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21-06-2010, 17:19:01
or as they say in portuguese and spanish, Mata-Mata (Kill-Kill)

PROVISIONAL BRACKET after round 2


day
26 1A-2B: URU-KOR
26 1C-2D: SVN-GER

28 1E-2F: NED-(ITA=NZL)
28 1G-2H: BRA-ESP*
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27 1B-2A: ARG-MEX
27 1D-2C: GHA-USA

29 1F-2E: PAR-JPN
29 1H-2G: CHI-POR


(*provided Spain beats Honduras tonite by mnore than 1-0)

Fistandantilus
21-06-2010, 17:25:05
26 1C-2D: SVN-GER


:lol:

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21-06-2010, 17:36:07
hey those aboveare not predicitons, I sticked tightly to current standings, as a starting point


(team pts gd/gs)

Group A: URU 4 +3/3, MEX 4 +2/3, FRA 1 -2/0, RSA 1 -3/1 URU-MEX FRA-RSA
Group B: ARG 6 +4/5, KOR 3 -1/3, GRE 3 -1/2, NGA 0 -2/1 ARG-GRE KOR-NGA
Group C: SVN 4 +1/3, USA 2 = /3, ENG 2 = /1, ALG 1 -1/0 SVN-ENG USA-ALG
Group D: GHA 4 +1/2, GER 3 +3/4, SRB 3 = /1, AUS 1 -4/1 GHA-GER SRB-AUS
Group E: NED 6 +3/3, JPN 3 = /1, DEN 3 -1/2, cmr 0 -2/1 NED-cmr JPN-DEN
Group F: PAR 4 +2/3, ITA 2 = /2, NZL 2 = /2, SVK 1 -2/1 PAR-NZL ITA-SVK
Group G: BRA 6 +3/5, POR 4 +7/7, CIV 1 -2/1, prk 0 -8/1 BRA-POR CIV-prk

Group H: CHI 6 +2/2, SUI 3 = /1, ??? ESP-HON tonite

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21-06-2010, 18:27:18
details about 1st four groups

26 1A-2B: URU(MEX) vs KOR(GRE/Arg, Nga)
26 1C-2D: SVN(USA/ENG) vs GER(GHA,SRB, Aus)

28 1E-2F: NED-(ITA=NZL)
28 1G-2H: BRA-ESP*
_________

27 1B-2A: ARG(Kor,Gre) vs MEX(URU, Fra/Rsa)
27 1D-2C: GHA(GER,SRB) vs USA(ENG/SVN, Alg)

29 1F-2E: PAR-JPN
29 1H-2G: CHI-POR


(team pts gd/gs)

Group A: URU 4 +3/3, MEX 4 +2/3, FRA 1 -2/0, RSA 1 -3/1 URU-MEX FRA-RSA
Uru & Mex both qualify with a draw, with Uru 1st and Mex probably meeting Arg
- MEX 0-1, FRA need 4-1, RSA need 4-0
- URU 0-1, FRA need 4-0, RSA need 5-0

Group B: ARG 6 +4/5, KOR 3 -1/3, GRE 3 -1/2, NGA 0 -2/1 ARG-GRE KOR-NGA
Arg 1st if don't lose, Nga out if don't win
- GRE need to beat ARG by 3 to overtake
- GRE 2-1 KOR 1-0, ARG 1st by gd KOR 2nd by h2h over GRE
- GRE 2-0 KOR 1-0, ARG 1st GRE 2nd
- GRE 3-0 KOR 1-0, GRE 1st ARG 2nd
- GRE 2-2 KOR 0-0, GRE 2nd
- NGA 2nd by gd IFF GRE & KOR both lose, by any score

Group C: SVN 4 +1/3, USA 2 =/3, ENG 2 =/1, ALG 1 -1/0 SVN-ENG USA-ALG
- SVN 1st if they win, Eng out
- SVN qualified if draw, ENG if win, position depends if&how USA win
1) ENG win
- ENG 2-1 USA 1-0, USA 1st
- ENG 3-2 USA 1-0, DRAW LOTS
- ENG 4-3 USA 1-0, ENG 1st
- USA draw, SVN 2nd
- ENG 1-0 ALG 3-2, SVN 2nd
- ENG 1-0 ALG 4-3, ALG 2nd
2) ENG draw
- SVN 0-0 USA 1-0, USA 1st
- SVN 1-1 USA 1-0, DRAW LOTS
- SVN 2-2 USA 1-0, SVN 1st
- ENG 1-1 USA 0-0, USA 2nd
- ENG 2-2 USA 0-0, DRAW LOTS
- ENG 3-3 USA 0-0, ENG 2nd
- ALG win, they get 2nd, Eng & Usa out
3) ENG lose: they're out, SVN 1st, USA 2nd if don't lose, ALG 2nd if win
COMMENT: ALG almost held SVN, and held ENG... can't see why they shouldn't hold USA too

Group D: GHA 4 +1/2, GER 3 +3/4, SRB 3 =/1, AUS 1 -4/1 GHA-GER SRB-AUS
- GHA & AUS win: GHA 1st, AUS 2nd
- GER 0-0 AUS 6-0, GER 2nd by gd
- GER 3-3 AUS 7-0, AUS 2nd by gs
- AUS 2-0: GHA 0-3 AUS 2nd, GHA 1-4 draw lots, GHA 2-5 GHA 2nd
- GHA win 1st, SRB don't lose 2nd
- GHA 0-1 SRB 1-1, GHA 2nd by h2h
- GHA 0-1 SRB 2-2, SRB 2nd by gs
- GER 1-0 SRB 4-0, SRB 1st by h2h
- all draw (with any goals), GHA 1st GER 2nd

Group E: NED 6 +3/3, JPN 3 = /1, DEN 3 -1/2, cmr 0 -2/1 NED-cmr JPN-DEN
Group F: PAR 4 +2/3, ITA 2 = /2, NZL 2 = /2, SVK 1 -2/1 PAR-NZL ITA-SVK
Group G: BRA 6 +3/5, POR 4 +7/7, CIV 1 -2/1, prk 0 -8/1 BRA-POR CIV-prk
Group H: CHI 6 +2/2, SUI 3 = /1, ??? ESP-HON starting now

mr_B
21-06-2010, 18:43:01
what if honduras wins?

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22-06-2010, 06:36:25
jesjes, whatif (http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/standings/whatif.html)?

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22-06-2010, 06:37:35
Group H: CHI 6 +2/2, ESP 3 +1/2, SUI 3 = /1, HON 0 -3/0

PROVISIONAL BRACKET after round 2


day
26 1A-2B: URU-KOR
26 1C-2D: SVN-GER

28 1E-2F: NED-(ITA=NZL)
28 1G-2H: BRA-ESP
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27 1B-2A: ARG-MEX
27 1D-2C: GHA-USA

29 1F-2E: PAR-JPN
29 1H-2G: CHI-POR

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22-06-2010, 07:32:08
Group E: NED 6 +3/3, JPN 3 = /1, DEN 3 -1/2, cmr 0 -2/1 NED-cmr JPN-DEN
NED qualified, Hon out
NED 1st if don't lose, or if JPN-DEN draw (with JPN 2nd by gd)
- if NED 0-1, JPN need 3-1 to get 1st
- if NED 0-2, DEN need 2-0 to get 1st
- if NED 1-2, DEN need 3-0 to get 1st

