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maroule
09-06-2010, 14:57:44
seen today on the Guardian, let's shoot

* the champions
* the top scorer
* the biggest flop
* the star player
* the surprise package

maroule
09-06-2010, 15:01:10
I go first then

* the champions; Brazil

* the top scorer; Torres (4 against Honduras, a few others here and there)

* the biggest flop; Argentina

* the star player; Gourcuyff

* the surprise package; France (not biased at all)

Fistandantilus
09-06-2010, 15:11:37
* the star player; Gourcuyff


This is not biased either uh.

Back!
09-06-2010, 15:21:06
* the champions Uruguay
* the top scorer Rooney
* the biggest flop Portugal
* the star player Drogba
* the surprise package Chile

Funko
09-06-2010, 15:23:35
* the champions England
* the top scorer Rooney
* the biggest flop Germany
* the star player Rooney
* the surprise package England

Debaser
09-06-2010, 15:39:11
* the champions Argentina
* the top scorer Messi
* the biggest flop France
* the star player Messi
* the surprise package Jamie Carragher

Greg W
09-06-2010, 15:47:11
Think you could maybe get a bit more biased there Funko? :lol:

* the champions - Spain
* the top scorer - Tevez
* the biggest flop - France
* the star player - Fabregas
* the surprise package - Mexico

Funko
09-06-2010, 15:49:20
I was seriously serious, o/c.

Greg W
09-06-2010, 15:54:36
Which is why you got :lol: instead of :rolleyes:

;)

King_Ghidra
09-06-2010, 15:56:06
* the champions - Spain
* the top scorer - Torres/Villa
* the biggest flop - Italy
* the star player - Torres/Villa
* the surprise package - Paraguay

Funko
09-06-2010, 16:03:59
* the champions - Spain
* the top scorer - Torres
* the biggest flop - France
* the star player - Torres
* the surprise package - Cameroon/Mexico

Funko
09-06-2010, 16:04:53
So out of 6 votes, France have 4 for biggest flop.

maroule
09-06-2010, 16:17:35
France can't be a flop, everybody (including in France) expects them to fail miserably
it would however be first in the category; predicted train wreck happening straight on time
Same to a lesser extend about Italy, starting with very low expectations (hard to remember they're still world champions).

to KG; Holland will be a surprise package if they go all the way, but right now they are toutted as a legitimate contender

Flop has to be about a team with decent to great expectations
Apart from Argentina, I'd actually bet on Ivory Coast, which is looking the strongest of african teams

maroule
09-06-2010, 16:17:59
This is not biased either uh.

oh my god you saw right through me

Funko
09-06-2010, 16:26:20
Ivory coast are in a very strong group, if they Brazil or Portugal home it won't really be a flop, one very good team has to leave from that group.

OK if Brazil go home it'd have to be considered a flop (purely from historical record/expectations). But I think it'll be Portugal going home.

Greg W
09-06-2010, 16:33:32
Anyone can be a flop, really. For instance even a poor team losing 0-5 every match is still a flop. France not getting a single point and barely scoring a goal would be a flop.

And nobody expecting France to do anything? :hmm:

On a betting site I just looked up, France are the 8th favourite side to win it outright (mind you, England were 4th). France may not expect them to do well, but apparently at least some of the rest of the world does.

Fistandantilus
09-06-2010, 19:35:26
* the champions; England

* the top scorer; Torres

* the biggest flop; Brazil

* the star player; Djorkaeff

* the surprise package; USA

The Shaker
09-06-2010, 20:23:45
* the champions; Spain
* the top scorer; Villa
* the biggest flop; Portugal
* the star player; Forlan
* the surprise package; Uruguay

Walrus Feeder
09-06-2010, 21:17:02
* the champions - Spain
* the top scorer - David Villa
* the biggest flop - Germany
* the star player - Xavi
* the surprise package - Serbia

novacane
09-06-2010, 23:07:13
* the champions - Holland
* the top scorer - Villa
* the biggest flop - Argentina
* the star player - Robinho
* the surprise package - Mexico

Back!
10-06-2010, 11:14:42
We have been asking pundits, players, managers, journalists and other experts to give us their one-two-three-four forecast at the tournament, which kicks off in South Africa on Friday.

Here are their selections in full:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8731641.stm

in summary

1st 2nd 3rd 4th tot
Spain 25 13 6 1 45
Brazil 20 24 8 3 55
Argent 7 8 17 7 39
England 4 6 9 20 39
Holland 1 2 3 4 10
Nigeria 1 - - - 1
Germany - 2 5 6 13
Italy - 2 2 5 9
Ivory C - 1 2 2 5
Ghana - - 2 - 2
Portugl - - 2 - 2
Chile - - 1 - 1
Serbia - - 1 - 1
Netherl - - - 3 3
Mexico - - - 2 2
Cameron - - - 1 1
USA - - - 1 1
Uruguay - - - 1 1
France - - - 1 1
NewZlnd - - - 1 1

King_Ghidra
10-06-2010, 11:44:18
to KG; Holland will be a surprise package if they go all the way, but right now they are toutted as a legitimate contender

indeed, i edited to paraguay. i think they could swing a surprise or two

Fistandantilus
10-06-2010, 12:04:03
Nigeria???

Fistandantilus
10-06-2010, 12:05:09
Ah I see who voted that now :D

Funko
10-06-2010, 12:30:55
Yeah, Daniel Amokachi Assistant manager Nigeria. :D

King_Ghidra
10-06-2010, 13:34:55
i think the idea of new zealand making 4th is even more ridiculous tbh

Funko
10-06-2010, 13:43:34
I missed that:

Xavier Rivoire France Football magazine
1 Spain 2 Netherlands 3 Ghana 4 New Zealand

Ah, French. ;)

Back!
10-06-2010, 13:44:11
Xavier Rivoire France Football magazine
1 Spain 2 Netherlands 3 Ghana 4 New Zealand

we'd better keep maroule, after all

____

damn, you waited 9 minutes to post, couldn't you wait 10
:bash:

maroule
10-06-2010, 15:07:49
to Greg;
yes, if France loses 5-0 all its matches, it will indeed be a flop
Ranked at 8th likeliest; not by BBC obviously...

Fist; Djorkaeff star player? not Platini?

do you guys know a site where I could project the results of the first round, then the rest until the final? I'm trying to find out what would be the likeliest final with my starting hypothesis of Brazil winning it

Fistandantilus
10-06-2010, 15:19:06
Platini is an arrogant ass.
The legend of Youri lives in our hearts as pure talent and class.

Back!
10-06-2010, 15:20:48
do you guys know a site where I could project the results of the first round, then the rest until the final? I'm trying to find out what would be the likeliest final with my starting hypothesis of Brazil winning it

Funko posted one

http://www.counterglow.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1012387&highlight=predict#post1012387


http://www.windrawwin.com/worldcupcalculator.asp

although IIRC it's messy when it comes to goaldiff & goalscored tiebreakers

Back!
10-06-2010, 15:24:43
The legend of Youri lives in our hearts as pure talent and class.

Doesn't he have some active role in some natinonal team staff?

maroule
10-06-2010, 15:26:35
Platini is an arrogant ass.
The legend of Youri lives in our hearts as pure talent and class.

that's about right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3GXGmKpB04

Greg W
10-06-2010, 15:29:37
to Greg;
yes, if France loses 5-0 all its matches, it will indeed be a flop
Ranked at 8th likeliest; not by BBC obviously...8th on the William Hill (http://www.williamhill.com/en/nui/free-bet/#http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/EN) betting site too.

