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Funko
24-05-2010, 13:29:39
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/24/football-transfer-rumours-mourinho-real-madrid

Don't know if this is worth a thread in itself but this from the rumour mill just made me chuckle.

Elsewhere in the Sun, practically every fit and able-bodied young man blessed with enough co-ordination to place one foot in front of the other without falling over is being linked with a move to Real Madrid. Top Premier League clubs are believed to be in a "panic" because José Mourinho is about to be given £100m to spend and is planning a series of swoops for one or all of Chelsea's Didier Drogba, Frank Lampard, Ashley Cole, Michael Essien and Petr Cech, as well as Liverpool's Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres.

With evidence to back up this claim decidedly conspicuous by its absence, the Rumour Mill is going to go out on a limb and guess that it's not beyond the realms of possibility that an opportunistic Sun writer with a looming deadline has just listed well-known Premier League footballers that used to play for Mourinho at Chelsea, one that thought about playing for Mourinho at Chelsea and Fernando Torres.

Back!
27-05-2010, 10:06:56
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8706918.stm

also

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/9098961

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27-05-2010, 10:59:22
Will England need a new coach too?

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/England-World-Cup-countdown-Inter-Milan-want-Fabio-Capello-and-will-double-his-salary-to-get-him-article439657.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/26/inter-england-manager-fabio-capello

Funko
27-05-2010, 11:11:22
Probably.

Can't see many scenarios where he stays on after WC.

If we get to the final or win, he can leave as most successful manager for 50 years.
If we go out in QF or before he hasn't met his own stated goals and could leave (and short-sighted English public would probably want him to go)

If we go out after 1990/1996 type semi-final penalty shoot out... hmm.

Funko
27-05-2010, 11:11:58
I'd like to see him stay on to EC2012 even after we go out in early stages this time

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27-05-2010, 12:16:25
regarding the other Mourinho-related thread too:

no coach won league titles with 3 different clubs, in Italy

Capello (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabio_Capello) did it
for AC Milan: 4 Serie A Scudettos in 5 seasons
for AS Roma: 1 title* (and twice runnerup) in 5 seasons (*18 yrs after previous Scudetto, which btw led Roma to the CL final lost on penalties vs Liverpool in '84)
for Juventus: 2 in 2 seasons in 2005 and 06
These 2 were tho later revoked following the italian football scandal, which saw Juventus themselves stripped of the 2 scudettos and sentenced to 2nd division, only club to get the relegation as sanction amongst all those involved (AC, Lazio, Fiorentina, officilally at least)

He had almost achieved the same as a player, and with the same clubs:
3 league titles with Juve and 1 with Milan, but in Rome he had to content of a domestic Cup

this leaves him anyway as one of the only 6 coaches who managed to win titles with 2 different clubs in Italy (the best known being Trapattoni and Liedholm)

A move to Inter would allow him to obtain again the 3 clubs record (this time unmarred by cheating suspicions)
BTW he still is AC Milan most succesful coach ever, I wonder how the crosstown rivals would take it. Albeit admittedly he got a place in his clubs hall of fame, but never in the fans hearts, who never got "in love" with his attitude and style of play, at AC Milan as well as at Real Madrid.

Funko
27-05-2010, 12:20:18
Interesting, I wonder which English managers have won with 2 different clubs.

Only 5 managers have ever won the Premiership, none of whom are English.

Funko
27-05-2010, 12:22:06
Brian Clough with Derby and Nottingham Forest. First Forest win was 77/78. No-one has done it since I don't think?

Funko
27-05-2010, 12:23:34
Next previous one was Herbert Chapman, in 1933!

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27-05-2010, 12:35:35
yes, I was investigating that too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_First_Division_and_Premier_League_winning_ managers

you missed Dalglish

Fistandantilus
27-05-2010, 12:36:24
Wow.

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27-05-2010, 12:38:53
and some Tom Watson (turn of previous century)

sorted by manager:

1934–35 Allison George, Arsenal
1937–38 Allison George, Arsenal

2009–10 Ancelotti Carlo, Chelsea

1921–22 Ashworth David, Liverpool

1928–29 Brown Robert, The Wednesday
1929–30 Brown Robert, Sheffield Wednesday

1951–52 Busby Matt, Manchester United
1955–56 Busby Matt, Manchester United
1956–57 Busby Matt, Manchester United
1964–65 Busby Matt, Manchester United
1966–67 Busby Matt, Manchester United

1962–63 Catterick Harry, Everton
1969–70 Catterick Harry, Everton

1923–24 Chapman Herbert, Huddersfield Town
1924–25 Chapman Herbert, Huddersfield Town
1930–31 Chapman Herbert, Arsenal
1932–33 Chapman Herbert, Arsenal
1933–34 Chapman Herbert, Arsenal