Group F: PAR 4 +2/3, ITA 2 = /2, NZL 2 = /2, SVK 1 -2/1 PAR-NZL ITA-SVK
ITA & NZL are absolutely equal (!)
- if they both win: DRAW LOTS for 1st/2nd with the same score, otherwise better gd/gs decide
- if they both draw: PAR 1st, DRAW LOTS for 2nd/out with the same score, otherwise more gs decide (e.g 1-1 over 0-0)
- PAR 0-0 ITA 1-0, PAR 1st
- PAR 0-0 ITA 2-0, ITA 1st
- PAR 1-1 ITA 2-0, DRAW LOTS
- PAR 0-1 SVK 3-0, SVK 2nd by gs (NZL 1st, PAR out with ITA)
- PAR 1-2 SVK 3-0, PAR 2nd by h2h
- PAR 0-2 SVK 2-0, PAR 2nd by h2h
COMMENT:
NZL got a lucky 93' equaliser vs awful SVK, got early advantage with invalid goal vs lacklustre ITA and then parked a double decker to bring home a draw (which is all they not only can, but KNOW to do. So that's no criticism to them but kudos indeed for succeeding with their sole tactic)
NZL not losing vs low/avg Eur team: 1 in 20. NZL not losing vs 4yrs ago World Champions in decline: 1 in 100.
That's already 1 in 2K. NZL not losing vs stalwart S.Am. team thrashing the same SVK they barely held: 1 in 50.
That would be 1 in 100K. With a WC every 4 years, the third draw by NZL would be a once in 400 millenniums event. Leave alone winning.
I'd be afraid of ITA qualifying with 3 draws on goals scored, as they did in '82, and then stepping up in next game (2-1 vs Arg in '82, vs NED now), and becoming unstoppable thereafter (3-2 vs BRA in '82, possible QF now vs BRA too)
:nervous:

Group G: BRA 6 +3/5, POR 4 +7/7, CIV 1 -2/1, prk 0 -8/1 BRA-POR CIV-prk
BRA qualified, 1st if don't lose. POR 1st if win, 2nd if draw
CMR out, CIV can qualify only if they win AND POR lose:
- with a combined margin of 10. Examples: POR 0-9 CIV 1-0, or 0-5 5-0, or 0-1 9-0
- with a combined margin of 9, and scoring 7 goals more than POR. Examples
POR 0-2 CIV 7-0, POR 0-3 CIV 7-1, POR 1-2 CIV 8-0
- with a combined margin of 9, scoring 6 goals more than POR, AND winning DRAW LOTS. Examples:
POR 0-3 CIV 6-0, POR 0-4 CIV 6-1, POR 1-3 CIV 7-0

Group H: CHI 6 +2/2, ESP 3 +1/2, SUI 3 = /1, HON 0 -3/0 CHI-ESP SUI-HON
ESP overtake CHI and qualify by just winning. CHI 1st if don't lose
- ESP 1-0 SUI 3-0, SUI 1st by gd
- ESP 1-0 SUI 2-0, SUI 1st by h2h
- ESP 2-1 SUI 2-0, ESP 1st by gs
- CHI 0-1 SUI 1-0, CHI 2nd by h2h
- CHI 0-1 SUI 2-1, SUI 2nd by gs
- CHI 0-2, SUI qualified with any win (see above for getting 1st)
- ESP 2nd, SUI out, if both draw (with any goals)
HON need to beat SUI by 2 to overtake them, AND also ESP to lose by 2 to hope for qualification (* not enough yet)
- HON 1-0 ESP 0-1, ESP 2nd by gd
- HON 1-0 ESP 0-2, ESP 2nd by gs
- HON 2-1 ESP 0-2, SUI 2nd by h2h
- HON 2-0 ESP 0-2, ESP 2nd by h2h (*)
- HON 3-1 ESP 0-2, HON 2nd by gs
- HON 3-0 ESP 0-2 or HON 2-0 ESP 0-3, HON 2nd by gd

Funko
22-06-2010, 07:34:33
If england win by more goals than USA we win the group on goal difference right? Your scenarios cover lots of instances of same gaol difference but different goals scored, if I read it right.

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22-06-2010, 07:40:58
bracket with current standings AND all possibilities in ()


26 1A-2B: URU(MEX) vs KOR(GRE/Arg, Nga)
26 1C-2D: SVN(USA/ENG) vs GER(GHA,SRB, Aus)

28 1E-2F: NED(Jpn,Den) vs (ITA=NZL, PAR, Svk)
28 1G-2H: BRA(POR) vs ESP(SUI,CHI, Hon)
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27 1B-2A: ARG(Kor,Gre) vs MEX(URU, Fra/Rsa)
27 1D-2C: GHA(GER,SRB) vs USA(ENG/SVN, Alg)

29 1F-2E: PAR(ITA/NZL) vs JPN(DEN,Ned)
29 1H-2G: CHI(ESP,SUI) vs POR(BRA, Civ)

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22-06-2010, 07:43:10
If england win by more goals than USA we win the group on goal difference right?

Your scenarios cover lots of instances of same gaol difference but different goals scored, if I read it right.

Yes, starting with same points and gd that was a given, sorry if I didn't make it explicit too
:)

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22-06-2010, 07:51:26
Your scenarios cover lots of instances of same gaol difference but different goals scored, if I read it right.

the summary being:
as you drew USA
- if you both win with same margin
- or if you both draw
the decider will be goal scored

if you score exactly 2 more than USA you'll be all equal and will have to draw lots
- for 1st/2nd if you both win by same margin
- for 2nd/out if you both draw

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22-06-2010, 08:09:53
Added Group F comment above

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22-06-2010, 15:57:27
URU v MEX 1-0
RSA v FRA 2-1


26 1A-2B: URU vs KOR(GRE/Arg, Nga)
26 1C-2D: SVN(USA/ENG) vs GER(GHA,SRB, Aus)

28 1E-2F: NED(Jpn,Den) vs (ITA=NZL, PAR, Svk)
28 1G-2H: BRA(POR) vs ESP(SUI,CHI, Hon)
_________

27 1B-2A: ARG(Kor,Gre) vs MEX
27 1D-2C: GHA(GER,SRB) vs USA(ENG/SVN, Alg)

29 1F-2E: PAR(ITA/NZL) vs JPN(DEN,Ned)
29 1H-2G: CHI(ESP,SUI) vs POR(BRA, Civ)


as it stood

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23-06-2010, 06:50:50
ARG v GRE 2-0
KOR v NGA 2-2


26 1A-2B: URU vs KOR
26 1C-2D: SVN(USA/ENG) vs GER(GHA,SRB, Aus)

28 1E-2F: NED(Jpn,Den) vs (ITA=NZL, PAR, Svk)
28 1G-2H: BRA(POR) vs ESP(SUI,CHI, Hon)
_________

27 1B-2A: ARG vs MEX
27 1D-2C: GHA(GER,SRB) vs USA(ENG/SVN, Alg)

29 1F-2E: PAR(ITA/NZL) vs JPN(DEN,Ned)
29 1H-2G: CHI(ESP,SUI) vs POR(BRA, Civ)


as it stood

in groups A and B the provisional ranking after 2 rounds was kept also after final matches

provisional qualified from group C are 1st SVN - 2nd USA
provisional qualified from group D are 1st GHA - 2nd GER

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Argentina - Mexico met in 1st ko round in WC 2006 too, with Mexico deserving and Argentina going thru to QF (where they fell to Germany)
Germany would need to overturn group D current standing and regain 1st place tonite, to keep alive the chance to repeat that WC 2006 QF

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23-06-2010, 17:16:44
ENG v SVN 1-0
USA v ALG 1-0


26 1A-2B: URU vs KOR
26 1C-2D: USA vs GER(GHA,SRB, Aus)

28 1E-2F: NED(Jpn,Den) vs (ITA=NZL, PAR, Svk)
28 1G-2H: BRA(POR) vs ESP(SUI,CHI, Hon)
_________

27 1B-2A: ARG vs MEX
27 1D-2C: GHA(GER,SRB) vs ENG

29 1F-2E: PAR(ITA/NZL) vs JPN(DEN,Ned)
29 1H-2G: CHI(ESP,SUI) vs POR(BRA, Civ)


this time it all changed

it started with SVN, USA
then at 22' Defoe winner brought ENG on top: ENG, SVN, americans out
it all seemed to be over, but at 92' Donovan made USA leapfrog from nil to top:
USA 1st, ENG 2nd, SVN out!

