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28-05-2010, 16:03:04

28-05-2010, 16:14:37
yay! more public money spent! drunken fureigners fighting!

it's actually good for the british, you'll be able to come see the matches easily and cheaply in train (2 parisian stadiums selected, one in Lille) while english wags can parade half naked without creating a riot in the grand bazaar of Istanbul

31-05-2010, 07:59:17

France has been selected as the host nation of UEFA EURO 2016, the first UEFA European Football Championship final round to feature 24 teams.
"I want first to thank our friends from Italy and Turkey; I feel for them and the feelings of frustration and sadness after months of work and I wish Italian and Turkish football good luck," said French Football Federation (FFF) president Jean-Pierre Escalettes.
[translation: :p ]
The FFF bid included 12 stadiums, of which seven would require major renovations and four would be new, in 11 cities: Bordeaux, Lens, Lille, Lyon, Marseille, Nancy, Nice, Paris (Stade de France and Parc des Princes), Saint-Etienne, Strasbourg and Toulouse.

France has previously hosted the FIFA World Cup in 1938 and 1998, winning the latter competition, having also triumphed on home soil at EURO '84. Les Bleus added a second European crown in the Low Countries in 2000, but were beaten in the final of the 2006 World Cup by Italy.

"Low Countries" ???

What was wrong with the perfect 16-teams format?
They wanted to squeeze some more money out of it?
I was afraid they could adopt the terrible Spain '82 3-team groups format.
Luckily they won't
http://en.uefa.com/uefa/aboutuefa/organisation/executivecommittee/news/newsid=754190.html#uefa+approves+team+euro+from+20 16
but the solution is far from ideal either:
Expanded format
The format of the final tournament will consist of six groups of four teams, followed by a round of 16, quarter-finals, semi-finals and final. The top two from each group would qualify in addition to the four best third-ranked sides.
This format would generate a total of 51 games, compared with 31 now, to be played over a period of 29 to 31 days depending on the match schedule. This historic decision gives middle-ranked countries a much greater chance to qualify for the finals. The traditional qualifying structure, with groups of six and five teams, will remain in place

"welcome" final tournament cross-groups ranking to determine the 2 worst 3rd ranked teams to be eliminated.
Also, not knowing beforehand which groups the four 3rd-ranked will come from, will force to have a flexible knockout brackets.
Two group runnerups will have to be seeded alongside group-winners in the round of 16.
Will they be chosen as the two best-ranked runnerups? Nightmare.
Will they be chosen in advance? On which basis? Unjust.

Oh well.
We'll have 6 years to get used to this idiocy

31-05-2010, 08:17:30
on wiki, detalis about bids and French venues


01-06-2010, 08:01:25
That is a shit format. 16 is great.

I agree with maroule that France is a great host from English point of view.

01-06-2010, 14:27:11
More shit teams will qualify, hooray! We're probably still too shit to qualify, though...

01-06-2010, 14:46:36
I think England can make it this time.

01-06-2010, 14:52:04
With 24 we really ought to. Apparently it's still groups of 5 and 6 to qualify, I guess still 9 groups, so most of the top 3 qualify.

01-06-2010, 15:07:11

53 member associations (barring new spinoffs... Kosovo? ;) )
1 host (France)
52 to play qualifications
6 teams per group (eventually 5)
9 groups: 7grs of 6 teams (7*6=42), 2 grs of just 5 (2*5=10, 42+10=52)

24 taking part in the new-format final tournament
23 to qualify
23/9 = 2, with the remainder of 5

as in the current 2012 format
(2 co-hosts +14 to qualify from 9 groups = 9 winners +1 best runnerup, +4 winners of playoffs contested by the remaining 8 RUs)

18 teams: Winners AND Runner-Ups from 9 groups
1 team: best 3rd ranked (for comparison sake, in 6-teams groups you drop the bottom team from the ranking)
4 teams: 4 winners of playoffs contested by all 8 remaining 3rd-ranked teams

top seeded countries will just need to get 2nd in their group, and should they even slip in 3rd they'll have great chances to get thru playoffs anyway
qualifications maybe a bit more exciting for mid-table countries, but much more boring for top teams, who would only fight for... their Uefa ranking...

Scabrous Birdseed
01-06-2010, 15:36:25
What says "best third-ranked teams" is based on ranking? Surely (as in the 1994 World Cup) it'll be points/goal difference?

01-06-2010, 16:09:32
What says "best third-ranked teams" is based on ranking?
well, as of course all 3rd-ranked teams will be ranked 3rd in their group,
they'll have to rank the 9 3rd-ranked teams based on their group performances

Surely (as in the 1994 World Cup) it'll be points/goal difference?
that's what I said (what made you read anything different?) and what UEFA did for WC2010 qualifiers and has set for Euro 2012

2010 FIFA World Cup qualification UEFA Second Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_%E2%80%93_UEFA_S econd_Round#Qualification)
The UEFA second round was contested by the best eight runners-up from the nine first round groups

The eight best runners-up from the UEFA First Round qualified for the play-offs. With one group having one team fewer than the others, matches against the sixth-placed team in the group are not included in this ranking.

Ranking rules

Total points
Goal difference
Goals scored
Goals scored away from home
Disciplinary record (yellow card, -1 point; two yellow cards in the same match, -3 points; red card, -3 points; yellow card followed by a direct red card in the same match, -4 points)
Drawing of lots

- or -

UEFA Euro 2012 qualifying (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2012_qualifying#Ranking_of_second-placed_teams)

The second-placed team with the most points from games versus the first-, third- fourth- and fifth-placed teams will qualify also. The remaining eight second-placed teams will contest two-legged playoffs for the right to join them.
[translation: Best RU qualifies, remaining 8 RUs to 4 ko playoffs]

Ranking of second-placed teams
Because some groups contain six teams and some five, matches against the sixth-placed team in each group are not included in this ranking. As a result, eight matches played by each team will count for the purposes of the second-placed table

in WC2010 qualifiers, the worst runnerup had to be dropped from playoffs
in Euro2012 qualifiers, the "best runner-up" will have to be determined for direct qualification
we can imagine the same will apply to the "best 3rd-ranked team" in the 9 goups

"best 3rd-ranked" being presumably determined by the same above ranking rules

01-06-2010, 16:10:57
That was what I understood you to mean.