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Vincent
23-04-2010, 20:34:59
No? But you do!

zmama
23-04-2010, 21:02:44
all the time

Greg W
24-04-2010, 01:45:23
Perhaps a little too much information there... :nervous:

devilmunchkin
26-04-2010, 10:10:26
Was going to say the same thing as zmama.. and then add "and well!"

Greg W
26-04-2010, 10:27:39
Righto, definitely too much information there. :nervous:

Back!
26-04-2010, 15:59:26
No? But you do!

you do tell, or you do suck?

don't ask, don't tell, don't suck

Back!
26-04-2010, 16:00:48
BTW:

you you suck!

:D

MDA
26-04-2010, 16:20:36
right back at you

Japher
26-04-2010, 16:27:58
who is "they"

devilmunchkin
27-04-2010, 09:43:56
paiktis and his harem

paiktis
27-04-2010, 15:18:02
I mean absolutely no offence to vincent whom I like, but when the shit hits the fan it's easier to give sawy.
Fine, I'll go down the favorite anglosaxon pig argument.

(but can you really comprehend it?)

The matter is one:

markets have (for a long time) preceded any form of institutional legitimaty(=democracy).

Neoliberalism rules.

But what are you going to do? Nuke UK/USA?

When we were talking about democracy (france) we meant exactly that.

Anyway, no matter the anglosaxon i'll blow your eurozone in (with happy bush liberating CDS apart iraq) germany has gotten too cocky now that it is united.

I remember a drunken high minister of thatcher telling us how germany must be kept on a leash etc etc and smiling through rotten teeth.
I guess he was right. If germany wants to reduce the eurozone to 2-3 countries and be liberated from extra burdens, then fine.

But we will still have thermonuclear globar war.
Which I think is warranted.

paiktis
27-04-2010, 15:33:53
of course, we could also stop borrowing for any sort of crap too.
but the thing is you're playing right into aglosaxon fearmongering. Forget about them. They are europe's first cousins. By wanting to cut down on the eurozone to free yourselves into eastern markets you are very very VERY shortsighted.
Then again, I think the commission has nothing to offer anymore. There was a vision when delors was president when social europe was an ideal.
But now there is nothing. It is an entombment of the "european dream". since when can bureocrats and eurocrats replace politicians with every meaning of the word. never.
So let's see.
maybe a reversal to national currencies won't play so badly.

zmama
27-04-2010, 15:36:40
No? But you do!

:gasmaske_eek:

paiktis
27-04-2010, 15:50:21
fine. this could all be because of erotic dissilutionment, but there are some good thurhs in there if you can bypass the direct attack on your skin.

paiktis
27-04-2010, 16:24:02
Anyway i will tell some more.
I dont believe that merkel's reluctance to sort this thing out is because of pre-electional appetites.
I believe that germany will refuse help even in 2011.
If greece surrenders itself to the blackmailing IMF then we could have a row down of severe cutting of quality of life. greeks are crazy. they will burn this country to the ground if this thing happens.
greece will be obliged to get out of the eurozonbe (since there is no mechanism obliging it to do so) and then the eurozone will come apart like a pull over when you pull a string.
eurozone will be reduced to three or four founding members. and that is the end of the european union.

i hope i will be proven incorrect. but there is no way greece will accept a sever cut down on its quality of life. (1 world war, 2 world war, civil war, dictatoriship, hell even stalin said greeks are crazy)

paiktis
27-04-2010, 17:17:06
btw i got to admire how france is staying on the sidelines here.
waiting to see what happens.
afine balancebetween pushing greece to its limits and having germany not destroying the eurozonw. but the spreads are rising for portugal too and even italy.
states saved banks and banks are ruining nations.

what can i say. if france manages to sort this thing out again then chapeau.

un;ess there's a reversal of roles in the parisberlin axis and it is now berlin-paris.
we wll find out in the next 2 years.

paiktis
27-04-2010, 17:19:49
and england as far as i can see does nothhing right?
they'll just kick ass if war erupts.
i suppose it's a way of amicable detachment

paiktis
27-04-2010, 17:55:42
and standard & poor's reduced greek debt to junk. it was the same international houses of whoredom who plunged the west into the CDS crises.

ok i have nothing to do than waiting fot the pizza but i will just say i was watching some pakistanians trying to wash some windshields and they were living among us.

IF the anglosaxon/american wet dream to tear down the eurozone succeeds, it;s notbecause of them but because ot this extraordinary paranoid rigidity of the stability pact.

that's all. I'm eating my pizza and moving to palestine or isreal.


the french nation state has a lot more water before it gives way. maybe i'll move to england but i can't the house sell into pounds will destroy me.


congrats germany. might of a giant, mind of a child

paiktis
27-04-2010, 18:15:30
let me just say what would have happens if we had a real socialist PM.