Had ENG scored more, they'd have retained 1st spot.
Will they regret it?

We'll see tonite who'll win Group D.
And in the eventual QF England will now (likely) meet Argentina, instead of Uruguay

:beer:

Funko
23-06-2010, 18:31:24
USA could have scored 10 on the day too! Fair results I think.

Drekkus
23-06-2010, 20:22:46
Ooooh, ENG - GER!!!!

Funko
24-06-2010, 07:49:03
Yeah, HUGE.

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24-06-2010, 08:24:14
GER v GHA 1-0
AUS v SRB 2-1


26 1A-2B: URU vs KOR
26 1C-2D: USA vs GHA

28 1E-2F: NED(Jpn,Den) vs (ITA=NZL, PAR, Svk)
28 1G-2H: BRA(POR) vs ESP(SUI,CHI, Hon)
_________

27 1B-2A: ARG vs MEX
27 1D-2C: GER vs ENG

29 1F-2E: PAR(ITA/NZL) vs JPN(DEN,Ned)
29 1H-2G: CHI(ESP,SUI) vs POR(BRA, Civ)


Here default predictions went actually in favor of Germany anyway, despite all european big ones had been struggling somehow

both matches were stuck on 0-0 for one hour, and the first to score were Germany

so far the 2nd ranked was Germany at 4pts, with a GD of +3
Serbia was tied at 4 but 3 behind in GD at 0

Suddendly the German goal brought Ghana in 2nd place at 4 pts but with same 0 GD as Serbia. They retained 2nd place only because of 2 goals scored vs one. Even with a 1-1 Serbia would have remained out as they'd be all equal with Ghana but had lost their h2h.
Now that 2nd place got much nearer, things suddenly unlocked in the other match too:
69' Cahill brought Australia at 4 pts. They were still on a GD of -3 tho
73' 4 minutes later Holman brought AUS GD at -2
Now AUS was only 2 goals from qualification, and those 2 goals could come from Germany or from themselves, thus their hopes were justified in the last quarter
84' substitute Pantelic brought tho SRB on 2-1 wiht 6 to go, a show-stopper for Aussies, much like it happened with Malouda goal for South Africans
Did that make Ghana safer in their 2nd place?
NO! as now only one goal separated Serbia from a 2-2, wich would have this time qualified them with GD 0 and 3 goals scored versus Ghana's 2!
Pantelic had another chance very similar to the one he scored, but this time he shot high alone in front of Sojkovic, IIRC.

So Ghana 2nd place resisted till the end (they actuallty had even the chance to equalise, and switch again places with Germany)

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24-06-2010, 09:00:28
Look at "A/C quarter"


1A-2B: URU vs KOR
1C-2D: USA vs GHA


One of the 4 above will be semifinalist!

FIFA rankings: 14, 16, 32, 47!

in the odds I reported from the Eurobet site, non of them was even predicted to even get to QF!
And barely USA to get to R of 16, the other 3 had likeliest odds to get eliminated in the groups

URU should be favorite vs KOR
USA v GHAN could go either way, despite the big difference in Fifa ranking
Personally, I'd say 55% Ghana technically, albeit USA can overturn it with team cohesion and spirit. And nationalist pride.
:D

Funko
24-06-2010, 09:04:17
I know, that is the real cost of England not getting a second goal. Not that we wouldn't struggle against most of those teams. :D But the section we're in is England, Germany, Argentina, Mexico. Significantly harder. And we don't get a semi-final against that group either do we? It's the Spain, Portugal, Brazil, Netherlands half.

Mightytree
24-06-2010, 09:04:45
We're so shit defensively that I'm afraid we'll even make England's offense look good.

But realistically, this is really a 50/50 game. Both teams have glaring weaknesses, and neither team has to be afraid of the other one because of that. I really couldn't predict who will advance there. Definitely looking forward to it though.

Funko
24-06-2010, 09:07:38
1F - 2E vs 1H - 2G

So Paraguay/Italy/NZ - Ned/Jap/Den vs BRA/Por - Spa/Chi

So England's route to the final could be Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Spain

:lol:

Funko
24-06-2010, 09:09:13
We're so shit defensively that I'm afraid we'll even make England's offense look good.

But realistically, this is really a 50/50 game. Both teams have glaring weaknesses, and neither team has to be afraid of the other one because of that. I really couldn't predict who will advance there. Definitely looking forward to it though.

Absolutely.

I just really hope it is decided by some good play and goals, not on a dodgy refereeing decision or penalties.

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24-06-2010, 09:13:38
Sorry, work distractions made me X-post without refreshing
I leave it anyway

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And we don't get a semi-final against that group either do we? It's the Spain, Portugal, Brazil, Netherlands half.

no, look at the bracket above


27 1B-2A: ARG vs MEX
27 1D-2C: GER vs ENG

29 1F-2E: PAR(ITA/NZL) vs JPN(DEN,Ned)
29 1H-2G: CHI(ESP,SUI) vs POR(BRA, Civ)

semifinalist from "B/D quarter" meet semifinalist from "F/H quarter"
Speaking of seeded teams, Netherland and Brazil were supposed to go in one QF, Italy and Spain in the other.
As thigs stand now, I'd expect Ita to fail 1st place, Jpn to defend with barricades their 2nd, Por fail to beat Brazil and Spain to win the group anyway
So in the semifinal you'd evenutall meet the team prevailng from PARvJPN ESPvPOR

check FIFA site too
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/kostage.html

Fistandantilus
24-06-2010, 09:16:31
So England's route to the final could be Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Spain

:lol:

Yeah but does it really matter?
If things start to click and you build on momentum anything can happen.

I actually like England chances in an "open" game more than those against some "park the bus" minnow.
Not to mention it will be more attractive to watch for a neutral.

Drekkus
24-06-2010, 09:17:07
1F - 2E vs 1H - 2G

So Paraguay/Italy/NZ - Ned/Jap/Den vs BRA/Por - Spa/Chi

So England's route to the final could be Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Spain

:lol:

Whatever route you're going to take, eventually you will end up playing argentina, spain or brasil. I think if hollland makes it past the next round (ITA or PAR) we'll be playing Brasil next, so that will probably be the end of it for us.

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24-06-2010, 09:18:31
So England's route to the final could be Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Spain

i'd say Germany, Argentina, Spain, Brazil would be more likely

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24-06-2010, 09:23:10
I think if hollland makes it past the next round (ITA or PAR) we'll be playing Brasil next, so that will probably be the end of it for us.

compare with what mr_B posted in hte predicitions thread:

so my prediction after the groupe fase are:

last 16 : holland Italy bye bye Italy
last 8 : holland Brasil bye bye brasil
last 4 : holland England bye bye cry cry England
last 2 also known as the final holland Spain, ole ole ole ole there goes spain down the drain

:D

Now Eng in the semis is not possible anymore, you'd meet URU or USA in their place

Drekkus
24-06-2010, 09:30:47
Well, everyone here in Holland who looked at the tables prior to the WC and saw the potential NED - BRA game in the quarterfinals said: ok, we won't be getting past the QF stage.

