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12-08-2010, 09:31:52
Iceland end Germany's title defence (http://en.uefa.com/under21/matches/season=2011/round=2000006/match=2000143/report/index.html)

Unde(r)fendable

I wonder is this the first time since holders are required to qualifiy

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12-08-2010, 10:16:36
is this the first time since holders are required to qualifiy

correction: unlike other major events, for U-21 championships the holders have been always required to qualify normally for the final tournament (or the KO QF stage prior a proper final tournament began getting hosted by a single country in 94)

France won in 88 and failed to qualify for 90 QF
URSS won in 90 and failed to qualify for 92 QF
Italy won in 96 and failed to qualify for 98 FT (QF)
Czech Rep won in 02 and failed to qualify for 04 FT (groups)
(they won qualification group but lost playoff vs Switzerland)

in 2007 defending Champions Netherlands were also Hosts which made them exempt from qualifying

Netherlands won in 07 and failed to qualify for 09 FT (they were 5th best RU where only 4 best advanced to playoffs)

so, it already happened 5 times out of 16 applicable, that defending U-21 champions failed to qualify for next final tournament (or QF stage)

this makes German fall less thunderous
losing 4-1 to ICELAND anyway....

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01-09-2010, 09:49:13
http://www.uefa.com/under21/news/newsid=1521683.html#play+places+grabs

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06-09-2010, 09:07:11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_UEFA_European_Under-21_Football_Championship_qualification

http://www.uefa.com/under21/news/newsid=1523139.html

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06-09-2010, 09:54:50
Gr.1
Russia-Romania
Russia must win by 3 to take 1st place from Romania
failing that, they start with 15 pts and +8 GD in the race for best 4 groups runner-up

Gr.2 SWITZERLAND
for Runner-up (taking out points vs Eire, last in this 6-teams group)
GEO 13 +5 vs Arm
Tur 10 -2 is out (no matches to improve their best-RU score as their last match is vs Eire)

Gr.3
ITA-WAL for 1st place, ITA need to win 1-0 or by 2 to equal WAL at 16 and get 1st
with a 2-1 win WAL woulf be 1st for group GD
with a win by 1 with more goals WAL wold be 1st on h2h away goals
in all the above cases the other team will be runner-up with 16 and +7 at least
shoud ITA draw they'd be out as runner-up with 14, but Hungary could hope in faint chances by largely beating Bosnia and overtakin ITA as runnerup with 15 and a GD to greatly improve

Gr.4 NETHERLANDS
runner-up SPA 16 +9 @Poland

Gr.5
Iceland, who eliminated Germany, must win by 3 in Czech Rep to equal them at 19 and take 1st place
failing that, they start with 16 pts and +20 GD (!) as best runner-up so far

Gr.6
SWE 16 +9 @Bulgaria (group last)
ISR (13 +5) v MNE (13 +3)
with a draw MNE would be runner-up but eliminated at 14
in any other case the runner-up will have 16 pts (if SWE lose they'd be ahead MNE and behind ISR on h2h)

Gr.7 CROATIA (ahead Svk even if reached at 17)
SVK 14 +3 vs Nor (last in group)

Gr.8 UKRAINE (ahead Belgium in h2h with a game in hand too)
BEL 15 +3 no match to play (France will reach them beating Malta, but lost h2h)
Belgium are currently the 4th best RU but in serious risk of elimination should any of Aut/Eng/Svk draw or Ita/Geo/Mne win

Gr.9 GREECE
ENG 14 +5 vs Lithuania
with a draw Engalnd would pip Belgium at 15, but it most likely woiuldn't be enough as one of those just listed above will easily do better. They need to win

gr.10 :clueless:
BLR 14 +4 vs Aze
SCO (14 +8) vs AUT (14 +7)
if Scotland and Austria draw (and Belarus don't lose at home!), Austria would be runner-up at 15
should either win, the runner-up will be at 17 counting that BLR would beat last-in-group Azers

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06-09-2010, 10:11:36
sooo...

after Germany, France and Portugal already eliminated, who else is at risk?

England will likely win, as will do Slovakia, and they'll both be at 17
Spain won't suicide in Poland, will they?
Iceland might need at least a draw in Czech, they'd have the best GD at 16, but 4 teams might probably get at 17 or more

this says that Russia might be out at 16 with a draw, they'll go all-out to win

Scotland - Austria promises to be the hardest fought in-or-out match, wondere if they'll cancel each other out, blocked on a draw

This leaves just the tiniest hopes for Italy and Wales to get thru as runner-up with 16, they'll fight to top the group or bust
Welsh just need to lose by one scoring

MOBIUS
08-09-2010, 09:56:58
Oh yeah, trust the MoSe-like qualities of the enigmatic Back! to have everything worked out...:cute:

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08-09-2010, 09:58:10
first an update about group winners