King_Ghidra
10-06-2010, 16:54:00
the thing is a flop really for any of the big teams is either going out at the group stage - incredibly unlikely - or going out at second round - also unlikely but possible if a bad tie comes up

i don't think france will have a good WC either, but based on some off the cuff projections they're almost certain to get to the QF anyway

if you get to the QF and go out to a decent team...i don't see how anyone can really criticise

mr_B
10-06-2010, 21:30:52
* the champions; Holland

* the top scorer; van Persie

* the biggest flop; Italy

* the star player; van der Vaart

* the surprise package; Holland

Greg W
11-06-2010, 01:57:26
If they manage all that, it really will be a surprise! :eek:

Back!
11-06-2010, 06:16:32
* the biggest flop; Argentina
* the biggest flop Portugal
* the biggest flop Germany
* the biggest flop France
* the biggest flop - France
* the biggest flop - Italy
* the biggest flop - France
So out of 6 votes, France have 4 for biggest flop
France can't be a flop, everybody (including in France) expects them to fail miserably.
Flop has to be about a team with decent to great expectations
Anyone can be a flop, really
* the biggest flop; Brazil
* the biggest flop; Portugal
* the biggest flop - Germany
* the biggest flop - Argentina
* the biggest flop; Italy
the biggest flop is the one giving you nuts

Back!
11-06-2010, 06:24:43
any underachieving team will be a disappointment
to be a flop the underachievement should need to be significant
then the flops should be weighed and ranked to determine the biggest

from the summary above

3 France
2 Argentina
2 Portugal
2 Italy
1 Brazil
1 Germany (* Funko had casted another, but then switched it to France)

Back!
11-06-2010, 06:32:49
FIFA Ranking (fwiw)

1 Brazil
2 Spain
3 Portugal
4 Netherlands
5 Italy
6 Germany
7 Argentina
8 England
9 France
13 Greece
14 USA
15 Serbia
16 Uruguay
17 Mexico
18 Chile
19 Cameroon
20 Australia
21 Nigeria
24 Switzerland
25 Slovenia
27 Côte d'Ivoire
30 Algeria
31 Paraguay
32 Ghana
34 Slovakia
36 Denmark
38 Honduras
45 Japan
47 Korea Republic

Back!
11-06-2010, 06:40:14
UEFA teams qualifiers
(* as runner-up)

30 Spain
24 Netherlands (out of 24)
27 England
26 Germany
24 Italy
22 Slovakia
22 Serbia
21 Denmark
21 Switzerland
21 *France
20 *Greece
20 *Slovenia
19 *Portugal

CONMEBOL qualifier

34 Brazil
33 Chile
33 Paraguay
28 Argentina
24 Uruguay (to playoffs)

Back!
11-06-2010, 07:14:13
EUROBET site

qualification odds

to KO:
ESP qual 1.03 / 7.50
ENG qual 1.05 / 6.50
ITA qual 1.06 / 6.25
ARG qual 1.07 / 6.00
BRA qual 1.08 / 5.50
NED qual 1.11 / 5.00
GER qual 1.20 / 3.70
FRA qual 1.30 / 3.05
PAR qual 1.50 / 2.30
POR qual 1.55 / 2.20
CHI qual 1.60 / 2.10
USA qual 1.70 / 1.95
SRB qual 1.75 / 1.90
MEX qual 1.80 / 1.85
DEN *out 1.80 / 1.85
NGA *out 1.75 / 1.90

eliminated:
ALG out 1.11 / 5.00
JPN out 1.20 / 3.70
KOR out 1.22 / 3.50
AUS out 1.25 / 3.30
SVN out 1.35 / 2.80
RSA out 1.40 / 2.60
GRE out 1.42 / 2.50
SUI out 1.50 / 2.30
CIV out 1.65 / 2.05
GHA out 1.67 / 2.00
SVK out 1.70 / 1.95
CMR out 1.75 / 1.90
URU out 1.80 / 1.85

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KO phase odds:

ENG out R16 4.50, QF 4.00, SF 3.65
ESP out R16 4.00, QF 5.00, SF 4.50
BRA out R16 3.85, QF 5.25, SF 4.50
NED out R16 3.85, QF 3.20, SF 4.50
ARG out R16 3.50, QF 3.50, SF 5.00
GER out R16 3.25, QF 3.25, SF 6.50
FRA out R16 3.25, QF 3.75, SF 7.00
ITA out R16 3.00, QF 3.25, SF 4.50

POR out R16 3.00, QF 5.00, SF 10.00
MEX out R16 2.85, QF 5.75, SF 16.00
SRB out R16 2.70, QF 6.50, SF 13.00
NGA out R16 2.60, QF 6.50, SF 21.00
PAR out R16 2.40, QF 5.50, SF 14.00
DEN out R16 2.40, QF 7.00, SF 26.00
USA out R16 2.25, QF 5.85, SF 16.00
CHI out R16 2.20, QF 7.00, SF 15.00

Funko
11-06-2010, 07:46:20
1 Germany (* Funko had casted another, but then switched it to France)

My first one was a joke.

maroule
11-06-2010, 07:53:48
as of France, tonight will tell us everything
a loss to Uruguay would probably mean not making it out of the first stage (the group seems already about to implode, a loss and that's bye bye)
I'm actually putting a tenner on a 0-0 score

Back!
11-06-2010, 07:55:01
My first one was a joke.

HARR HARR HARR?

Funko
11-06-2010, 07:57:24
as of France, tonight will tell us everything
a loss to Uruguay would probably mean not making it out of the first stage (the group seems already about to implode, a loss and that's bye bye)
I'm actually putting a tenner on a 0-0 score

God, you're even more miserable than the average cynical England fan. :(

Uruguay are arguably the best team in the group, lose to them and you can still win twice and qualify.

Back!
11-06-2010, 08:04:56
EUROBET "podium" odds

ESP 2.20
BRA 2.50
ENG 2.75
ARG 3.00

NED 3.75
GER 5.00
ITA 5.20
FRA 5.20


Final WIN

ESP 5.00
BRA 5.75

ENG 6.00
ARG 7.50

NED 10.00
GER 14.00
ITA 15.00
FRA 15.00

POR 26.00
CIV 51.00
CHI 67.00
USA 67.00
SRB 67.00
PAR 81.00
GHA 81.00
MEX 91.00

DEN, URU, RSA, NGA, CMR 101.00

Funko
11-06-2010, 08:12:40
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/11/world-cup-2010-paper-view

Back!
11-06-2010, 08:21:11
So:

looking at odds (didn't check other sites, hope Eurobet is representative enough)

Spain, Brazil, England and Argies are favourites for the semis.
Same as in the BBC survey

Should they fail to win or get to the final, it could be a disappointment but hardly a flop anyway.
Should they fail to get to semis, that might get called a flop.

Germany and Holland also have hopes to get to semis, but should they fail it might not yet be considered a flop for them.

France and Italy definitley are not *expected* to get past QF.
They're last WC finalists, and of course "hope" they could repeat, but are not expected to do so.
Getting out in R of 16 is borderline between disappintement and flop. It depends the way it happens. For them a true flop would only be not getting past the group (way more so for Italy who have the easiest one).