Fistandantilus
25-06-2010, 09:58:58
Update pls :cute:

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25-06-2010, 10:11:29
idiot interface double post

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25-06-2010, 10:15:09
yeah, work held me up

and ther'd had been so much to describe....

at one point for instance had CRM taken the lead and JPN scored one more, they'd have won the group

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25-06-2010, 10:19:14
ITA v SVK 2-3 !!! : seppuku :
PAR v NZL 0-0 : zzz : : vom :

NED v CRM 2-1
JPN v DEN 3-1


26 1A-2B: URU vs KOR
26 1C-2D: USA vs GHA

28 1E-2F: NED vs SVK
28 1G-2H: BRA(POR) vs ESP(SUI,CHI, Hon)
_________

27 1B-2A: ARG vs MEX
27 1D-2C: GER vs ENG

29 1F-2E: PAR vs JPN
29 1H-2G: CHI(ESP,SUI) vs POR(BRA, Civ)


like I said to Fist, "drama" review eventually later

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25-06-2010, 16:49:43
BRA v POR 0-0 :sleep:

CIV v PRK 3-0


26 1A-2B: URU vs KOR
26 1C-2D: USA vs GHA

28 1E-2F: NED vs SVK
28 1G-2H: BRA vs ESP(SUI,CHI, Hon)
_________

27 1B-2A: ARG vs MEX
27 1D-2C: GER vs ENG

29 1F-2E: PAR vs JPN
29 1H-2G: CHI(ESP,SUI) vs POR


I won't be online till monday, so feel free to update this whit Spain results and with the 4 exciting weekend matches

Let's see whether Suisse will score a lot vs Honduras, and Spain will beat Chile, with enough goals too

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GO ENGLAND!
:beer:

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25-06-2010, 16:56:33
Suppose both Spain and Switzerland win

Spain is qualified
Swiss is tho 1st if they win with 1 gd more AND 1 goal more
failing that, Chile can qualify as 2nd behind Spain ONLY if both wins are by 1 and not with more goals in the swiss one

Mr. Bas
25-06-2010, 17:49:58
The first bracket looks pretty weak, either of those four teams getting to the semis would have been a big surprise beforehand.

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28-06-2010, 07:24:57
Look at "A/C quarter"


1A-2B: URU vs KOR
1C-2D: USA vs GHA


One of the 4 above will be semifinalist!

FIFA rankings: 14, 16, 32, 47!

in the odds I reported from the Eurobet site, non of them was even predicted to even get to QF!
And barely USA to get to R of 16, the other 3 had likeliest odds to get eliminated in the groups

URU should be favorite vs KOR
USA v GHAN could go either way, despite the big difference in Fifa ranking
Personally, I'd say 55% Ghana technically, albeit USA can overturn it with team cohesion and spirit. And nationalist pride.
:D

Indeed Bas, I understand you could not read all such a long and articulated thread

we agree then

:beer:

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28-06-2010, 07:35:00
ESP v CHI 2-1 (*)
SUI v HON 0-0 :eek:


26 1A-2B: URU vs KOR 2-1 : URU
26 1C-2D: USA vs GHA 1-2 : GHA

28 1E-2F: NED vs SVK
28 1G-2H: BRA vs CHI
_________

27 1B-2A: ARG vs MEX 3-1 : ARG
27 1D-2C: GER vs ENG 4-1 : GER

29 1F-2E: PAR vs JPN
29 1H-2G: ESP vs POR


(*) I've been amazed by a team speed and vision of play!
They dominated the first 30 minutes of their game.
Too bad they're all midgets, and way too much aggressive to escape impairing bookings and sacntions:
Chile!
A swarm of bees vs plodding camels.

I'm glad Switzerland respected their goal-aversion traditions and failed to beat Honduras, so I get one more chance to watch Chile


_________________


So, both qualifiers from group D eliminated both those from group C, and with margin (albeit helped by invalid goals thanks to genius Blatter's courtesy)

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28-06-2010, 08:35:45
Qualification to Round of 16 by confederation

(1986, '90, '94 had only 24 teams in final tournament)

contin. Euro S.Am N.Am Afr Asia Ocn

N.Am. 1986 10/14 4/4 1/2 1/2 -/2
Eur 1990 10/14 4/4 1/2 1/2 -/2
N.Am. 1994 10/13 2/4 2/2 1/3 1/2

Eur 1998 10/15 4/5 1/3 1/5 -/4
Asia 2002 8/15 2/5 2/3 1/5 2/4
Eur 2006 10/14 3/4 1/4 1/5 -/4 1/1*
Afr 2010 6/13 5/5 2/3 1/6 2/4 -/1

(* Australia still in OCN)

for the first time since they added Round of 16, less than 50% Uefa teams progress past group phase

Uefa had 13 teams,
4 of the 5 seeded teams qualified, one as 2nd
2 of the 8 unseeded teams qualifies (one in place of the seeded one who failed)

oddly enough, the 6 qualified teams all clash in 3 "euro-derbies"
Thus 3 and exactly 3 uefa teams in QF are at least guaranteed
Which is nevertheless an all-time low:

in '30 & '50 there were no QF
'34: 8, '38: 6
'54: 5, '58: 7, '62: 6, '66: 5, '70: 4
'74: 6, '78: 5 (2 Gr.of 4 instead of QF in these 2 editions)
'82: 7***
'86: 5, '90: 6, '94: 7
'98: 6, '02: 5, '06: 6

*** in '82 there was a 2nd round made of 4 groups of 3 teams
so 12 teams "took part in QF", 10 European, plus Brazil and Argentina both in the same group and eliminated by Italy
If we consider QF as "last 8", then the top 2 in the 4 groups were all Uefa teams, except Brazil as 2nd to Italy

except thus '82 peculiarity, and '34 where the 4 non-euro teams (out of 16) were all eliminated in 1st ko round,
there have been 2 cases ('58 and '94) when there were 7 uefa teams plus Brazil in QF
and Brazil won

Mr. Bas
28-06-2010, 16:57:17
Indeed, there was a bit of an information overload. :beer:

Another unconvincing but solid win. I really hope we can up our game against good opposition, none of the games so far required any more than we've shown so far. It's all been rather Italian. Bring on Brazil, Uruguay and Germany!

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28-06-2010, 17:11:45
I really long for watching NED-BRA (provided they beat Chile...)

I hope it won't turn out a mean riot like vs Portugal 4 years ago

Drekkus
28-06-2010, 23:40:47
I'm afraid that Holland will go out against Brazil after 4 solid but rather boring wins.

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29-06-2010, 07:25:02
NED v SVK 2-1
BRA v CHI 3-0


26 1A-2B: URU vs KOR 2-1 : URU
26 1C-2D: USA vs GHA 1-2 : GHA

28 1E-2F: NED vs SVK 2-1 : NED
28 1G-2H: BRA vs CHI 3-0 : BRA
_________

27 1B-2A: ARG vs MEX 3-1 : ARG
27 1D-2C: GER vs ENG 4-1 : GER

29 1F-2E: PAR vs JPN
29 1H-2G: ESP vs POR


More or less as expected.
Thanks to Chile for entertaining play, goodbye.


_____


Now, what can we expect?

say (with all sympathy for NED and GER)
- BRA v URU
- ARG v POR
semifinals?
(i won't dare to propose an all-Southamerican final four, as they were all-european 4 yrs ago. PAR will have their problems this afternoon already to get past JPN)

BRA v ARG final?

any attacking palyer on either side could decide that match either way

Once and for a long time it was said the Italy got the best defense in the world. Heck, even 4 yrs ago, not being rated too much at their start, they had the luck to find a couple palyers at their career high, and only conceded 2 goals in 7 games, one being an own goal and the other a penalty.

Now that Italy has been undone primarily because of their poor defense, who can claim that honor?

I say Brazil
(for how incredible that might have sounded in the past)

an eventual BRA-ARG final will probably be decided by the quality of the best players in the world in their attacks, making defenses secondary.

Anyway, with the exception of Juan and Samuel wihich are more or less comparable, with maybe a slight preference for the argie, the rest of Brazil defence including the keeper ranges from superior to way superior to their continental counterpart.

But let this discussion for later, anything can happen in football and that final is far from granted, albeit the most likely from what we've seen so far

Fistandantilus
29-06-2010, 07:27:37
You expect Portugal to beat Spain it seems..

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29-06-2010, 07:36:30
well, I had to pick one, but should I put my money yes

in my purpose, I wanted to say that I expect neither to beat Argentina

Drekkus
29-06-2010, 07:45:41
I rate Spain higher then Portugal. Then it will be a close call between ESP - ARG to play BRA in the final

Mightytree
29-06-2010, 10:30:08
Prior to the WC I bet on Germany coming as far as the QF and then losing to Argentina. I'll stick with that. I doubt we'll have much of a chance.

