China as 4th whichever their result this evening vs Turkey!

Gr.A AUS-ANG 76-55, AUS 3rd ANG 4th

Gr.D SPA-CAN 89-67
now if FRA beat NZL they'll be FRA 2nd, SPA 3rd, NZL 4th
if FRA lose they're behind SPA anyway: SPA, FRA, NZL
if NZL win by 12 they take 3rd from FRA: SPA, NZL, FRA
by 29 they get 2nd ahead of SPA too: NZL, SPA, FRA



1A-4B Arg/Srb vs Cro/Bra
2D-3C FRA(Spa,Nzl) vs Rus/Gre

1C-4D TUR vs NZL(Fra)
2B-3A SVN vs AUS
_____

1B-4A USA vs ANG
2C-3D Gre/Rus vs SPA(Fra,Nzl)

1D-4C LTU vs CHN
2A-3B Srb/Arg vs Bra/Cro

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03-09-2010, 07:04:53
if i see any spaniards i'm going to shoot them


the [Tur-Gre] match will be important because whoever wins will get to avoid usa and spain.
But I think paiktis would like to watch a Greece-Spain game :)

And he got it!!!
:D

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03-09-2010, 07:23:26
anyway, wow, Spain started by losing with France, and then falling vs Lithuania in 3rd match too
France won their first 3 matches
New Zealand lost vs LTU and SPA by 13 and 17, and the wins over minnows Lebanon and Canada looked like all those they'd get

and bang, France lose the last match to NZL, with just the points needed to fall one more notch from 2nd to 4th (instead of 3rd), and Spa soars to 2nd with a double leapfrog



1A-4B SRB vs CRO
2D-3C SPA vs GRE

1C-4D TUR vs FRA
2B-3A SVN vs AUS
_____

1B-4A USA vs ANG
2C-3D RUS vs NZL

1D-4C LTU vs CHN
2A-3B ARG vs BRA


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIBA_World_Championship_knockout_stage

A South American derby
And a Serbo-Croatian one! (do they still speak the same language, Serbo-Croat or Serbo-Craotian indeed?)

paiktis
04-09-2010, 20:26:51
i am really devasted. i;ll read all the statistics later.


if i was a violent man, i'd find out where the two shistanophone referees wew living and i'd do terrible terrible thigns to them.


i have terrorised all that slum neighborhood im living with my cursing and yelling and i'm exausted.
i didnt go out with TWO girls in order fot this game.


i dont have it in for the spanish, they can be accidentaly nuked for all i care have a re re conquista fucking al qaeda leveling their fucking desert cpountry.




but the referees, im going to get you mother fuckers.

paiktis
04-09-2010, 20:36:02
Referees: Reynaldo Antonio Mercedes Sanchez (Dominican Republic) and Jose Anibal Carrion (Puerto Rico)

only the american one was just and fair.


these cocksuckers sons of bitches motherfuckers banana eating slum dwelling godamn sold out spaniard copy hispanophobics god damn bastard bullshit fakers dwarfs si senioro vermin WORMS shoulkd never be allowed to see the time of day and light of day aagain.

remember these names. we'll end their carreer.

paiktis
04-09-2010, 20:40:13
and now serbia will fuck you up the hispaniophonic team of SEVEN till their dicks come out of your throat.

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07-09-2010, 09:45:20
I'm afraid this thread won't get much attention from now on
:D

after 2 close games, Eighth–finals offered us 4 "blowouts" making me doubt this is mostly a moot round

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIBA_World_Championship_knockout_stage#Spain_ vs._Greece

Spain vs. Greece
The second game of the knockout phase was a rematch of the 2006 FIBA World Championship final between Spain and Greece. Like the previous meeting, Spain prevailed, winning 80–72 over the Greeks. The game was tight for three quarters and Greece led by one entering the final quarter before Spain used an 18–6 run to pull away.[4] Spain switched from a man-to-man defense to a zone defense to begin the fourth quarter, and Greece could not take advantage, missing nine of 12 three-pointers in the period.[5] Juan Carlos Navarro scored a game-high 22 points and Ricky Rubio dished out six assists for Spain in the victory. Nikolaos Zisis scored 16 points for Greece in the loss.