Portugal got 4th last time, is 3rd in FIFA ranking, and has a star in C.Ronaldo.
Yet they have barely the odds to get to QF, and maybe not even that.
Getting out in a group vs Brazil and Ivorians could be excusable, so it's hard to say what would be a flop for them.
I'd be still disappointed if they don't make QF, and I predicted them as biggest flop because I'm indeed afraid they'll blow it all the worst way

Interesting that nobody predicted Spain or Netherlands as flops here

Funko
11-06-2010, 08:32:53
Never write off the Germans.

mr_B
11-06-2010, 09:12:20
and never byte off a head

maroule
11-06-2010, 09:30:37
Uruguay are arguably the best team in the group, lose to them and you can still win twice and qualify.


you are right, and a lot of the eventual winners started their group matches being crap

here however I was more thinking in terms of group dynamics, a defeat would pull everyone apart, rather than focus a good team spirit... apparently some old timers like Henri are plotting in the wings to get Gourcuyff out of the team, so it doesn't smack of the type of atmosphere conducive to success

maroule
11-06-2010, 09:36:49
So:

Interesting that nobody predicted Spain or Netherlands as flops here

I can't see an early flop (and don't wish for it either, both are playing a brand of footie easy on the eye)

Spain has a very manageable group, Holland a little less so, and both a riding a wave of success

they can lose, but later on, on lackluster teams hard to break down (Italy / France if they find their rythm, or even a darkhorse like australia or the US)

Funko
11-06-2010, 09:38:41
you are right, and a lot of the eventual winners started their group matches being crap

here however I was more thinking in terms of group dynamics, a defeat would pull everyone apart, rather than focus a good team spirit... apparently some old timers like Henri are plotting in the wings to get Gourcuyff out of the team, so it doesn't smack of the type of atmosphere conducive to success

Yeah, it does all sound like Holland '96

mr_B
11-06-2010, 11:07:44
:lol:

mr_B
11-06-2010, 11:14:13
so my prediction after the groupe fase are:

last 16 : holland Italy bye bye Italy
last 8 : holland Brasil bye bye brasil
last 4 : holland England bye bye cry cry England
last 2 also known as the final holland Spain, ole ole ole ole there goes spain down the drain

Funko
11-06-2010, 11:27:18
:beer:

Funko
11-06-2010, 11:27:31
:heineken: :amstel: :skol:

King_Ghidra
11-06-2010, 11:39:32
Uruguay are arguably the best team in the group

you mean after france, or including france?

'cos france might be bad by their own standards but i still expect them to walk over their group

Funko
11-06-2010, 12:10:53
I meant the best team they would face in the group, I think France are the best team in the group and should walk it, even with the infighting. If they don't I'd consider it a flop.

Greg W
12-06-2010, 16:02:15
Good on South Korea! :beer:

Interesting stats I heard:
60% of teams to progress through the group phase win their first match
30% draw it
10% lose it

That's a pretty damned important stat for first matches!

The Shaker
12-06-2010, 19:28:39
Yeah...it means that whatever happens in the first match, you can still progress to the knockout stages.

Greg W
13-06-2010, 06:21:26
Just watched the (recorded) England v USA match! Commentators were saying that was the end of Green as far as this world cup was concerned. Certainly was a calamity worthy of James.

In the end, England created a heap of opportunities to score (or at least put the ball into the right places to create a chance) and yet failed to force a save from the keeper too many times. And yet the USA had the best chance with the shot that Green parried onto the post.

Back!
14-06-2010, 06:59:23
(or at least put the ball into the right places to create a chance)

all wingers get always heavily criticized for sending their crosses in too early, i.e. before even getting at box level, because they're not used/able anymore to dribble past fullbacks 1-on-1 to get to the bottom line and fire a much more dangerous cross

Well, england wingers blazed into US flanks like butter, but ALL their crosses were then aimed too much backwards!!! They always passed behind rooney's back!
I couldn't see ONE decent ball playable by england strikers coming from a cross.

I bet poor Wayne regretted a huge lot not having his ManU teammates behind him feeding him the right balls.

maroule
14-06-2010, 07:04:05
I meant the best team they would face in the group, I think France are the best team in the group and should walk it, even with the infighting. If they don't I'd consider it a flop.


that's fair enough
but even in the rosy scenario, they won't walk it
they have a habit of making the simple look super tough (like the very nervy win against Togo in 2006)

Back!
14-06-2010, 07:15:20
they won't walk it

unless they can walk on their hands....

:cute:

Henry protested because he wasn't awarded a (non-existant) penalty handball...

yes, Henry himself

:rolleyes:

Funko
14-06-2010, 08:03:23
BBC have an Irish presenter on their highlights show. Apparently his immediate reaction on seeing the incident live during the game (before replays etc showed it wasn't a penalty) was

"Penalty! Don't give it!"

maroule
14-06-2010, 08:20:06
:lol:

I hope they'll get over it one day, it's not the potato famine either

maroule
16-06-2010, 16:18:16
curiously, nobody picked Spain as a potential flop...

Funko
16-06-2010, 16:21:58
I still think they'll win it.

maroule
16-06-2010, 16:34:41
not so sure
they're a team who rode high also because they finally found their confidence, so there are two scenario,

either the slap injects a healthy dose of humility, and they bounce back...

or they start to fret, beat Honduras, and don't win against Chile (who are as you said genuinely good)... and that's quite possibly bye bye... (scenario could be; chile beats swiss, swiss beats hond, and both are on 6 to 4 for spain)

personally I'd bet for scenario 2

on a side note, apart from germany, it's been very disapointing football wise, and it's derpessing to see a team with 0 ambitions wins it... but that's good omens for France :)

Funko
17-06-2010, 07:53:00
I think Chile might be undone by actually trying to play football against Spain. But yes, it's perfectly plausible that they don't qualify now. I think they will but I've been wrong about just about everything in this World Cup so far. :D

King_Ghidra
17-06-2010, 08:03:42
ditto. and even worse, every time i modify my pre-tournament predictions based on what i've actually seen, i get even wronger

Funko
17-06-2010, 08:08:17
The results have been so strange so far that only people that don't know anything about football can succeed at predictions or fantasy games. :beer:

Back!
17-06-2010, 08:29:49
hat off as you must be the biggest CG expert in football, then

:guru:
:beer:

Funko
17-06-2010, 08:33:42
Exactly. Finally someone says what you've all been thinking. Thank you.

maroule
17-06-2010, 08:39:33
it's great that football is finally like economics, the wronger you are, the experter you can claim to be


that maxim should be taught in grammar school actually

Funko
17-06-2010, 08:48:51
The more you use that sentence the grammarer you are.

Back!
17-06-2010, 08:49:50
taught and taughter!

:beer:

Back!
17-06-2010, 08:51:37
:guru:


and rather than guru, I'd call you soccerer

Funko
17-06-2010, 08:54:54
I think I'd like to be a soccerista.

Back!
17-06-2010, 16:42:40
I think Chile might be undone by actually trying to play football against Spain. But yes, it's perfectly plausible that they don't qualify now. I think they will but I've been wrong about just about everything in this World Cup so far. :D

Hey, I just realised:

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/kostage.html

match 56: 1H v 2G

You're telling Spain might not qualify, let's say they get 2H but don't win the group

1H = CHI (or SUI?)

I think Brazil deserved to get slapped in the face in the 1st half, they just speeded a bit for 15 minutes and they bagged it, despite conceding one in the end for excess of smugness
they remain favourite for the group imho

2G = POR (or CIV)

QF W55 v W56

W56 = CHI(SUI) v POR(CIV)

Portugal are a one-man-team depending on the whims of their star Ronaldo.
Imagine they slip

All to the benefit of W55 team...
who's that?

1F v 2E

...

ITA v JPN/CMR/DEN

those bloody luck-addict italians again!

go figure:
Rof16: ITA v JPN
QF: ITA v CIV

and they get a walk to semifinals like they had with AUS and UKR four years ago

:rolleyes: :bash:

Funko
17-06-2010, 19:35:56
Those are more difficult games than Australia and Ukraine last time

Funko
17-06-2010, 20:06:36
Au revoir

Fistandantilus
17-06-2010, 22:21:28
From the Guardian


80 min: That was remarkable, Evra appeared not to give a hoot as Barrero sauntered past him, leaving Abidal exposed, but with no real need to lunge in as Barrero was in danger of running the ball out of play. When the referee pointed to the spot, Domenech was leaning against the edge of the dug-out looking totally expressionless. When the penalty was scored, he was leaning against the dugout looking totally expressionless. Three minutes later, he's still leaning against the edge of the dugout looking totally expressionless.


:lol:
really a pity Domenech is quitting after the WC.