I also had Spain reaching the semis against Argentina and England reaching the other semis against Holland. The England bet was obviously crap, but I can definitely see Holland beating Brasil in their QF. The final would be Holland vs. Argentina with Argentina winning it all.

Drekkus
29-06-2010, 10:37:17
My god, not a 1978 repeat. I still have a trauma from that one.

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29-06-2010, 10:47:12
I rate Spain higher then Portugal. Then it will be a close call between ESP - ARG to play BRA in the final


...
I also had Spain reaching the semis against Argentina and England reaching the other semis against Holland.
... I can definitely see Holland beating Brasil in their QF. The final would be Holland vs. Argentina with Argentina winning it all.

My god, not a 1978 repeat. I still have a trauma from that one.

Netherlands, Hungary and Czechoslovakia all have played 2 finals winning none

It would be cruel for Netherlands to take the lead in that ranking
:D
they also lost one 3rd place Final in 1998

Currently, the record for lost finals is held by Germany with 4, but they also won 3
it can't be beaten this year, as no country has lost 3 (Brazil, Italy and Argentina are at 2 too)

In the still running teams, Portugal have played 2 semifinals, losing both.
Spain never reached actual semifinals, although they played in the final 4-teams group for the title in 1950 (getting 4th)

I think 2006 Portugal was maybe stronger, but Ronaldo wasn't mature and affirmed as he's now.
I also think Spain is not strong as in Euro 2008, and so far they've been rather ordinary. They'll need to definitely step up to beat Portugal.
Or they'll revert to the usual overrated and underachieving team as they've always been, only capable of winning euro championships

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29-06-2010, 10:52:58
Copy because of page break


1A-2B: URU vs KOR 2-1 : URU Fri 02
1C-2D: USA vs GHA 1-2*: GHA 20:30

1E-2F: NED vs SVK 2-1 : NED Fri 02
1G-2H: BRA vs CHI 3-0 : BRA 16:00
_________

1B-2A: ARG vs MEX 3-1 : ARG Sat 03
1D-2C: GER vs ENG 4-1 : GER 16:00

1F-2E: PAR vs JPN _-_ : ___ Sat 03
1H-2G: ESP vs POR _-_ : ___ 20:30


* aet (after extra time)
° pso (penatly shoot-out)

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29-06-2010, 15:35:55
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/matches/match_55/default.stm
74 mins Commentary
From 1990 onwards, exactly one match in the second round has gone to a penalty shootout;
IRE-ROU (1990), BUL-MEX (1994), ARG-ENG (1998), ESP-IRE (2002) and SUI-UKR (2006).
Only one involved a South American team and they won.


Either this one, or Spain - Portugal

:D

Greg W
29-06-2010, 16:31:06
Bingo! Japan v Paraguay it is!

Greg W
29-06-2010, 16:36:09
1-0 1st scored by Paraguay!
1-1 1st scored by Japan!
2-1 2nd scored by Paraguay!
2-2 2nd scored by Japan!
3-2 3rd scored by Paraguay!
3-2 3rd missed by Japan! Hit the crossbar and over!
4-2 4th scored by Paraguay!
4-3 4th scored by Japan!
5-3 5th scored by Paraguay! Paraguay go through!

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29-06-2010, 16:49:47
1A-2B: URU vs KOR 2-1 : URU Fri 02
1C-2D: USA vs GHA 1-2*: GHA 20:30

1E-2F: NED vs SVK 2-1 : NED Fri 02
1G-2H: BRA vs CHI 3-0 : BRA 16:00
_________

1B-2A: ARG vs MEX 3-1 : ARG Sat 03
1D-2C: GER vs ENG 4-1 : GER 16:00

1F-2E: PAR vs JPN 0-0°: PAR Sat 03
1H-2G: ESP vs POR _-_ : ___ 20:30


* aet (after extra time)
° pso (penatly shoot-out)

Mr. Bas
29-06-2010, 20:24:17
And another red card for the Portuguese scum! And they're out! Hurrah! :beer:

Fistandantilus
29-06-2010, 20:26:20
:lol:

And I was hoping for a Netherlands - Portugal final :(

Drekkus
29-06-2010, 20:58:02
Spain was very impressive. They outclassed POR in a way BRA couldn't.

Scabrous Birdseed
29-06-2010, 21:07:15
Portugal is (was!) the new Italy

Scabrous Birdseed
29-06-2010, 21:07:47
I mean the new old italy, obviously not the new new italy

Greg W
30-06-2010, 02:40:48
Spain was very impressive. They outclassed POR in a way BRA couldn't.To be fair I think that Brazil v portugal result may have been pre-arranged. If you know what I mean! ;)

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30-06-2010, 10:29:50
Of course someone here couldn't get over the well-deserved elimination by Portugal 4 years ago

:p

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30-06-2010, 10:39:14
You expect Portugal to beat Spain it seems..

well, I had to pick one, but should I put my money yes

I rate Spain higher then Portugal.

BAH.

OK, another bet I'd have lost
Spain was stronger than Portugal, but I expected an upset was quite in the realm of possibilities.

POR was the only other team with 3 clean sheets (along with URU)
Spain conceded one to Swiss and one to Chile.
Only scored two vs Chile and vs Honduras (!), and none vs a well defending team like SUI

It could have been quite possible that POR defense stopped ESP horizontal attacks, and that Ronaldo pulled out one of his missiles from 30m...

and indeed Spain started the match in 10 men, and didn't score till they put in the 11th

Spain palyed 5 minutes at the start, producing 3 shots
then 50 minutes of HORIZONTAL NOTHING, where they only care to fend a few dull and fortuitous Portuguese "attacks"
Then entered Llorente, played other 5 minutes, 3 shots, 1 goal, everyone to bed sleeping.

ANYWAY.

SPAIN GOAL WAS IN OFFSIDE. By half a meter.
- FACT !

And Villa was lucky too that Eduardo parried 1st shot in his feet again for a 2nd chance...

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30-06-2010, 10:44:21
And another red card for the Portuguese scum! And they're out! Hurrah! :beer:

I saw footage from 4 different angles

R.Costa elbow doesn't seem to get closer than 2 feet to Capdevila head, one at best.

Unless new evidence of an actual elbow-face contact can be found, the SCUM there is Capdevila.

His application pending final verification to join the club of Bastard Feigning Scum who caused sending off of an innocent opponent.

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30-06-2010, 10:46:48
back to thread original purpose


1A-2B: URU vs KOR 2-1 : URU Fri 02
1C-2D: USA vs GHA 1-2*: GHA 20:30

1E-2F: NED vs SVK 2-1 : NED Fri 02
1G-2H: BRA vs CHI 3-0 : BRA 16:00
_________

1B-2A: ARG vs MEX 3-1 : ARG Sat 03
1D-2C: GER vs ENG 4-1 : GER 16:00

1F-2E: PAR vs JPN 0-0°: PAR Sat 03
1H-2G: ESP vs POR 0-0 : ESP 20:30


* aet (after extra time)
° pso (penatly shoot-out)[/QUOTE]

the only group winner to fall was USA
a further demerit to England

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30-06-2010, 10:54:38
GF GA

URU 6 1
GHA 4 3

NED 7 2
BRA 8 2

ARG 10 2
GER 9 2

PAR 3 1
ESP 5 2

Spain is BORING. HORIZONTALLY BORING.
Paraguay scored 0-0 vs NZL and JPN

PAR v ESP promises to be one of the most boringest matches in WC history

If someone paid me to watch it, I'd refuse
:vom:

maroule
30-06-2010, 11:56:47
you're a spanish fan, I take it

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30-06-2010, 12:04:10
Catalan Mayor of Barçelona is refusing to install maxi-screens in public places to show matches of a team representing Castillan enemies (despite 8 players play or will play in Barça)

maroule
30-06-2010, 12:28:29
hurrah for tribalism

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30-06-2010, 12:36:48
tri-ballism

that's an idea to improve football

Drekkus
30-06-2010, 13:43:46
GF GA

URU 6 1
GHA 4 3

NED 7 2
BRA 8 2

ARG 10 2
GER 9 2

PAR 3 1
ESP 5 2

Spain is BORING. HORIZONTALLY BORING.
Paraguay scored 0-0 vs NZL and JPN

PAR v ESP promises to be one of the most boringest matches in WC history

If someone paid me to watch it, I'd refuse
:vom:

Spain is playing the best football on the WC. Ball circulation, recapturing the ball, defending forward, all very well done. It's the last pass around the box that goes wrong too often. But I like their play better than even brasil's.