(like andreas papandreou).


_ fuck you. we leave eurozone.


that's it.


all rest woukdl have sorted itself out,

Lurker
27-04-2010, 19:14:22
I don't see why you are letting the dutch off so lightly.

paiktis
27-04-2010, 19:18:28
there's nothing to say about the dutch. they'd all move to mars if it'd be better. (or at least that's what one of their immigrant intellectual intelligencia told me)
crap. holland felt as much as home as belgium. but i can't go there because i don't speak dutch.
i think they'd remain inside the balls cut off eurozone of the future, should such malformity be, before it is extinguished completely.

devilmunchkin
27-04-2010, 21:06:35
I am so confused now.

Asher
28-04-2010, 04:38:22
I've been told I suck well.

Drekkus
28-04-2010, 12:14:45
I don't see why you are letting the dutch off so lightly.

Everyone is afraid of the dutch. Everyone fears the Dutch!!!!11!

Dyl Ulenspiegel
28-04-2010, 12:40:48
paiktis' political views are as rational and clearcut as his lovelife.

Just to point to one thing, France: "afine balancebetween pushing greece to its limits and having germany not destroying the eurozonw".

You know the game of good cop - bad cop? Exactly.

Drekkus
28-04-2010, 12:42:56
Can greece even leave/be kicked out of the euro zone?

Fistandantilus
28-04-2010, 12:49:12
Only if they go ahead and nuke UK/USA as planned.

MDA
28-04-2010, 12:50:22
this is all very twilight zone

Back!
28-04-2010, 13:04:17
Nukusuk, is that a place in Iceland, in Greenland or in Lappland?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
28-04-2010, 13:23:19
Nope - GERMANY!

http://www.nuk.de/

mr_B
28-04-2010, 14:36:48
Was going to say the same thing as zmama.. and then add "and well!"

:lol:

paiktis
28-04-2010, 17:50:44
paiktis' political views are as rational and clearcut as his lovelife.

Just to point to one thing, France: "afine balancebetween pushing greece to its limits and having germany not destroying the eurozonw".

You know the game of good cop - bad cop? Exactly.

Let's just say I have lots of experience then.

I am the one who doesn't understand your point. Do you agree with that or you don't agree with that?

Dyl Ulenspiegel
28-04-2010, 18:25:39
I disagree with most of what you said above.

Germany is playing the bad cop, France will offer you a deal. The whole point is to give your government a chance to push the austerity measures through.

paiktis
28-04-2010, 18:54:19
A very different aprehencion of semantics. Greece is on the point of breaking. It is near impossible to have more austerity measures without widespread social unrest. And no government will risk that. Even not the cowards of today.
But I'll accept it for argument's sake.. and say it has no point anyway!
If the IMF enters, which it has, then there is no point in playing good cop bad cop the directives will (try to come) from there.
The eurozone has accepted foreign (american) intervention right into its soil.
I don't think Germany knows how to play bad cop. It's leading the eurozone into break up.
But we will be here and see it.
IMF will judge (what a disgusting concept) on the basis of laws that are not in effect. It can push for further market flexicurity, whereas it is already here! (because the laws for job preotection are not enforced)
Besides wherever it has been ivolved countries have seen unemployment double.
I see your point of view, disciplining a child, but it can very well lead to the break up of the eurozone if you don't watch it. Generally speaking.

Vincent
28-04-2010, 19:10:05
Germany is at war with Afghanistan. That's stupid. Being at war with Greece would be far more reasonable, because (a) logistics would be easier and (b) we've done it before. Once we seized Greece we'll concentrationcamp everyone and sell the contry to Turkey. They want to join the EU, OK, let them fix the aftermath. Problem solved!

paiktis
28-04-2010, 19:15:37
touchy touchy

Vincent
28-04-2010, 19:17:42
Things can be easy sometimes. I will miss Ouzo ...

paiktis
28-04-2010, 19:20:59
Don't worry there will be millions of turkish immigrants flooding you with imported.

Vincent
28-04-2010, 19:24:01
There ARE millions of turkish immigrants! We got Rostocker Kümmerl, it's not like Ouzo, but I can live with that. I will sacrifice Ouzo and Greece so the world can live on. Sad, but some kind of OKish

Vincent
28-04-2010, 19:25:25
http://www.usedomshop24.de/images/Rostocker_Lehment_Kuemmel_0-07l.jpg

Drekkus
28-04-2010, 19:25:34
Will someone please think of all the banks!!!!!1!