Greg W
18-06-2010, 02:55:18
Was it fate that a team wearing green delivered such a blow? :cute:

Greg W
18-06-2010, 03:05:37
I don't think this is going to link directly, and uploading it won't work because it's 27k, 2k over the upload limit. And it uploads as a .jpg. :clueless:

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x127/jaydayz07/Soccer/IloveSoccer.gif

Not sure if he's waving hello, or goodbye to France... :cute:

Back!
18-06-2010, 06:28:15
really a pity Domenech is quitting after the WC.

http://www.betfairfootball.com/international/france-1/acting-astrology-and-romance---meet-frances-raymond-domenech/

The Actor
Domenech used to be a keen actor with a small theatre company and, according to France Football Federation president Jean-Pierre Escalettes, once took his under-21 side, which at the time included Zidane, Makelele and Thuram, to see Samuel Beckett's Endgame ahead of a big match. He even claims to use theatre techniques in his coaching: "I write down the big lines of my training, then I improvise. I cut the match into different scenes and I put the actors/players in the situation."

Endgame
:beer:

soon he could hope to go back on stage and find a role in some play taken from the movie:
Aguirre: The Wrath of God (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068182/)

:D

maroule
18-06-2010, 09:20:31
good lord, that was a pathetic performance
there is only one bright spot; we were defeated by a team who played real football, with positive/attacking intentions... good luck to them

When Domenech decided not to pick Gourcuyff, he dug his onw grave, may he rot in it now.. but he's not the only one to blame, several key performers (like anelka, evra and others) were distinctly sub par

there is a curious mood today in France; actually people don't really care about the defeat, it has been coming and this team is probably the most unpopular national selection I've ever seen in my life...

Funko
18-06-2010, 09:21:35
There's no doubt that Gourcuyff was shit in the first game though. Along with everyone else.

Fistandantilus
18-06-2010, 09:32:50
Govou being the shittest of them all.
Anyway don't you have a decent striker to throw into the mix? I mean try something..

Funko
18-06-2010, 09:35:28
I can't believe Henry has nothing to offer, but he didn't look like he wanted to play. It was embarrassing, it's still a world cup, for many players their first and for many others their last.

What a shame Ireland weren't there, they may have fewer top quality players but at least they'd have been passionate and tried to do something.

Fistandantilus
18-06-2010, 09:38:17
Yeah, the whole "I don't care" attitude that seemed looming about was really strange.

Back!
18-06-2010, 10:34:32
towards the end, I saw Henry who got up from his bench sulk, chatting amiably with some "old man" in a similar parka behind the banners.
They looked like discussing about the weather, or their nephew's engagement party.

I found out later that the "old man" was Cissé

:o :lol:

Back!
18-06-2010, 10:41:49
However I also found out:

When I watch Brazil playing bad I get annoyed
When I watch England playing bad I get disappointed
When I watch Italy playing bad I get bored (the moreso when they "think" they're playing well)

But when I watch France playing bad, I still enjoy it a lot!
Like watching a TGV disaster in Real TV
Go Mexico!
:beer:

BTW, saw a wonderful headline pun on some french newspaper first page, alas can't recall which:

O sombre héros...

we need a sombrero smilie
:D

maroule
18-06-2010, 12:15:17
but wait! shadenfreude doesn't stop here! after Spain and France, looks like Germany is on for a bad day at the office

now we have Englad to look forward to, but even in my wildest dream I don't see Algeria pulling it off

Funko
18-06-2010, 12:18:41
Stranger things have already happened this world cup.

maroule
18-06-2010, 12:37:33
indeed, but only when a decent team was involved; for all their negativity, Switzerland is tough to beat...
so if that was Slovenia, possibly... Algeria, on the other hand, is really weak (that must be because 8 of their players have a french passport)... at least I hope, cause I've bet on England to win this one

Funko
18-06-2010, 12:45:26
They didn't turn up against Slovenia but I thought they looked quite good in African Nations Cup.

Greg W
18-06-2010, 14:03:49
@#$%ing Germans! They were supposed to win so that Serbia would have nothing to play for in their last match! :bash:

Didn't see the match apart from the last 10 mins. Taking the group situation out of the equation, I am bloody ecstatic that Serbia beat Germany! From a group pov, that sucks for Australia.

Worst thing is now we need two wins to guarantee qualification. A win and a draw will likely see us out on goal difference. Oh well, it's all up to us now...

Funko
18-06-2010, 14:07:15
The worst thing is it exposes just how bad you guys were.

Greg W
18-06-2010, 14:09:32
Or Germany just had an off game tonight after playing brilliantly against us. Dunno, as I said, I didn't see the game.

But, yes, we were shit.

Mightytree
18-06-2010, 15:00:53
The worst thing is it exposes just how bad you guys were.

Yes, we should have beaten Australia 8-0 and Serbia 3-1 or 4-1 today. Serbia defended way better than Australia, but we still easily had chances to score at least 3 or 4 goals again, even with 1 player down for 60 minutes. Easily.

I wouldn't call this an off-game today, although a lot of people in Germany probably will after only looking at the result. I did expect Serbia to score one goal against us because our defense is simply not that great - what I didn't expect was that we didn't manage to convert at least one or two of our numerous good chances. Podolski alone could (should?) have scored four.

Also, that red card against Klose obviously changed the whole game. I don't like discussing referees after a game, but you simply can't send somebody off after two fouls like that. This isn't kindergarden. Neither of those fouls was close to being worth a yellow on its own. Sheesh. :shoot::bash:

Fistandantilus
18-06-2010, 15:07:18
Maybe you should start by scoring penalties, that would help :p

Mightytree
18-06-2010, 15:09:48
Yes, I think that was the first time I ever witnessed us missing a penalty in a major tournament ...

Greg W
18-06-2010, 15:34:06
Poor pre-birthday present for you too! HBD for tomorrow (though it is today here already)! :beer:

Back!
18-06-2010, 16:30:38
FGT!
:beer:

___

England Group SCENARIO:

all teams beat Algeria (far from granted)
we start by only assigning 1-0 wins
(*of course ENG and USA have the chance to score more)

(P GF GA GD)
USA 5 4 3 +1
SVN 4 3 2 +1
ENG 4 2 1 +1

England v Slovenia left to consider
the winner gets 1st with USA 2nd, the loser it's eliminated
in case of a draw they'd all be tied at 5, with the same goal difference
Group goals scored would then decide: England would be 3rd & out with 0-0 or 1-1

this means:
they'd better begin tonite by beating Algeria by 2 at least*,
or they'd be forced anyway to beat Slovenia in the end

Fistandantilus
18-06-2010, 17:20:02
We are up to an average of 3 goals per game in the second round. Not bad.

Funko
18-06-2010, 17:54:59
Yes, I think that was the first time I ever witnessed us missing a penalty in a major tournament ...
only other one in a competitive game 1974, you are prob too young!

Mightytree
18-06-2010, 19:11:36
only other one in a competitive game 1974, you are prob too young!

Hoeneß missed one in the EC 76 final and Stielike did as well in the WC 82 semi-final. The first big tournament I remember watching from start to finish was the EC 88. That missed penalty today may have been the first one since 82.

maroule
19-06-2010, 10:02:40
FGT!
England Group SCENARIO:

all teams beat Algeria (far from granted)
we start by only assigning 1-0 wins
(*of course ENG and USA have the chance to score more)
end

oops


now France sucking donkey balls, I understand, after all, they have sucked for the last 4 years, but the mighty England, touted as a legitimate contender, playing so poorly... I don't get it... Algeria (reading from the biased French press) is said to have been superior technically (didn't see the match myself)

If that's true, it's quite surprising. The algerian players mostly play in obscure clubs, they are nothing like a strong team.

Mightytree
19-06-2010, 10:36:35
Does this really come as a surprise? We've all watched England struggle offensively like this over the whole last decade. Is there any reason this was supposed to change now? They have exactly the same strengths and weaknesses as in the previous years. I honestly wonder what people saw in this English squad that made them tout them as one of the big favourites.

England have exactly one player in their starting 11 who's creative offensively, and that's Rooney. People like to point at Gerrard and Lampard and how many goals they scored for their respective teams in the Premier League - but the fact is that both profit massively from the creativity of foreign players in their clubs. They don't create chances for other people, they finish the chances other players create for them. ANd now they're stuck in a completely different role. England have no player in their midfield that can create or get past an opponent player 1 vs. 1. It's blatantly obvious when you watch them play.