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30-06-2010, 13:49:07
Chile just dominated them in the first 30min

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30-06-2010, 13:56:42
Spain is playing the best boring football on the WC.

fixed
:p

Drekkus
30-06-2010, 14:04:29
You're hatred of spain is clouding your vision. I support holland, but their football is just not as good, and more boring then Spain.

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30-06-2010, 14:21:54
I'm not hating Spain actually

I begun hating they way they play at this WC indeed
I liked it in Euro 2008

Now
90' game
70' Spain possession
= 10' great football
+ 60' utterly boring nothingness

tiki-taka myass

I preferred watching USA, a honest team of construction workers led by a couple decent architets
Chile, a swarm of busy bees never giving up, always trying to get first on the ball and playing it immediately never contenting of ther banal option when they do
Ghana, when they decide to wake up, 2 or 3 touches of beauty in simplicity and they're in front of the goal, pure poetry. Sleeping beauties, alas.

Xavi is the most clever and my favorite midfielder.
Vs Honduras, exit Xavi, enter Fabregas, END of entertainment, switch channel.
I love Iniesta.
Despite their poor form here, Rooney and Torres would always be in my team, should I own one.

but Spain playing attitude at this WC made me hate them, the more they got praised

Oh, well, now they'll get their best result ever at a WC: 3rd

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30-06-2010, 14:33:31
Spain was very impressive. They outclassed POR in a way BRA couldn't.

outclassed POR in 10 minutes in a way BRA couldn't, and very finely minced spectator's balls for the rest of the game

and they needed an offside goal to win

Fistandantilus
30-06-2010, 15:11:31
Didn't they play this way at the euros too?

maroule
30-06-2010, 15:16:53
I didn't see the goal as being offside but I might be mistaken

a lot of great teams are fairly boring in the first stages, let them time to work up steam

Greg W
30-06-2010, 15:46:36
It was offside. I saw a replay slowed down and he was about a yard offside. SBS commentators even commented how it was the only close offside call that had not been displayed with the special offside tele view that has been used for most of the WC.

Mr. Bas
30-06-2010, 18:41:16
Oh, I don't deny that my dislike of Portugal partially stems from the WC 2006. Especially that twat Luis Figo. But I digress... To be honest, I don't really care if it was a deserved red card or not, but i think it was. The initial view only showed what happened after the elbow, but look at around 20 seconds here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsaPnvO1Yko . Looks like an elbow to me.

BTW, your dislike of Spain surprises me, and moreso, your praise of Ghana. They're pretty awful, and are lucky with a very kind draw. It's a good thing for them that they'll be going out against Uruguay with a relatively small loss, instead of being mauled by good opposition (any other team in the QF except Paraguay). Not that I've been particularly impressed by Spain, it's very dominant but rarely threatening. A bit like the Netherlands.

You want to know another overrated team? Argentina.

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01-07-2010, 08:56:10
The initial view only showed what happened after the elbow, but look at around 20 seconds here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsaPnvO1Yko . Looks like an elbow to me.

thank you for the vid

the image around 20 seconds is distant and lacks perspective depth
it heps only showing the moment Costa swings his elbow

the 2nd "angle" starting at 04 seconds shows Costa's elbow already down
it's true that Costa does an "elbow swing" but I saw on TV footage starting few seconds earlier on this 2nd angle of view,
and it showed there were 30-40cm of air between the elbow and the face even when the elbow was at its highest point

Now, you can say that an elbow swing deserves a red card anyway for the "violent intention", regardless you got 40cm short of your target.
OK.
But if that's the evidence, it also proves that Capdevila is the worst scum I ever saw in football.
Writhing on the ground for someone swinging his elbow one foot clear of your face...

Show me a frame from their side where the elbow makes physical contact, and I'll take the above back

______

BTW:

I AM NOT the author of this comment on that youtube page:

knowyourenemy89

Cheating bastards don't deserve to win. An offside goal and a red card against Portugal and they only won 1-0 wow.
Hopefully Spain gets put back in their place. Switzerland already proved that Spain is nothing but hype. If Spain was so great they would have slaughtered Honduras and Chile, but they didn't (lets face it Spain had an easy group).

this is the second time in 2 matches that a player got sent off for nothing coz of a diving spaniard ..... gosh hope anyone but these diving prima donnas wins it

I'm not that extreme
:D
I just say they're hyped much more than they actually showed us so far.
Which is far inferior to what they showed 2 years ago

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01-07-2010, 09:07:33
It was offside. I saw a replay slowed down and he was about a yard offside. SBS commentators even commented how it was the only close offside call that had not been displayed with the special offside tele view that has been used for most of the WC.

Thanks Greg
I saw a stop frame on the moment the ball leaves Xavi's foot after his deflection, and it looked more like half a yard (the line crossed Villa's body, who also had offside his whole leg running at full stride).

If you call that close... :)

It was definitely very difficult to call because:
- the ref celarly saw Xavi's touch, but could not judge Villa's depth and timing
- the assistant clearly saw Villa goind beyond the line, but 4 other players obstructed his view on Xavi so he's probably totally missed there had been a Spain touch

with a TMO (TV Match officer) like in Rugby, that could have been solved in 30 seconds, and Spain goal disallowed

Fistandantilus
01-07-2010, 09:26:34
There have been tons of wrong, match deciding calls that could have been solved in 30 seconds or less. It's really a shame we have Blatter running the show.

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01-07-2010, 09:27:21
BTW, [...] surprises me [...] your praise of Ghana.

They're pretty awful, and are lucky with a very kind draw. It's a good thing for them that they'll be going out against Uruguay with a relatively small loss, instead of being mauled by good opposition (any other team in the QF except Paraguay).



I didn't say they are a good team
But I'd much prefer watch one of their games than a "this WC Spain" one
Ghana were pretty decent 4 years ago
Now I concur their team play might be awful.

But they are able to pull 3-4 passes slithing opponent defense like butter, with superior ball handling (they deservedly get called Africa's brazilians) and a space and dynamic vision above the ordinary.

True, they mostly fail to convert those chances thereafter.
They lack concentration and determination. And "experience"...
But it wouldn't have been surprise nor scandal had they scored vs Germany and drawn that game.
In their last 2 game, they gave me 6-7 moments like pure gems of poetry, even if those were just strings of 2-3 passes not abutting half a chance.

Sleeping beauties.
Not sleeping audience like watching this WC Spain
:cute:

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01-07-2010, 09:46:28
There have been tons of wrong, match deciding calls that could have been solved in 30 seconds or less. It's really a shame we have Blatter running the show.

I'm non-violent and never touched a weapon in my life, so it won't be me calling a football-fatwa on him...

Think of what happened with Tevez goal vs Mexico

The ball got cleared back then passed forward again very fast and quick.
It was the assistant mistake, but it's understandable he could miss in the dynamic of the action that Tevez suddenly found himself offside at a given moment.

The offside got shown for everybody on the stadium megascreen.

Prompted by mexicans, the ref went consulting his assistant, and they were clearly watching the stadium screen

At that point Argies swarmed in too.
We can easily imagine waht they said:
"Hey, ref, you see now it's offside, WE ALL KNOW it's offside.
BUT after WC06 final Zidane accident, you know you can't base you decision on the stadium screen nor on the 4th ref tv set."
Ref to Ass.nt. "did you see it live with your eyes?"
Assistant: "No, honestly, I only realsied it later on the screen. Even reviewing the images in my memory, I falied to spot it"
Ref: "OK then, the whole world know it's offside, we too NOW know it was.
BUT FIFA guidelines impose use to ignore 'invalid screen evidence'.
Thus FIFA imposes us to confirm the goal is valid."