1971–72 Clough Brian, Derby County
1977–78 Clough Brian, Nottingham Forest

1935–36 Cochrane Johnny, Sunderland

1914–15 Cuff Will, Everton

1953–54 Cullis Stan, Wolverhampton Wanderers
1957–58 Cullis Stan, Wolverhampton Wanderers
1958–59 Cullis Stan, Wolverhampton Wanderers

1985–86 Dalglish Kenny, Liverpool
1987–88 Dalglish Kenny, Liverpool
1989–90 Dalglish Kenny, Liverpool
1994–95 Dalglish Kenny, Blackburn Rovers

1902–03 Dickinson Arthur, The Wednesday
1903–04 Dickinson Arthur, The Wednesday

1954–55 Drake Ted, Chelsea

1919–20 Everiss Fred, West Bromwich Albion

1983–84 Fagan Joe, Liverpool

1992–93 Ferguson Alex, Manchester United
1993–94 Ferguson Alex, Manchester United
1995–96 Ferguson Alex, Manchester United
1996–97 Ferguson Alex, Manchester United
1998–99 Ferguson Alex, Manchester United
1999–2000 Ferguson Alex, Manchester United
2000–01 Ferguson Alex, Manchester United
2002–03 Ferguson Alex, Manchester United
2006–07 Ferguson Alex, Manchester United
2007–08 Ferguson Alex, Manchester United
2008–09 Ferguson Alex, Manchester United

1988–89 Graham George, Arsenal
1990–91 Graham George, Arsenal

1927–28 McIntosh Thomas H., Everton
1931–32 McIntosh Thomas H., Everton

1920–21 Haworth John, Burnley

1948–49 Jackson Bob, Portsmouth
1949–50 Jackson Bob, Portsmouth

1946–47 Kay George, Liverpool

1984–85 Kendall Howard, Everton
1986–87 Kendall Howard, Everton

1912–13 Kyle Bob, Sunderland

1974–75 Mackay Dave, Derby County

1901–02 Mackie Alex, Sunderland

1907–08 Mangnall Ernest, Manchester United
1910–11 Mangnall Ernest, Manchester United

1922–23 McQueen Matt, Liverpool

1970–71 Mee Bertie, Arsenal

1967–68 Mercer Joe, Manchester City

1911–12 Middleton Robert, Blackburn Rovers
1913–14 Middleton Robert, Blackburn Rovers

1890–91 Molyneux Dick, Everton

2004–05 Mourinho José, Chelsea
2005–06 Mourinho José, Chelsea

1960–61 Nicholson Bill, Tottenham Hotspur

1897–98 Nicholson John, Sheffield United

1975–76 Paisley Bob, Liverpool
1976–77 Paisley Bob, Liverpool
1978–79 Paisley Bob, Liverpool
1979–80 Paisley Bob, Liverpool
1981–82 Paisley Bob, Liverpool
1982–83 Paisley Bob, Liverpool

1925–26 Potter Cecil, Huddersfield Town

1959–60 Potts Harry, Burnley

1893–94 Ramsay George, Aston Villa
1895–96 Ramsay George, Aston Villa
1896–97 Ramsay George, Aston Villa
1898–99 Ramsay George, Aston Villa
1899–1900 Ramsay George, Aston Villa
1909–10 Ramsay George, Aston Villa

1961–62 Ramsey Alf, Ipswich Town

1968–69 Revie Don, Leeds United
1973–74 Revie Don, Leeds United

1950–51 Rowe Arthur, Tottenham Hotspur

1980–81 Saunders Ron, Aston Villa

1963–64 Shankly Bill, Liverpool
1965–66 Shankly Bill, Liverpool
1972–73 Shankly Bill, Liverpool

1891–92 Watson Tom, Sunderland
1892–93 Watson Tom, Sunderland
1894–95 Watson Tom, Sunderland
1900–01 Watson Tom, Liverpool
1905–06 Watson Tom, Liverpool

1904–05 Watt Frank, Newcastle United
1906–07 Watt Frank, Newcastle United
1908–09 Watt Frank, Newcastle United
1926–27 Watt Frank, Newcastle United

1997–98 Wenger Arsène, Arsenal
2001–02 Wenger Arsène, Arsenal
2003–04 Wenger Arsène, Arsenal

1947–48 Whittaker Tom, Arsenal
1952–53 Whittaker Tom, Arsenal

1936–37 Wild Wilf, Manchester City

1991–92 Wilkinson Howard, Leeds United

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27-05-2010, 12:50:36
SUMMARY

Tom Watson, 1892 to 1906, Sunderland (3) and Liverpool (2)
Herbert Chapman, '24 to '34, Huddersfield Town (2) and Arsenal (3)
Brian Clough, '72 & '78, Derby County and Nottingham Forest
Kenny Dalglish, '86 to '95, Liverpool (3) and Blackburn Rovers

Funko
27-05-2010, 13:03:09
yes, I was investigating that too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_First_Division_and_Premier_League_winning_ managers

you missed Dalglish

I forgot him, of course.