Gr.1 Russia needed a 3-0, got stopped on a home 0-0 and stayed 2nd

Gr.3 Italy caught a long way, and pipped Wales with the minimum result

Gr.5 Iceland needed an away win by 3, lost 1-3 instead and stayed 2nd

Gr.6 Sweden won in Bulgaria to secure top place, they just needed a draw

Gr.10 Scots made good use of home advantage and that was enough to win the group as they were ahead on h2h in a tie with Belarus

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08-09-2010, 10:19:59
now what's happened in the race to 4 best runner-ups

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_UEFA_European_Under-21_Football_Championship_qualification#Ranking_of_ second-placed_teams

Spain just needed a draw, they won in Poland and pass as best RU

among those starting with 14 pts, England and one of the Gr.10 tied teams won, making two RU with 17pts (Belarus turned out to be the RU of Gr.10)

Slovakia instead, despite their senior team WC sensation and good Euro 2012 start, fell @home to table-bottom Norway, throwing literally away what would have been the 4th runner-up playoff spot. Indeed two other teams who could have got 17 or more, failed to do so.

Russia needed a 3-goal victory to win the group, but needed just any win to qualify as RU with 18pts. With a draw they stopped at 16.
Iceland too lost their game and stopped as RU with 16, but they had such a huge GD that they snatched last playoff berth available, leaving dry all other runnerups with the same points

Russia then, and Wales who were left with the short straw by Italy, and Israel whose 5-0 win over Montenegro turned out moot (they'd have needed a 14-0!)

Georgia didn't even finish as RU, but that's because they lost their last home match vs Caucasian Enemy Armenia (!)
They'd have needed a 14-0 too, anyway

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08-09-2010, 10:31:59
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_UEFA_European_Under-21_Football_Championship_qualification_play-offs
all in all
after Germany, France and Portugal, the only other big name to crash is Russia

you might argue that Iceland and Belarus to playoff in place of Turkey or Poland or Serbia might be a bit of a surprise, but I don't think that much

http://www.uefa.com/under21/news/newsid=1524722.html

the draw will be held friday 10, the home-and-away playoff ties will take place in a month

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10-09-2010, 08:24:19
http://www.uefa.com/under21/news/newsid=1525482.html

watch it live on UEFA.com from 12.30CET.

2011 UEFA European U21 Championship play-off draw pots

Bowl A
Sweden, Netherlands, Czech Republic, Romania, Italy, Croatia, Scotland

Bowl B
Greece, Switzerland, Ukraine, Spain, England, Belarus, Iceland

Back!
10-09-2010, 10:47:29
and the first tie is England v Romania

Back!
10-09-2010, 10:53:28
England v Romania
Netherlands v Ukraine
Spain v Croatia
Switzerland v Sweden
Iceland v Scotland
Czech Rep. v Greece
Italy v Belarus

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13-10-2010, 07:19:26
after Germany, France and Portugal, the only other big name to crash is Russia


and now in the playoff we lost Netherlands and Italy too, and Sweden and Scotland

Denmark
England
Spain
Ukraine
Czech Rep.
Switzerland
Belarus
Iceland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_UEFA_European_Under-21_Football_Championship

The final tournament draw for the 2011 UEFA European Under-21 Championship will be made on 9 November 2010 in Aalborg, Denmark

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13-10-2010, 10:02:33
It's also true that in U21 tournaments we normally see much more turnover from one tournament to the other, every two years teams get almost completely renewed by the new generation coming up

A bit of history:
:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Under-21_Football_Championship

The competition has existed in its current form since 1978

17 Championships have thus been completed so far, Denmark 2011 is the 18th edition

There has alway been a Qualifying stage, and a Final stage
Up to and including the 1992 competition, all entrants were divided into eight qualification groups, the eight winners of which formed the quarter-finals lineup. The remaining fixtures were played out on a two-legged, home and away basis to determine the eventual winner
From 94 on, a Final Tournament was hosted in a single country
in 94 and 96 the Quarterfinals were still played Home and Away, single-legged Semifinals and Finals were played in the Final Tournament
in 98 Quarterfinals were included in the final tournament too, and played in a single match, albeit still as knockout

From 2000 on the current format was adopted, dropping KO QFs and shifting to the familiar two groups of 4, followed by KO Semifinals and Final

In the following table, Q stands thus for "Qualified" since 2000, and as "Qauterfinalist" before 2000
In the "total" columns, Q include S which include F which include W
(i.e. England qualified 10 times, 8 thereof advanced to Semis, 3 then got in the Final, of which they won 2)
I did not tally the current 8 qualifyed teams, lest it looked as if they all got eliminated in QFs in the tournament to be palyed next year
:D