FIFA spokeperson:
"We deny the game needs further technology ref aids additions.
WE BLAME the organisation for showing action replays on the stasium screen.
Without the replay on the screen, there would have been no problem."

Later:
"ok, we might consider something about 'ghost goals' like England one.
But never anything helping referees with offsideds.
Tevez goal was totally the referee mistake. And the organization mistake to show the stadium there ahd been a referee mistake."

:vom:

Greg W
01-07-2010, 11:39:12
I like what Aussie Guus said. That Blatter should introduce video refs or step down immediately.

What really gets me though is that I read that they (very) successfully trialled both a computer chip in the ball and also Hawkeye (something us Cricket fans will be aware of. In both cases the ref would have a notification that the ball had crossed the line within half a second of it happening.

Why have they not introduced this? Because of some piss-poor excuse that if they can't do it at all levels, they won't do it at all? That's in the running for the biggest cop out I have heard. :bash:

Mr. Bas
01-07-2010, 18:08:21
Okay, then we pretty much agree on Ghana and Spain it seems. Although I still think you overrate Ghana, I haven't seen more than a few good passes ending up nowhere, which pretty much every team I've seen has done so far every now and then.

I'm still undecided on Costa vs. Capdevila. From what I've seen, it still looks like an elbow, but you're right that the perspective makes it hard to see if he really hit him or not. If you have any footage showing that he didn't hit him, I'd like to see it, but so far, it's impossible to tell. Capdevila might be up there with Rivaldo and Luis Figo, but I'm not sure yet.

Fistandantilus
01-07-2010, 18:40:49
What did Figo do besides being awesome at football? :D

Mr. Bas
01-07-2010, 19:10:51
Faking being elbowed. Headbutting Van Bommel. Yes, I'm still bitter about Nurnberg 2006.

Fistandantilus
01-07-2010, 19:22:41
Ahhhh, ok, forgot about that.

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02-07-2010, 08:48:11
your memory had been painted over in black and blue

:D

Mr. Bas
04-07-2010, 01:44:50
You want to know another overrated team? Argentina.

Sometimes, my football insight scares even myself. ;)

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05-07-2010, 07:48:54
1A-2B: URU vs KOR 2-1 : URU 1°
1C-2D: USA vs GHA 1-2*: GHA 1 URU

1E-2F: NED vs SVK 2-1 : NED 2 NED
1G-2H: BRA vs CHI 3-0 : BRA 1
__________________________________________________

1B-2A: ARG vs MEX 3-1 : ARG 0
1D-2C: GER vs ENG 4-1 : GER 4 GER

1F-2E: PAR vs JPN 0-0°: PAR 0 ESP
1H-2G: ESP vs POR 1-0 : ESP 1


* aet (after extra time)
° pso (penatly shoot-out)[/QUOTE]

goals scored per "bracket quarter" in the 3 matchs so far (2 Rof16 and the QF)

AC 8
EG 9

BD 13
FH 2 :vom:


____


forgot to add:

South America established a record with 4 teams in QF
They risked to loose them all, had Gyan not shot the 120' penalty on the bar

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05-07-2010, 08:08:47
WC Appearances (including current one), Semis, Finals, Victories
(Semis include Finals, Finals include Wins)
(allcaps played this one, in bold still running)



Team App Sem Fin WIN

BRA 19 10 7 5
ITA 17 8 6 4
GER 17 12 *7 3
ARG 15 4 4 2
URU 11 5 *2 2
FRA 13 5 2 1
ENG 13 2 1 1

NED 9 4 *2 -
Hun 9 2 2 -
Cze 9 2 2 -
Swe 11 4 1 -

(these no final but got 3rd)
Pol 7 2 -
Aut 7 2 -
POR 5 2 -
YUG 11 2 - (semis as Yugoslavia, now SRB)
USA 9 1 -
CHI 8 1 -
Cro 3 1 -
Tur 2 1 -
(these only ever got 4th once)
ESP 13 2 *
Bel 11 1 -
Rus 9 1 -
KOR 8 1 -
Bul 7 1 -


Either Spain get their 1st final ever, or Germany get the record alone with 8 finals
Both fot Uruguay or Holland it would be their 3rd Final
Of their previous two, URU won both, NED lost both

In case Germany win the Cup, they'd equalise Italy at 4
Uruguay would instead reach Germany in 3rd place with 3
For Netherlands or Spain it would be a first.

Whichever team wins it except Uruguay, it would be the first European team to win one outside Europe.

Brazil & Argentina already won both in South America and outside it (ARG in Mexico '86).
Uruguay instead won both in South America (at home in '30 and in Brazil '50). thy'd be the 3rd South American to win one outside their continent.

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06-07-2010, 15:43:34
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_FIFA_World_Cup

The Brazilian team, featuring Pelé (who was in his fourth and final World Cup), Carlos Alberto, Clodoaldo, Gérson, Jairzinho, Rivelino, and Tostão, is usually regarded as the greatest attacking World Cup team ever.
They won all of their 6 games on the way to the title, and had also won all of their 6 qualifying games on their way to Mexico.

Holland are poised to equal that record.
Actually, they're poised to beat it, as they won 8 games in the qualification, and would be winning 7 in the final tournament

Uruguay and Germany were in opposing semifinals in 1970 too.
They both lost.
The team beating Uruguay went on to win the World Cup

BTW:
- had Brazil won the QF vs Holland, and
- had Italy won their group (incredible how they could fail) and then the QF vs Spain (much longer shot)
then we'd have seen repeated here the SAME 1970 Semifinals !
wow

from the table above, you can count 8 teams appearing in semifinals only once
Another 8 teams only twice. Again 8 teams appeared in 4 or more semifinals.
So far, the Final Four teams have never been the same in 2 different World Cups.
Leave alone being paired in the same semifinals.
wowwow

mr_B
06-07-2010, 16:54:54
HOLLAND!!!!

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07-07-2010, 07:45:22
1A-2B: URU vs KOR 2-1 : URU 1°
1C-2D: USA vs GHA 1-2*: GHA 1 URU 2

1E-2F: NED vs SVK 2-1 : NED 2 NED 3
1G-2H: BRA vs CHI 3-0 : BRA 1 NED
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1B-2A: ARG vs MEX 3-1 : ARG 0 ESP
1D-2C: GER vs ENG 4-1 : GER 4 GER 0

1F-2E: PAR vs JPN 0-0°: PAR 0 ESP 1
1H-2G: ESP vs POR 1-0 : ESP 1


* aet (after extra time)
° pso (penatly shoot-out)[/QUOTE]

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08-07-2010, 12:59:26
then we'd have seen repeated here the SAME 1970 Semifinals !
wow


I forgot to add:

they'd have been SAMEY-finals!