Funko
27-05-2010, 13:04:11
Looking at that list, Fergie's 11 titles is amazing. What's the most anyone's won in Italy?

Funko
27-05-2010, 13:05:32
Or the most cross league... Mourinho's already won 6 and is still very young in managerial terms.

Fistandantilus
27-05-2010, 13:38:31
Looking at that list, Fergie's 11 titles is amazing. What's the most anyone's won in Italy?

Assuming this (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allenatori_che_hanno_vinto_il_campionato_italiano) is up to date

Trapattoni: 7
Capello, Lippi: 5

11 is really a lot

Edit: Trapattoni is at 10 if you consider Munich, Benfica and Salzburg

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27-05-2010, 14:09:57
and Capello adds 2 in Mardid, in two one-season spells 10 years apart

I think Zenga won a few in Romania, Serbia and maybe somewhere else too

fer sure there must be some Hiddink or other globetrotter dutch coach having won in serveral countries too (i.e. Michels, Advocaat, Van Gaal, etc...)

Cruijff himself maybe?
did Rijkaard win elsewhere than in Barça?


Intersting how in England SAF got at ManU IIRC 24 yrs ago in '86, but began winning only when EPL got started, and won 11 out of 18.
Did somethin momentous happen at ManU right in 1992-93, 26 years after their last title, wrt the previous 6 Ferguson years? Could have it all been just Cantona?

Funko
27-05-2010, 15:01:24
They had been runners-up a couple of times. (you'll love this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions) link). I think it's a combination of things Liverpool's dominance was ending, Cantona added a touch of genius to an already strong squad.

Funko
27-05-2010, 15:03:26
Oh and back pass rule was introduced. Was reading an interview in sky sports mag with Leeds team who won in '92 and one of them was saying that the back pass rule meant that teams did better with defenders who could play the ball a bit, which they didn't have and ManU did.

novacane
27-05-2010, 20:38:08
It was the end of the legend that is Chris Whyte
http://www.footballchatter.com/forum/photopost/data/501/whyte1.jpg

Funko
28-05-2010, 07:45:34
:D Blast from the past.

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03-06-2010, 07:46:33
Trapattoni: 7
Capello, Lippi: 5

11 is really a lot

Edit: Trapattoni is at 10 if you consider Munich, Benfica and Salzburg

and Capello adds 2 in Mardid,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8718890.stm

As a club manager at AC Milan, Real Madrid, Roma and Juventus, Capello has won nine league titles as well as lifting the Champions League with Milan in 1994

LOL, BBC still count to boost Enlgand manager merits the two rigged-titles he won at Juvenuts which got stripped in 2006

King_Ghidra
03-06-2010, 18:49:12
They had been runners-up a couple of times. (you'll love this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions) link). I think it's a combination of things Liverpool's dominance was ending, Cantona added a touch of genius to an already strong squad.

And soon the CL started, which meant Man U got even bigger footballing and financial rewards for their domestic dominance and also began to make a lot more money globally as football started to exploit its revenue making capabilities, cementing them into one of the foremost global brand-things we know them as now

they also invested wisely in their stadium. after the taylor report forced everyone to abandon terraces, man u were one of the most aggressive in remodelling for the modern era. a quick glance at wiki tells me they jumped capacity from c. 44000 to c. 68000 between 1990-2000, and obviously now it is even bigger.

so yeah, good footballing reason why the dominance occurred, but also some extremely important off-field reasons why they were able to do so well at maintaining that competitiveness

Funko
04-06-2010, 07:47:58
It's my perception that they also led the way in things like sponsorship, commercial rights and merchandising which helped financially and with building the brand to attract players.

Plus their youth system has been incredibly successful, even after the golden generation they've been bringing first team players through regularly.

Funko
05-04-2011, 11:26:50
Astonishing statistic:

Mourinho lost his first home league match for nine years.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/apr/04/cristiano-ronaldo-real-madrid-tottenham

MOBIUS
05-04-2011, 12:21:32
Holy crap! :eek:

Fistandantilus
05-04-2011, 13:04:31
Why didn't you link this one? :p
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/apr/04/jose-mourinho-madrid-la-liga

Funko
05-04-2011, 13:20:38
Hadn't seen that one. :lol:

maroule
06-04-2011, 09:08:27
well, the demolition of Spurs will at least calm the Real fans... after all he was hired mainly for the CL...

obviously, it could still turn out to be a nightmare in waiting for José, as they'll probably play Barça next round...