Vincent
28-04-2010, 19:26:11
That's my job, buddy!

paiktis
28-04-2010, 19:26:46
Yes well there will be tons more!
And you can't sacrifice Greece, just the eurozone.
But being smart never was your forte!

Drekkus
28-04-2010, 19:26:48
Buddy Bob Bailout!

paiktis
28-04-2010, 19:27:19
Enough with the incest. This ouzo looks german ffs!

Vincent
28-04-2010, 19:28:46
Since when is being smart a cool thing to be?

paiktis
28-04-2010, 19:29:28
You're the coolest!!!

Drekkus
28-04-2010, 19:34:32
Kuhl

Dyl Ulenspiegel
28-04-2010, 19:37:41
ouzo=raki

Dyl Ulenspiegel
28-04-2010, 19:40:57
It is near impossible to have more austerity measures without widespread social unrest. And no government will risk that.

Well...
You can have a generous government with high taxes.
Or a thrifty government with low taxes.
You want a lot of government spending with low taxes - that will not work. Never has, never will. Inside the eurozone, outside the eurozone, or on Mars.

You will get austerity either way.

The only question is that of economic adjustment: deflation within the eurozone, devaluation outside.

Vincent
28-04-2010, 19:41:17
bifteki=fleischpflanzerl

Dyl Ulenspiegel
28-04-2010, 19:50:43
Jo mei...

paiktis
28-04-2010, 19:52:37
Well...
You can have a generous government with high taxes.
Or a thrifty government with low taxes.
You want a lot of government spending with low taxes - that will not work. Never has, never will. Inside the eurozone, outside the eurozone, or on Mars.

You will get austerity either way.

The only question is that of economic adjustment: deflation within the eurozone, devaluation outside.

It isn't the low taxes, it is the tax evasion. And it is not the big gov it's the pathetic services it provides.
Devaluation outside, yes why not, worked before. But there will not be a eurozone anymore. Is there a reason to exist?

Lurker
28-04-2010, 19:52:52
You will get austerity either way.


Party pooper.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
28-04-2010, 19:55:54
Tax evasion or low rates, both provide for low tax revenue.

"And it is not the big gov it's the pathetic services it provides."

You have an overgenerous pension system, a bloated public sector, and low efficiency. That makes your government big, even if it does little of use.

paiktis
28-04-2010, 19:55:57
A far less austerity when outside.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
28-04-2010, 19:56:14
Party pooper.

1w9

Dyl Ulenspiegel
28-04-2010, 19:56:41
A far less austerity when outside.

wishful thinking

Lurker
28-04-2010, 19:58:52
1w9

The threads are morphing.

paiktis
28-04-2010, 19:59:24
Tax evasion or low rates, both provide for low tax revenue.

"And it is not the big gov it's the pathetic services it provides."

You have an overgenerous pension system, a bloated public sector, and low efficiency. That makes your government big, even if it does little of use.

How can it be overgenerous when there are people taking pensions of 600 euros??! It is under generous. You are just watching age retirement.
For the other points I agree but we are not the only country like this, so what? Does that warranty junk bond rating? Come on!

paiktis
28-04-2010, 20:00:11
wishful thinking

Just for five years or so, assuming ther will be a eurozone to come back into.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
28-04-2010, 20:04:18
"You are just watching age retirement."

Early retirement is a massive costpusher. Getting 600 € for 25 years is as generous as 1000 € for 15 years (not interest adjusted).

paiktis
28-04-2010, 20:07:32
600 euros can be the retirement pay for a guy working 30 or even 35 years. Most retirement sums are degrading. You can counter-attack with the high % of self owned houses and appartments if you want but not with retirement pay.

paiktis
28-04-2010, 22:08:51
I will just add what I think is terribly wrong with greece and be done with it.

The house my grandmother gave me with great austerity on her part, right I got it.
Had some people living in it.

Most of the people living in that building are not greeks but there are some greeks who think they are above the rules.


There was a suspicion that the wtaer pipes broke.

The greek living under me came up and said to check it out.

I get a plummer I check it out. He said maybe it is maybe it is not. I said to the guy living underneath, fine so I fix it or not?

He said no, don't fix it.

A year later he calls me furious and says that the leakage it is certaintly from my rented appartment.

I say fine, so i get the plummer and I fix it. (paying through my teeth for it but what can you do).

Then this miserable character starts running after me telling me I have to pay him 3000 euros or his wife will bring me to court.

I say no you'll just get my balls (or my 3s as is the usual expression).

he says petrified well tell that to my wife (who is hysterical).

and i say no, you married her you tell her.

ever since they dont talk to me but they cant do anything either.


they thought that because i was a journalist i made more money than them, which was not the case.

i agree intimidation doesnt work.