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Funko
24-05-2010, 11:58:02
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/24/jose-mourinho-real-madrid

Slightly surprised by this.

Made me think though, has anyone won 3 leagues if you include France and Germany?

King_Ghidra
24-05-2010, 12:03:01
off the top of my head i can't think of any.

Funko
24-05-2010, 12:07:08
Funny how it goes. Spend all morning thinking and then post it and immediately think of one.

Thierry Henry
Monaco: Ligue 1: 1996–97
Arsenal: FA Premier League: 2001–02, 2003–04
Barcelona: La Liga: 2008–09, 2009–10

Funko
24-05-2010, 12:09:15
Arjen Robben

Chelsea, Madrid, Bayern. + Erdedivision with PSV

5 titles in 7 years!

maroule
24-05-2010, 12:09:33
deschamps; france (marseilles) and Italy for sure (Juventus) possibly UK? (chelsea?)

probably Papin (Marseilles, Milan, Bayern)

Funko
24-05-2010, 12:14:37
Deschamps didn't win it at Chelsea. And surprisingly Papin didn't win it at Bayern either.

Funko
24-05-2010, 12:19:24
I started off looking at coaches though, that's much more difficult.

King_Ghidra
24-05-2010, 12:51:07
i must admit i was only thinking of coaches. i really can't think of any.

Back!
24-05-2010, 13:09:41
off the top I can only report these well-known CL stats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_records_and _statistics

- Seedorf is the only player who won CL with 3 different teams (Ajax, Real, Milan)

- no coach won CL with 3 different clubs: Mourinho now joined Happel and Hitzfeld at 2

Maybe this is his goal too: to be the first to win CL as a coach with 3 different clubs.
(this could happen regardless of the above 3 top domestic leagues record)

Eto'o could become the first player to score in 3 different CL finals (regardless playing for the same or different clubs), but despite winning he failed to do so
his wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Eto%27o reports he became last year only the 2nd player to ever score in two separate CL finals. Who was the first?

Trapattoni, Cruijff, Ancelotti (and Guardiola? off the top, amongst others) won it both as players as well as coach/manager
Rijkaard was the only one to do it with 3 different clubs, (Ajax and Milan as a player, Barça as a manager)


Back to top domestic leagues topic:

Trapattoni won 3 different leagues:
Italy (several times, with 2 different clubs: Juventus and Inter)
Germany, with Bayern
Portgual, with Benfica (IIRC bringing them back the title after a long dry spell)

I recall he also had a couple seasons in Salzburg, but can't remember his position: manager, director fof fottoball or whatever.
IIRC he worked there alognside Lothar Matthaus (was he coach or just Trapattoni assistant?), but then the german was sacked and I think Trapattoni remained to lead the team alone, probably to a league title too

If you might include Germany in top leagues, probably Portugal won't :D
Austria would be the 4th

Funko
24-05-2010, 13:18:03
Must be Raul?

Back!
24-05-2010, 13:25:15
yup

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%BAl_Gonz%C3%A1lez

He was also the first player to score in two Champions League finals, netting in the finals of both 2000 vs. Valencia in Paris, and 2002 vs. Bayer Leverkusen in Glasgow. Samuel Eto'o later accomplished this feat, scoring in the 2006 final against Arsenal and in 2009 against Manchester United.

Funko
24-05-2010, 13:26:13
That reminds me of Steve Macmanaman scoring in the first final.

Fistandantilus
24-05-2010, 13:31:25
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/24/jose-mourinho-real-madrid

Slightly surprised by this.


Uhm, I'm not. I mean, is there anyone besides Mourinho who made that his target? I'm sure there would be a lot of caoch/players who could managed that if they actively tried to.

Funko
24-05-2010, 13:34:13
Yes, I'm much more surprised by the player bit than the coach bit.

Back!
24-05-2010, 16:56:50
coach/manager

England: http://www.leaguemanagers.com/manager/winners.html
also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_First_Division_and_Premier_League_winning_ managers

Italy: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allenatori_che_hanno_vinto_il_campionato_italiano
(couldn't find it in english)

Spain: couldn't find it at all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Liga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_Spain#Coaches (apps only)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_football_champions (clubs only)
http://www.soccer-spain.com/ssdocs/history/leaguerecord.html (clubs only)
http://www.soccerholics.com/spanish_primera_liga_winners.aspx (clubs only)
http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/links.html tried them all
http://www.rsssf.com/tabless/spanchamp.html no managers info

best bid: start with the current season
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_La_Liga
and backtrack year by year

Back!
24-05-2010, 17:08:02
anyway, given that only Ancelotti and Mourinho have won both in England and Italy, and neither ever coached in Spain....

Ranieri coached in all 3 leagues, but I guess he has the record of finishing as runner-up in all 3
:lol:

Funko
25-05-2010, 07:42:06
:D

Back!
28-05-2010, 07:49:45
has anyone won 3 leagues if you include France and Germany?

I'm sure there would be a lot of caoch/players who could managed that if they actively tried to.

Yes, I'm much more surprised by the player bit than the coach bit.

Two more names:

Claude Makelele
French League with Nantes
Liga with Real
EPL with Chelsea

Gabriel Heinze
Manchester United 2007
Real Madrid 2008
Marseille 2010

(didn't find'em myself, got the info from another forum)

so far we have
3 Enlgand-Spain-France
1 Enlgand-Spain-Germany

Hmm.... none who won one in Italy
Let's see ...I'll have to check about Desailly
:D

Back!
28-05-2010, 07:58:16
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Desailly

Nope.

He only won the league in Italy (twice)
In France he won CL with OM (the one that got later stripped?)
At Chelsea he only won Charity Shield

(he won the league in.... Qatar! :lol: )

Funko
28-05-2010, 08:19:03
Not sure that one counts. :D