TEAM Q S F W 11 09 07 06 04 02 00 98 96 94 92 90 88 86 84 82 80 78

Italy 16 10 6 5 - S Q Q W S W - W W W S Q F S Q Q Q
Spain 10 6 4 2 Q Q - - - - S W F S - Q Q W F Q - -
England 10 8 3 2 Q F S - - Q Q - - - - - S S W W S S
Netherl 6 4 2 2 - - W W - - Q S - - Q - S - - - - -
Russia 5 3 2 2 - - - - - - - Q - Q - W - - - S W -
Serbia 8 7 4 1 - Q F S F - - - - - - F - - S - S W
France 8 5 2 1 - - - S - F - - S S - - W Q Q Q - -
Czech R 10 2 2 1 Q - Q - - W F - Q Q Q Q Q - - - Q Q
Germany 8 2 2 1 - W - Q Q - - Q Q - Q Q - - - F - -

Greece 4 2 2 - - - - - - Q - F - Q - - F - - - - -
DDR 2 2 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - F F
Sweden 6 4 1 - - S - - S - - Q - - F S - Q - - - -
Portugal 6 2 1 - - - Q Q S Q - - Q F - - - - - - - -
Ukraine 1 1 1 - Q - - F - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Scotland 6 3 - - - - - - - - - - S - S - Q - Q S Q -
Denmark 4 1 - - Q - - Q - - - - - - S - - Q - - - Q
Hungary 4 1 - - - - - - - - - - Q - - - - S - - Q Q
Switzerl 2 1 - - Q - - - Q S - - - - - - - - - - - -
Belgium 2 1 - - - - S - - Q - - - - - - - - - - - -
Bulgaria 2 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - Q - - - - - S
Slovakia 1 1 - - - - - - - - S - - - - - - - - - - -
Norway 1 1 - - - - - - - - - S - - - - - - - - - -

Poland 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - Q Q - - Q Q Q - -
Belarus 2 - - - Q Q - - Q - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Croatia 2 - - - - - - - Q - Q - - - - - - - - - - -
Finland 1 - - - - Q - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Israel 1 - - - - - Q - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Turkey 1 - - - - - - - - - Q - - - - - - - - - - -
Romania 1 - - - - - - - - - - Q - - - - - - - - - -
Albania 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Q - - -

Iceland - - - - Q - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


(Russia, Serbia Czech and Germany inherit respectively USSR, Yugo, Czechoslovakia and W.Germany results)

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13-10-2010, 10:59:52
the quirk is, in the recent years UEFA U21 serve also as Olympics Qualification for Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_at_the_Summer_Olympics#Changes_and_develo pments

Because of the unusual format, several of the historically strongest footballing countries have unimpressive Olympic records.
[...]
Italy has only won once the Olympic title, in 1936, with two bronzes and has the most number of appearances in the tournament (15) and it is the only team present in every edition from 1984.

In Europe, Olympic football struggles to get serious attention as the Summer Olympics are held in the same year as the more prestigious UEFA European Championships.


Well, no more now, as Italy got knocked out by Belarus in extra time after having won 1st playoff home leg 2-0
:clueless:

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13-10-2010, 12:24:21
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13-10-2010, 12:28:41
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_at_the_Summer_Olympics

Here's a table with european countries participating in Olympics Football
It starts 1984 when professional players were admitted for the first time (albeit with age/experience limitations)

For the sake of this thread tho, UEFA U21 doubled as Olympics qualifiers since 92 only.
In 84 & 88 separate UEFA qualification groups were still held

Before 2000 UEFA was granted 5 berths at the Olyimpics (including 92 hosts Spain)
Since 2000 they were reduced to 4 (including '04 hosts Greece), coincidentally the current UEFA U21 finals format began at the same time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_at_the_Summer_Olympics#British_non-involvement
In time scope of this table, Home Nations never entered Olympics qualifying.
Now, as England will host 2012, they got allowd by the other 3 british associations to take part as England U21 team, i.e. not as Gret Britain.

This leaves 3 other olympic berths to be assigned in next year's tournament in Denmark


TEAM Q 12 08 04 00 96 92 88 84

Italy 7 - q q q q q q q
Serbia 4 - q q - - - q q
Spain 4 q - - q q Q - -

Portugl 2 - - q - q - - -
France 2 - - - - q - - q
Sweden 2 - - - - - q q -
Germany 2 - - - - - - q q

England 1 Q - - - - - - -
Switzer 1 q - - - - - - -
Belarus 1 q - - - - - - -
Netherl 1 - q - - - - - -
Belgium 1 - q - - - - - -
Greece 1 - - Q - - - - -
Czech R 1 - - - q - - - -
Slovak. 1 - - - q - - - -
Hungary 1 - - - - q - - -
Denmark 1 - - - - - q - -
Poland 1 - - - - - q - -
Russia 1 - - - - - - q -
Norway 1 - - - - - - - q

Ukraine - - - - - - - - -
Iceland - - - - - - - - -


uppercase Q indicate Olympic Hosts

Back!
30-08-2011, 08:14:24
hey, nobody seems to have cared at the time

Spaniards won U-21 too, it's their season

Belarus won the olympic qualifier over Czechs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_UEFA_European_Under-21_Football_Championship