:cute:




:nervous:

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08-07-2010, 13:12:51
WC Appearances (including current one), Semis, Finals, Victories
(Semis include Finals, Finals include Wins)
(allcaps played this one, in bold still running)

see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup#Teams_reaching_the_top_four



Team App Sem Fin WIN

BRA 19 10 7 5
ITA 17 8 6 4
GER 17 12 7 3
ARG 15 4 4 2
URU 11 5 2 2
FRA 13 5 2 1
ENG 13 2 1 1

NED 9 4 3 *
Hun 9 2 2 -
Cze 9 2 2 -
Swe 11 4 1 -
ESP 13 2 1 *

(these no final but got 3rd)
Pol 7 2 -
Aut 7 2 -
POR 5 2 -
YUG 11 2 - (semis as Yugoslavia, now SRB)
USA 9 1 -
CHI 8 1 -
Cro 3 1 -
Tur 2 1 -
(these only ever got 4th once)
Bel 11 1 -
Rus 9 1 -
KOR 8 1 -
Bul 7 1 -


should NED win they'd jump ahead FRA, with 1 Win but 3 Finals
should ESP win they'd equal ENG in all (*wrt the data in this table)

(*) Eng wouls still be better overall:
they got 7 times out in QF and only 2 in the Group,
while Esp got out in QF 5 times and 4 in the Group

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08-07-2010, 13:59:28
Goals For and Against for the two finalist in the 3 previous KO rounds
since the introduction of Round of 16 (I also count '82 as they played 3 matches before the final as well)

in the first column the result of the final


GF GA GD
3 ITA 7 3 +4
1 GER 5 4 +1

3 ARG 5 1 +4
2 GER 3 0 +3

1 GER 4 2 +2
0 ARG 2 1 +1

0 BRA 5 2 +3
0 ITA 6 3 +3

3 FRA 3 1 +2
0 BRA 8 4 +4

2 BRA 5 1 +4
0 GER 3 0 +3

1 ITA 6 0 +6
1 FRA 5 1 +4

? NED 7 4 +3
? ESP 3 0 +3



IN GENERAL, the team getting in the final with the better Goal Difference in the 3 previous KO matches, wins the final too
ONLY exception: France beating Brazil in '98
in '94 BRA & ITA had the same KO GD and the final ended in a goalless draw (Ita had scored more goals but they lost the shootout)
in '06 the final ended in a draw, with goals, despite ITA had the better KO GD. They won the shootout anyway

NED & SPA have the same KO GD, as happened in '94....

progressing with three 1-0 gives a 3-0 GF/GA
if you get to the final with less than a +3 GD in 3 ko matches, this entails you got thru 1 or more Penalties shootouts

a +3 ko GD might seem a meager result, but in previous 7 WCs (14 finalist teams) a finalist did enven worse in 4 cases
in 4 other cases a finalist got there with a +3 GD:
- twice 3-0 for GER ('86 & '02, and they lost both) as did ESP now
- twice scoring (and conceding) more goals, like the two '94 finalists, and NED now
in 5 cases the ko GD was a bit better, +4.
Only once a team got to the final with a +6, indeed an overwhelming 6-0 in 3 matches: it was ITA four years ago

6 is not the record for goals scored:
BRA scored 8 in '98 (and they lost)
ITA again scored 7 in '82, just like NED now
ITA twice more follows with 6, in '94 and in already mentioned '06

it looks indeed like in the last 30 years ITALY have been the best performing finalist team in the KO phase, in terms of goals scored and goal difference!
i.e., when they get to the final, they do it with the most flair. Hard figures say that.
It must be because they've been very lucky with their brackets and opponents, that can't possibly be true for the most defensive and "destructively" playing team in the world

:hmm:

to complet the analysis, the most conceded goals in the 3 ko matches is 4
it happened 3 times
GER '82, BRA '98 and... NED now
conceding none didn't work better as we saw with GER above
so that's is a less influential parameter

the worst performance in the KO phase was by ARG in '90
1-0, 0-0, 1-1

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so....
almost all indicators would point in favor of a Netherlands victory

but if the Spanish team playing in the final will be the one who beat Germany, and not the SHIT team edging past Potugal and Paraguay, that could get easily reversed

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08-07-2010, 14:43:24
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see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup#Teams_reaching_the_top_four



Team App Sem Fin WIN

BRA 19 10 7 5
ITA 17 8 6 4
GER 17 12 7 3
ARG 15 4 4 2
URU 11 5 2 2
FRA 13 5 2 1
ENG 13 2 1 1

NED 9 4 3 *
Hun 9 2 2 -
Cze 9 2 2 -
Swe 11 4 1 -
ESP 13 2 1 *

(these no final but got 3rd)
Pol 7 2 -
Aut 7 2 -
POR 5 2 -
YUG 11 2 - (semis as Yugoslavia, now SRB)
USA 9 1 -
CHI 8 1 -
Cro 3 1 -
Tur 2 1 -
(these only ever got 4th once)
Bel 11 1 -
Rus 9 1 -
KOR 8 1 -
Bul 7 1 -


should NED win they'd jump ahead FRA, with 1 Win but 3 Finals
should ESP win they'd equal ENG in all (*wrt the data in this table)

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08-07-2010, 14:44:52
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1A-2B: URU vs KOR 2-1 : URU 1°
1C-2D: USA vs GHA 1-2*: GHA 1 URU 2

1E-2F: NED vs SVK 2-1 : NED 2 NED 3
1G-2H: BRA vs CHI 3-0 : BRA 1 NED
____________________________________________

1B-2A: ARG vs MEX 3-1 : ARG 0 ESP
1D-2C: GER vs ENG 4-1 : GER 4 GER 0

1F-2E: PAR vs JPN 0-0°: PAR 0 ESP 1
1H-2G: ESP vs POR 1-0 : ESP 1


* aet (after extra time)
° pso (penatly shoot-out)

Funko
08-07-2010, 14:49:15
1-0 to Spain then in the final.

Mr. Bas
08-07-2010, 19:54:27
Extrapolating the trend, I expect a 4-3 win for the Netherlands. Now, that'd be awesome.

Debaser
09-07-2010, 09:18:06
Great goal, great commentary:

exlBHTyB1R0

Funko
09-07-2010, 09:21:31
That was such a great team too.

Drekkus
09-07-2010, 09:37:50
That was a great game, QF in 1998. The commentator is famous for his enthousiasm.

Nills Lagerbaak
11-07-2010, 18:01:35
Great goal, great commentary:

exlBHTyB1R0

Actual hyperventillation!

Back!
03-08-2010, 09:00:44
1-0 to Spain then in the final.

wow
:beer:
did you place a bet?

Back!
03-08-2010, 09:48:58
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup#Teams_reaching_the_top_four

I'll add the QF to these stats, although there have been only 17 QF rounds in 19 WCs
(in 30 & 50 there were no QF;
in 74 & 78 ther were groups instead of actual QF, I count those two as an appearance in the last 8;
in 82 there were 4 goups of 3 teams as QF, I do NOT count the 4 bottom teams as quarterfinalist or "last 8")


Team Apps QF Semi Fin WIN

BRA 19 15 10 7 5
ITA 17 9 8 6 4
GER 17 16 12 7 3
ARG 15 9 4 4 2
URU 11 6 5 2 2
FRA 13 6 5 2 1
ENG 13 9 2 1 1
ESP 13 6 2 1 1

NED 9 5 4 3 -
Hun 9 5 2 2 -
Cze 9 4 2 2 -
Swe 11 6 4 1 -

(these no final but got 3rd)
YUG 11 6 2 - (semis as Yugoslavia, now SRB)
Aut 7 4 2 -
Pol 7 3 2 -
POR 5 2 2 -
USA 9 2 1 -
CHI 8 1 1 -
Cro 3 1 1 -
Tur 2 1 1 -
(these only ever got 4th once)
Rus 9 5 1 -
Bel 11 1 1 -
KOR 8 1 1 -
Bul 7 1 1 -


Note how Germany only failed QF once (in '38)
Brazil 4 times, the last two in '66 & '90

behind them, England got as many QF as Italy and Argentina, but reached Semifinals only twice (Ita 8 and Arg 4)

There are 16 other teams who reached QF at least once, but never got to semifinals
Switzerland 3 times, the last one tho in 1954 in their home WC
Mexico 2 times, but only in the two home WC ('70 & '86)
Peru twice too in '70 & '78
13 teams just once (Paraguay and Ghana for the first time this WC)
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Germany have played the most finals, as much as Brazil with 7
behind them Ita 6, then Arg 4 and now Ned alone with 3, ahead 4 teams with 2 and 3 with 1

Germany tho lost 4 finals, and now Holland with 3 lost moved to 2nd alone in this unwelcome stat

Funko
03-08-2010, 10:45:14
wow
:beer:
did you place a bet?

Sadly not.