Mightytree
19-06-2010, 10:45:55
Oh, and Algeria was indeed the stronger team technically and offensively. Their offensive was really fluid and a win for them wouldn't have been undeserved IMO.

Funko
19-06-2010, 11:59:36
We haven't played that badly for a long time. Whilst your comments have some merit, it wasn't a lack of creativity in that match, at times they couldn't complete basic passes. It was horribly nervous and stilted. There'll be even more pressure on against Slovenia, who also looked a decent side technically.

This is a team that was scoring for fun in qualifying, and even playing badly in warm ups put 3 past Mexico. Algeria and the USA aren't better sides than Croatia IMO, and we spanked them.

maroule
19-06-2010, 14:38:24
you are right, and a lot of the eventual winners started their group matches being crap

here however I was more thinking in terms of group dynamics, a defeat would pull everyone apart, rather than focus a good team spirit... apparently some old timers like Henri are plotting in the wings to get Gourcuyff out of the team, so it doesn't smack of the type of atmosphere conducive to success

so it proved to be right, Anelka blew a fuse and insulted Domenech ("go fuck yourself son of a bitch") and will be explelled today or tomorrow ... while Gallas gave the finger to a journalist

The Shaker
20-06-2010, 17:19:23
just seems to get worse for the French.

The Shaker
20-06-2010, 18:23:29
England counter with a typically pathetic attempt to copy the French. Can't even do a dressing room rift right can we.

Back!
21-06-2010, 07:52:17
oops

:lol: indeed

luckily I had protected myself with a perfunctory "far from granted"

Back!
21-06-2010, 07:55:02
:lol:

I hope they'll get over it one day, it's not the potato famine either

I hope not!

another pearl from an Irish Times / Examiner / Cant'recall headline

France fate now out of their hands

:lol: :lol: :lol:
:beer:

Funko
21-06-2010, 08:01:15
:lol:

Greg W
21-06-2010, 13:26:43
:lol:

Drekkus
21-06-2010, 13:55:05
why is that funny?

Fistandantilus
21-06-2010, 14:09:26
You never fail to remember everyone the reason this smile :drekkus: has been created :D

Funko
21-06-2010, 14:25:23
:lol:

mr_B
21-06-2010, 14:33:11
why is that funny?

hey psssst drekkus, it's about the France handball in the qualifier

Drekkus
21-06-2010, 14:39:51
pfffff, was I supposed to make that connection?

mr_B
21-06-2010, 14:49:16
no

Back!
21-06-2010, 14:54:35
pfffff, was I supposed to make that connection?

it's easier to make the tiniest particles collide at almost lightspeed in the hlc

Back!
21-06-2010, 15:57:46
http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball-wm-2010-suedafrika/2010/06/21/allgemein/italien-video/macht-gute-laune.html

Refrain des Läster-Liedes: „Wer den Cup gewinnt, ist scheißegal, nur Italien nicht, Italien nicht!“.

:lol:

Drekkus
21-06-2010, 20:57:39
I wonder what Edgar Davids has to say about the situations in the french and english teams.

Back!
22-06-2010, 14:21:24
Squillaci, Clichy, Diarra, Cissé, Gignac brought in, Gourcuff back in.

Henry still starting on the bench.
:hmm:

Greg W
22-06-2010, 14:25:07
And 1-0 to Bafana Bafana! :eek:

Back!
22-06-2010, 14:29:15
Gourcuff back in.


and soon sent off!

:lol:

Greg W
22-06-2010, 14:36:03
25 mins in in fact! Good game Uruguay v Mexico so far! I think both sides want to avoid Argentina in the round of 16!

Greg W
22-06-2010, 14:38:41
And 1-0 to Bafana Bafana! :eek:2-0! :eek: :eek:

Greg W
22-06-2010, 14:44:52
And 1-0 to Uruguay!

Greg W
22-06-2010, 14:46:03
As things are now, South Africa need 2 more goals to progress.

Back!
22-06-2010, 14:46:40
3rd goal disallowed for offside

now with a 4-0 S.Africa would qualify as 2nd

_____
you were quicker by 37 seconds

Greg W
22-06-2010, 14:49:04
NAHN: If they're equal on goal difference, who progresses? The team who has scored more goals?

Back!
22-06-2010, 14:49:42
As things are now, South Africa need 2 more goals to progress.


exactly,
RSA 4-0 and MEX 0-1 would qualify RSA
RSA 3-0 and MEX 0-2 too
RSA 2-0 and MEX 0-3 will send them both instead to draw lots for 2nd place

MOBIUS
22-06-2010, 14:50:37
I bet Maroule wishes the French could take back Henry's handball against the Irish...:D

Back!
22-06-2010, 14:51:00
NAHN: If they're equal on goal difference, who progresses? The team who has scored more goals?

yes
in case they're still equal head-2-head counts, but they drew 1-1 in the opener

Greg W
22-06-2010, 14:53:06
If they go out, as seems likely, as the 8th ranked side in terms of pre-tournament betting, I'd say that'd be the flop of the tournament so far. :violin:

Depending on who else goes out in the group stage of course. :cute:

Greg W
22-06-2010, 14:55:17
yes
in case they're still equal head-2-head counts, but they drew 1-1 in the openerOk, so Goal difference, then goals scored, then head to head?

Greg W
22-06-2010, 14:56:13
Oops...

Funko
22-06-2010, 15:00:56
Italy Spain could go out first

Greg W
22-06-2010, 15:03:38
Thus I said so far... :p

Nice 3X-post btw... :p

Back!
22-06-2010, 15:04:42
ITA had an easier group than FRA, but FRA played worst, conceded more and didn't even score so far, leaving alone the pitiful off-field show

Fistandantilus
22-06-2010, 15:06:17
It seems the Mexico Uruguay game will end 0-1.
According to the fantasy football site they already played 90 mins. Cool.

Greg W
22-06-2010, 15:06:43
And unfortunately, Italy isn't out yet. Mind you, neither is France yet, they could still have a 6 goal second half! :cute:




Or not... :lol:

Fistandantilus
22-06-2010, 15:06:47
Oh they fixed it :(

Greg W
22-06-2010, 15:08:24
Don't you hate it when the truth gets in the way of a good story!

Back!
22-06-2010, 15:08:28
lol, yeah, it's a glitch I saw before

cool glitch tho

Back!
22-06-2010, 15:09:57
And unfortunately, Italy isn't out yet.

I wonder why you have it so much against Italy.
Oh, wait, I hate them too!

:beer:

Greg W
22-06-2010, 15:10:39
:cute:

Greg W
22-06-2010, 15:12:59
Great save to deny Uruguay a 2nd goal!

Fistandantilus
22-06-2010, 15:13:39
Great post to deny South Africa the 3rd one too :lol:

Greg W
22-06-2010, 15:16:10
I'm watching the Uruguay v Mexico game and only flicking to les Poos! So didn't see that... :(

Fistandantilus
22-06-2010, 15:17:37
Yeah, I find more enjoying to watch France for some reason :cute:

Greg W
22-06-2010, 15:17:41
Though I did just see a good save to deny Bafana Bafana a 3rd goal!

Greg W
22-06-2010, 15:18:29
Yeah, I find more enjoying to watch France for some reason :cute:You like witnessing France self destruct? ;)

Fistandantilus
22-06-2010, 15:29:34
Awww, stupid France. Dream crushers.

Greg W
22-06-2010, 15:30:11
How rude of les poos!

Back!
22-06-2010, 15:42:04
Now with 3 more goals by URU (i.e. 4-0) there would be draw lots between RSA & MEX for qualification

RSA 5-1 MEX 0-1
RSA 4-1 MEX 0-2
RSA 3-1 MEX 0-3

would all see S.Africa thru

but there's only few minutes left

Greg W
22-06-2010, 15:43:31
Yep, I think Uruguay and Mexico are through!