With the victory, Spain has now eliminated Greece in the knockout stage of each of the last two FIBA World Championship and Eurobasket tournaments. Spain owns a five-game winning streak over the Greeks in major international competitions, dating back to the 1998 FIBA World Championship. Following the loss, Greek basketball icon Dimitris Diamantidis – widely acknowledged as one of the best players in the country's history – announced his retirement from the national team


I saw Russia-NZL first half
Russia only score two in the first 6 minutes, trailing 9-2
then they scored 20 in the next 8 minutes, taking the lead 22-21 for the first time after 4 mintues in Q2
They continued to expand the break up to a 13-0 and led halftime 31-27
The "Tall Blacks" clung to the game till 38-35 but then suffered another 13-0 and that wrapped it for Russia

I think Lithuania - China will be another blowout, I hope Argentina-Brazil will be more closely fought

QFs look definitely more promising

Fistandantilus
07-09-2010, 11:37:26
.. Spain owns a five-game winning streak over the Greeks in major international competitions ...


Ouch!

Cheshire Cat
07-09-2010, 11:45:34
on a threadjack, Fist, you look very expert and keen about MLB,
but aren't you following your own country baseball final series?
didn't the fact that you won EuroBaseball again after a long time rise the interest in domestic league too?
iI reckon you don't have a top series team in your town, do you side for any team in this series, or in the league?

</threadjack>

Fistandantilus
07-09-2010, 13:15:01
I am following them on TV yes. But, as I also have a season long subscription with mlb.tv and regularly watch mlb games on streaming, I have to admit the feeling is really not the same.
Dunno why, it's several things. One of them is the commentator, he usually spends a helluva lot of time explaining the rules and fails to capture the important stuff. I know that maybe he's instructed to do so but it's like watching a football match and being reminded the offside rule in full everytime someone is called offside.
At times is so boring that I often turn the sound off :lol:

I don't think winning the Euros raised much interest, In europe it's either Italy or Holland and even if it was a long time since our last title most people don't see it as an extraordinary feat. I think the World Classics or the olympics raised more interest as a whole.

As for the team.. I sympathize for the team Dallospedale plays in so now it's Parma :D
He's born in my town and I personally know him (even if he's 3 years younger and we never played the same team). He plays middle infielder like I did. Of course he had a little more success than me as he made the national team :p

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08-09-2010, 11:11:47
we never played the same team. He plays middle infielder like I did. Of course he had a little more success than me as he made the national team :p

wow, you had a professional baseball career? didn't know that
great admiration

________

now, after that feline distraction, let's get back to Basket

Lithuania-China
watched beginning of 2nd half, and till 4th minute they were still tied 48-48
and I missed China leading by 11 in the first half!
then Baltics gort their break vs the chinese bench, and i thought it was over
peeked again in it towards the end, China had cut close to -6 again, but that was all
better match than expected

Argentina-Brazil
what a match, alway close and fought point-to-point (or 3-point to 3-point!)
4th Q began at 66-66
bang, two 3-pointers by Barbosa to give Bra a 6-lead
bang, Jasen replies the same ways to equalise, and they went on with a 13-3 to reverse the lead. It ended 93-89 but was down to one point few seconds earlier
Scola was indeed stellar as wiki says

___


remakable: both Eighth-final ties were decided by h2h group last matches

Serbia - Argentina 84-82
Brazil - Croatia 92-74

this caused in the KO stage these cross-ties

Serbia - Croatia 73-72
Argentina - Brazil 93-89

and poor Brazil had also only lost by 2 vs USA and by 3 vs Slovenia in the group

paiktis
09-09-2010, 22:10:41
Yeah sorry for my outburst. I really love the greek basketball team but I also love basketball as a whole.
It was a very drunken night that night.
Anyway, I do believe the referees played a large part (there's a huge amount of politics going onin FIBA but great teams are supposed to win nomatter the odds, the referees etc and we were not a great team. we were a great teambut without spirit, which i think was dumpened by our fight with serbia and by the rampant climb to medals in recent years)

anyway, serbia against spain was the greatest match.
spain lost (thx serbia) and just to point out

what?

that thirst is the most important thing.

serbia average age: 23

medals acquired: only two players (the older ones) were at the glories of serbia. all others are kids and thirsty.


so good luck to serbia for the win of the whole damn thing.

paiktis
09-09-2010, 22:13:54
also good luck to turkey (gasp!) yes because they really fight. reminds me of the glories of 1989 in athens in a way. and good luck to usa which up to now was rather proffessional also to what regards referees and their team.


and IVCOVICH i hate that bastard but he is, without question the best basketball coach in the world today.
so serbia, win it all go home to belgrade with the trophy and see you when, maybe, we can get out of this nation wide DEPRESSION that has gripped the country and we dont know what to do.
there's a lost generation , financially and not even the greek basketball team can pull the chariot anymore. just abandonment.