Back!
22-06-2010, 15:44:26
Henry still starting on the bench.
:hmm:

meanwhile he had got in at 55'

16:41 Commentary France v South Africa
This might be the last time we see Thierry Henry on the international stage, and he whacks a crazy shot from about 40 yards out on the left plenty over the crossbar. It's petering out a little bit, sadly

Greg W
22-06-2010, 15:51:52
Well, officially we have:
- the first time ever a host nation has exited at the group stage!
- last WCs runners up out!

Fistandantilus
22-06-2010, 15:53:39
Three african teams are out already.

Back!
22-06-2010, 15:54:29
RSA, CMR, and?

Funko
22-06-2010, 15:55:54
And Ivory Coast all but out.

Fistandantilus
22-06-2010, 15:56:08
Oh Nigeria still have a chance. My bad

Back!
22-06-2010, 16:15:02
CIV would indeed need a miracle, albeit not officially out yet

if you trust ARG to easily beat GRE tonite, then NGA would be 2nd with any win over KOR, not an impervious task

I wouldn't count off ALG chances of beating USA
then they'll need ENG to not win, or to win by 2.
Only a 1-0 English win would raise the bar for ALG

Then there's GHA-GER to play
With a draw they'd be thru
Even by losing they can hope in SRB not winning, and favorable tiebreakers

Fistandantilus
22-06-2010, 20:32:38
So.

Group A: an european and an african team eliminated
Group B: an european and an african team eliminated

Group C must follow the same rule so Algeria is clearly out. Slovenia and England will play to avoid being the euro team to go out.

Funko
22-06-2010, 22:24:13
Not all the groups have African teams!

Back!
23-06-2010, 06:46:58
while NGA was ahead in the 1st half, for a while GRE was qualified
then KOR equalised and kept 2nd place till the end
after GRE got finally down in last 15 minutes, NGA was back level and could have qualified by winning, but they missed their final chances

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/matches/match_35/default.stm


...
A frantic final 20 minutes ensued as both sides missed chances but the draw was enough for South Korea to progress and leave Nigeria as the third African team to exit the tournament after South Africa and Cameroon, who still have one game to play.

Back!
23-06-2010, 08:07:30
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/matches/match_37/default.stm

TEAM NEWS
England coach Fabio Capello has confirmed that Mathew Upson will replace the suspended Jamie Carragher at centre-back. Capello, who says he will probably "change some others", must also decide whether to persist with Emile Heskey up front.

Capello could switch to a five-man midfield, with Joe Cole touted by many as the man to bring creative spark to the Three Lions.


MATCH FACTS

England
- Wayne Rooney has failed to score in his last seven internationals. He has gone 10 and a half hours (639 minutes, excluding added time) since scoring against Croatia in September, his worst run for England.

- In their last eight World Cup campaigns, England have won their final group match six times, although they only drew with Nigeria in 2002 and Sweden in 2006.

- They are unbeaten in their last seven World Cup matches, excluding penalty shootouts. It equals their best ever run in the tournament, set between 1966 and 1970.

- The last time England failed to win their first two World Cup matches was in 1990, when they went on to reach the semi-finals.

Funko
23-06-2010, 09:22:50
Seems likely he'll start Defoe and Rooney, with Milner on the right and Barry on the left according to what I read this morning.

If so it'll be to the collective groans and banging of heads on the table of 20m Englanders.

Joe Cole played brilliantly the 30 mins he had in the warm up.

I'd love us to play something like Barry + Carrick/Milner in front of back 4 plus JC, Lampard/Lennon and Gerrard just behind Rooney.

Back!
23-06-2010, 11:24:40
SMS
From Samantha: "Leaving work shortly; have had St George flags painted on my big toe nails; England expects! COME ON LADS!


hmpf, could have gone a bit further...

what about tits?

:bounce:

Funko
23-06-2010, 11:32:30
You mean paint the players?

Back!
23-06-2010, 11:39:52
:lol:

______________________


BBC Sport's chief football writer Phil McNulty "It seems Fabio Capello is poised to confirm the England team we expected last night, with Jermain Defoe replacing Emile Heskey up front, the coach finally accepting a striker who never looks like scoring a goal is a slight handicap.

James Milner gets a chance to atone for his poor first game against the United States by replacing Aaron Lennon, leaving the possibility of Steven Gerrard operating just behind Defoe and Wayne Rooney.

And, for all John Terry's contentious pleadings, no Joe Cole."

Funko
23-06-2010, 11:43:34
*groan*

*bang head on table*

Back!
23-06-2010, 12:04:05
"While England fans count down to 1500 BST, the rest of the UK looks on."

12:44 Commentary

The Scottish edition of the Sun newspaper has a photo of Fabio Capello with one hand in the air and the caption:
'Hands up who's daft enough to think the English can still win it?'

In Northern Ireland, Belfast Telegraph columnist Steven Beacom calls for greater maturity from England players in a piece which says:
'Grumpy young men should grow up.'

In Wales, the sports agenda is dominated by news of the second rugby union test against New Zealand on Saturday.

Fistandantilus
23-06-2010, 12:30:03
Conference hall with megascreen ready. Go England!

Back!
23-06-2010, 12:55:00
BBC Radio 5 live's Alan Green

"We can speculate until the cows come home, but we don't know how England will line up.
It could be a 4-4-2, it could be a 4-3-2-1, it could be a 4-3-1-2.
If it's either of the latter two, I don't think Capello has done that for England yet.
But if it gives Steven Gerrard a freer role, then I'm in favour of it."


MOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Greg W
23-06-2010, 13:11:22
Will be interesting to see how England go. If they don't progress, they take over from France as biggest flop so far as 4th favourites!

I will be supporting England though. They're kinda my equal 3rd team with Brazil.

Drekkus
23-06-2010, 13:18:58
England were 4th favourites?? So after Brazil, Spain, Argentina, Holland, and maybe Germany then?

Scabrous Birdseed
23-06-2010, 13:26:12
I'm outside in the sun, trying to watch england on my PC. See how it goes! :)

Drekkus
23-06-2010, 13:28:55
SB, have any weather forcasts for Sweden for the second half of july? :D

Greg W
23-06-2010, 13:33:21
I did say "were"... :cute:

Back!
23-06-2010, 15:28:56
16:21 Commentary Slovenia v England
Wayne Rooney is limping


...

16:25 Commentary Slovenia v England
Wayne Rooney appears to be running OK now, but England are readying Joe Cole. He is still alive!


16:27 SUBSTITUTION Slovenia v England
Wayne Rooney is taken off by Fabio Capello and Joe Cole comes on in his place. Huge ovation for both men.

Fistandantilus
23-06-2010, 16:03:38
So.

Group A: an european and an african team eliminated
Group B: an european and an african team eliminated

Group C must follow the same rule so Algeria is clearly out. Slovenia and England will play to avoid being the euro team to go out.

There we go.

Now with group D.
Ghana: african team, they have to go out so they will lose against Germany. That means the other euro team Serbia is doomed to an early exit.

Germany and Australia to win tonight. Easy peasy prediction.

Back!
23-06-2010, 17:25:10
Germany and Australia to win tonight. Easy peasy prediction.

That would make for GER v ENG and USA v AUS next round!
:beer:

Funko
23-06-2010, 18:37:47
It really is a much easier path to the semis that the USA have (if Germany win)

Funko
23-06-2010, 19:05:37
Handball on the line, basically the same as the Kewell one. Germany get away with it.

Greg W
24-06-2010, 01:17:10
Ah well. We were still a good 3 goals short, all goes back to that stupid way we played against Germany! If we had played the way we played against Ghana or Serbia instead we may have had a chance with a lesser goal difference. Either way I am proud of our boys getting 4 points out of the group of death, especially after playing more than an hour out of three with 10 players.

And a Germany v Ghana draw would have meant we had to overcome an 8 goal difference with Germany to progress.

Drekkus
24-06-2010, 07:41:31
Biggest surprise for me there is the poor performance of serbia, who i rated higher then Germany before to the WC.

Funko
24-06-2010, 07:54:15
Well they did beat Germany. ;)

Back!
24-06-2010, 08:27:55
Germany only lost to Serbia and won the other two.
Serbia only beat Germany and lost the other two.

:)

Drekkus
24-06-2010, 08:31:52
they did have some bad luck with the aussi handball

Back!
24-06-2010, 08:36:30
Handball on the line, basically the same as the Kewell one. Germany get away with it.

Unbelievable how people can be biased and report things totally different from what really happened

:lol:

*Eventual* Lahm handball was COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from Kewell one, just as DAY and NIGHT

:p

the ball hit Lahm on the CHEST, and while slipping away from the deflection, it probably brushes in a slight way Lahm's right arm that was totally adherent to his right side.

Kewell's arm was sticking out with an angle, and got hit directly smack on the biceps without touching other parts of Kewell's body

- FACTS!

then you can twitch and thwart them as you like and as it fits your agenda
;)
I don't actually care as I'm not partial either way, I only seek the truth
:cute:
:coolgrin:

Funko
24-06-2010, 08:42:11
:lol: I actually missed it, only heard what our commentators said.

Back!
24-06-2010, 08:48:42
:lol: so you're guilty of reporting 2nd hand comments as your own!
;)
serves you well!
:p

_________

More than that one, it was documented after the game how Cacau was straight on the line of Oezil's shot (blocking keeper's sight too), and Cacau actively participated in the goal as he ducked to let pass the ball that he'd have otherwise stopped.
Cacau was in line with last Ghanian defender.
Some argue he could have been inches offside, and thus the goal should have been disallowed.
I don't think so, and anyway it would be just a finesse that shouldn't spoil the beauty of Oezil shot, as a bolt out of the blue

Funko
24-06-2010, 09:02:31
I don't think that qualifies as offside with the current interpretation anyway, it was a worthy game winner. :provost:

Drekkus
24-06-2010, 09:17:49
Has anyone sighted Maroule lately, btw?

Funko
24-06-2010, 09:54:15
I think he's flying home in economy.

Greg W
24-06-2010, 14:48:20
Back! is right. Kewell and Lahm's handballs were totally different!

Kewell in no way moved towards the ball and in fact could not have had time to move his arm out of the way. The ball hit him rather than him hitting the ball.

Lahm has time to deliberately move towards the ball, misjudges it and gets caught on the arm. He hit the ball rather than the bell hitting him.

Night and day! Lahm's was "intentional", Kewell's was not. :p

Funko
24-06-2010, 15:02:22
I don't know how anyone watching the Kewell video can honestly say he didn't move towards the ball. I've seen it ~20 times at all speeds from every angle.

Still haven't seen Lahm one.

Greg W
24-06-2010, 15:22:21
From what I saw, he was moving when the ball was struck. I did not see him change his motion to try and intercept the ball.

Greg W
24-06-2010, 15:33:49
Holy Shit Slovakia! 2-0 up against Italy!

Debaser
24-06-2010, 15:57:39
Unlucky Italy, it was a good effort.

Also feel sorry of plucky* New Zealand. Unbeaten in their group, it's a shame they're out.

*© Every newspaper editor in the English speaking world.

Mightytree
24-06-2010, 16:06:54
The problem with Italy is that they only start playing good football when somebody puts a knife at their collective throats. At the end it simply wasn't enough.

Greg W
24-06-2010, 16:19:40
Yep, Italy simply left things too late. As for "unlucky" and a "good effort"... nobody to blame but themselves. If they couldn't get out of that group, they don't deserve any better. Their progress should have been wrapped up 2 games ago.

Such a shame that the Kiwis went out,that would have been a fairytale, but also fair recompense for a magnificent effort on their part!

Funko
24-06-2010, 16:29:00
Agree with everyone. *shock*

The Shaker
24-06-2010, 17:33:27
I don't know how anyone watching the Kewell video can honestly say he didn't move towards the ball. I've seen it ~20 times at all speeds from every angle.

Still haven't seen Lahm one.

If you've put a player on the line, they'd damn well better move towards the ball. Was is Scholes who ducked under one once?

I had Italy down as to go through. That is more of a shock fro me than France (or England would have been). Next Spain?

Fistandantilus
24-06-2010, 18:08:43
The problem with Italy is that they only start playing good football when somebody puts a knife at their collective throats. At the end it simply wasn't enough.

The real problem is it was an arrogant and crap team to begin with :p

Fistandantilus
24-06-2010, 18:09:15
Back! is right. Kewell and Lahm's handballs were totally different!

Kewell in no way moved towards the ball and in fact could not have had time to move his arm out of the way. The ball hit him rather than him hitting the ball.

Lahm has time to deliberately move towards the ball, misjudges it and gets caught on the arm. He hit the ball rather than the bell hitting him.

Night and day! Lahm's was "intentional", Kewell's was not. :p

:lol:

Drekkus
24-06-2010, 18:10:53
So what evening game is being televised in your country? I guess DEN - JAP since that game is about who survives?

Drekkus
24-06-2010, 18:18:20
Holland skipped a training yesterday and visited Robbenisland for all the historic Mandela stuff. Smart move I think. Puts overpaid, spoiled footballers in their place and might prevent big egos ruining things.

Fistandantilus
24-06-2010, 18:19:35
On public tv no one cause they can show only one per day and we got the Italy game already.
As for me I'll be watching netherlands :p

King_Ghidra
24-06-2010, 18:31:40
That Quagliarella goal was the goal of the tournament for me so far. A moment of astonishing skill and vision at a moment of incredible pressure. Remarkable.

But Italy flopping was probably my first correct prediction of the WC :p

Drekkus
24-06-2010, 18:45:52
On public tv no one cause they can show only one per day and we got the Italy game already.
As for me I'll be watching netherlands :p

You might want to reconsider, from what i can tell. The other game seems to be more attractive.

Drekkus
24-06-2010, 18:48:56
Brilliant goal from Honda!

Drekkus
24-06-2010, 19:00:29
are there any premier league players at the WC who actually have risen to their status? Van Persie is suffering from Rooney syndrom it seems

Fistandantilus
24-06-2010, 19:01:43
You might want to reconsider, from what i can tell. The other game seems to be more attractive.

Yeah I did :p

Fistandantilus
24-06-2010, 19:06:05
are there any premier league players at the WC who actually have risen to their status? Van Persie is suffering from Rooney syndrom it seems

He's better than Ronney. Great goal :)

Drekkus
24-06-2010, 19:07:51
are there any premier league players at the WC who actually have risen to their status? Van Persie is suffering from Rooney syndrom it seems

I should have bitched about this far earlier :D

Funko
24-06-2010, 19:26:49
The most offensive abuse for a footballer I* have ever heard was directed at Van Persie at Reading just after he was arrested due to that rape scandal.

Was a good goal, but shocking defending.

*I wasn't actually there, K_G was. But his description was so vivid that in my memory it was me hearing it.

Ellipsis
24-06-2010, 20:09:30
I'm watching Denmark, hoping they'll go out.

What a cheap penalty...

Funko
24-06-2010, 20:14:41
Total dive. Probably learnt that from Gerrard.

Scabrous Birdseed
24-06-2010, 20:20:45
Japan are a bit impressive. Quarter finals?

Drekkus
24-06-2010, 20:21:59
Niiiice move from Honda!!!

Holland 9 out of 3. No great football, yet effective. Robben managed to not get injured and prepare a goal. So next up Slovakia.

Funko
24-06-2010, 20:24:58
2-0? What a waste of effort! I'm disgusted.

Drekkus
24-06-2010, 20:54:07
nono, 2 -1. Damn camaronesians scored a goal, so we had to score one extra.

Funko
24-06-2010, 20:57:16
Just seen that on the highlights. Eto'o scored every game since I transferred him out

Greg W
25-06-2010, 01:44:20
The most offensive abuse for a footballer I* have ever heard was directed at Van Persie at Reading just after he was arrested due to that rape scandal.

Was a good goal, but shocking defending.

*I wasn't actually there, K_G was. But his description was so vivid that in my memory it was me hearing it.So, what was it? PM me if you don't want to post it here...

Funko
25-06-2010, 07:23:46
Like I said, I wasn't really there. I was really drunk last night. :lol:

Debaser
25-06-2010, 08:56:56
Not really relevant, but that reminds me of something funny I was told the other day. My friend works in sales recruitment, and he came across an application that answered the usual "Please indicate whether you have any previous convictions. If Yes then please list them" question with a concise "Yes (Rape)". :(

Funko
25-06-2010, 09:01:50
Wow.

Back!
25-06-2010, 09:30:47
Night and day! Lahm's was "intentional", Kewell's was not. :p

Pleased to meet a Navi avatar from an alien world, Greg

Lahm intentionally hit the ball with the chest and accidentally it slipped brushing his tight arm very slightly

Kewell intentionally stood on the line with his arm wide open, and intentionally kept his arm there while keeping his keen eyes fixed on the incoming ball all the time, intentionally not wanting to move his arm out of the ball way which he had plenty of time to attempt if not to achieve.

:p

- FACTS!

Back!
25-06-2010, 09:48:20
Unlucky Italy, it was a good effort.

The problem with Italy is that they only start playing good football when somebody puts a knife at their collective throats. At the end it simply wasn't enough.

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub0880D9546AD54B17BA97B50EF7058A13/Doc~E6C034256F7CC4A71A6715FCC53F4872B~ATpl~Ecommon ~Scontent.html
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung:
"Weltmeister Italien hat fertig"
German humour, that's news!
:lol:

but the most spot on was tha Spanish ABC
http://www.abc.es/20100624/deportes-futbol/cronica-italia-eslovaquia-201006241756.html
Italia encuentra la bala de su ruleta rusa
Como siempre, la campeona salió a jugar a nada y, cuando quiso reaccionar, Eslovaquia la remató con astucia

more or less
"Italy meets the ball of their russian roulette
As always, the champion got on the field with no play and, when required to react, Slovakia astutely pushed them down again"
inside: If you play it too many times, in the end you blow your head. And today Slovakia added more balls (bullets) in the revolver

Back!
25-06-2010, 10:08:25
That Quagliarella goal was the goal of the tournament for me so far. A moment of astonishing skill and vision at a moment of incredible pressure. Remarkable.

But Italy flopping was probably my first correct prediction of the WC :p

Totally concur about best goal.
Lippi must be crucifixed head down for not having played him more

Italy's definitely a flop, debate open whether their or France is *biggest*, which the prediction was about

France played 10 times worst than Italy, Lippi sunk their chances with his presumption and arrogance but owned up totally in the end and can't be compared with the Domenech SCUM, italian palyers were poor and unispired but kept their dignity and mostly didn't show their usual feign/dive/whine antics, much better than french team behavior

but Slovakia, FFsake
and amateur Kiwis.... which levle could they be compared with? Conference football? Wimbledon? Luton Town? or is that even too much?

Slovakia too, was awful vs NZL, horrible vs Paraguay
and horrible too yesterday, they controlled 1st half only because Italy was frozen in terror. The greatest guilt of Italy was not of only playing half an hour, but of gifting 3 balls to such a horrible team as Slovakia to score
they're not better than a mid-table championship team
there, for instance Reading plays much better than Slovakia

So:
France display was worse or much worse than Italy one under almost every aspect
but for god's sake, Italy got out against Reading and Luton Town!!!!!!

:bouncmsk:

King_Ghidra
25-06-2010, 10:12:07
well there is one clear comparison with lippi and domenech - neither shook the other coaches hand after their defeat...

Back!
25-06-2010, 10:22:39
didn't Lippi?

I missed that bit

I saw him rush inside, for sure shame overwhelmed him
maybe they hadn't the chance to meet later

while we all saw Domenech face to face with Parreira repeatedly refusing and *taking away* the hand that the brazilian wanted to shake
that's something totally different fer sure

Back!
25-06-2010, 14:26:07
1930
1st URU -> '34 declined (protesting many Euro teams didn't travel to Uru in '30)
2nd ARG -> '34 out 1st Rd (R.of16 KO w/o groups)

1934
1st ITA -> '38 WIN again
2nd CZE -> '38 out QF v BRA (1-1, 1-2 replay)

1938
1st ITA -> '50 out in group (as 2nd, only winner to "semis")
2nd HUN -> '50 did not even enter qualifications

1950
1st URU -> '54 4th (lost semi to HUN, 3rdFinal to AUT)
2nd BRA -> '54 out QF v HUN 2-4

1954
1st GER -> '58 4th (lost semi to SWE, 3rdFinal to FRA)
2nd HUN -> '58 out as 3rd in Group (behind Wales!)

1958
1st BRA -> '62 WIN again
2nd SWE -> '62 failed to qualify to WC, lost a playoff v SUI 1-2

1962
1st BRA -> '66 out as 3rd in Group, behind POR, HUN
2nd CZE -> '66 failed to qualify to WC (POR won qualif group)

1966
1st ENG -> '70 out QF v GER 2-3 aet
2nd GER -> '70 3rd (lost semi to ITA 3-4 aet)

1970
1st BRA -> '74 4th (lost 3rdFinal to POL)
2nd ITA -> '74 out as 3rd in Group (behind POL, ARG)

1974
1st GER -> '78 out "QF" (3rd in "semifinal group")
2nd NED -> '78 2nd again (lost final to ARG)

1978
1st ARG -> '82 out "QF" (3rd in "quarterfinal group")
2nd NED -> '82 failed to qualify to WC (4th in qualif group)

1982
1st ITA -> '86 out 1st KO v FRA 0-2
2nd GER -> '86 2nd again (lost final to ARG)

1986
1st ARG -> '90 2nd (lost final rematch to GER)
2nd GER -> '90 WIN (final rematch v ARG)

1990
1st GER -> '94 out QF v BUL 1-2
2nd ARG -> '94 out 1st KO v ROM 2-3

1994
1st BRA -> '98 2nd ( (lost final to FRA)
2nd ITA -> '98 out QF v FRA 0-0 pen.

1998
1st FRA -> '02 OUT as last in Group goalless
2nd BRA -> '02 WIN (final v GER)

2002
1st BRA -> '06 out QF v FRA 0-1
2nd GER -> '06 3rd (lost semi to ITA 0-2 aet)

2006
1st ITA -> '10 OUT as last in Group
2nd FRA -> '10 OUT as last in Group


SO:
it's not the worst result by the World Champions
it's not the worst rusult by previous runners-up

it's not the worst result combined by the previous WC finalists
(for instance '62 finalists did worse in WC'66)

Best result was in '90, when '86 final was repeated

Back!
25-06-2010, 14:28:34
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/matches/match_45/default.stm

15:19 GOAL North Korea 0-2 Ivory Coast
Sorry, but this is just pathetic. Ivory Coast are creating chances at will and after Didier Drogba turns and slams a ferocious volley against the underside of the bar, Romaric is on hand to head into an unguarded net. They could end up with 8, 9, 10, 11 - Portugal, beware

Funko
25-06-2010, 14:29:49
Great to see the referee booking the portuguese player for running the length of the pitch to call for a red card!

(it could have been a red though, I think... probably enough cover equal to the man with the ball...)

Back!
25-06-2010, 14:30:12
only 7 more goals needed, 1 thereof by Brazil

:D

Funko
25-06-2010, 14:30:21
Ivory coast just need 7 more goals for them and against Portugal... surely too much....

Funko
25-06-2010, 14:30:33
6!

Funko
25-06-2010, 14:30:42
Shit, great save!