View Full Version : Leadership Debates - The formats I would prefer to see

15-04-2010, 09:07:09
1. WWE

This debate format is based on the world of WWE. Each leader in turn is allowed to come out in turn, to their chosen entrance music and shout out a formal challenge to the other parties, and state why they are the best. Order to be chosen by drawing of lots before the event.

Each leader is allowed to choose one representative to 'assist' them from outside the ring. Pretty sure these will be John 'Bruiser' Prescott, Vince 'Through the Table' Cable and Ann Widdecombe.

Then, all three leaders are allowed to enter the ring, which I'm sure will have been checked very carefully beforehand to ensure there are plenty of steel chairs and other banned items secreted under it.

Rules are standard WWE, ie. once the referee (David Dimbleby) has been KOed anything goes.

15-04-2010, 11:43:46
It's a good idea, but I'm still leaning toward a cortosis cage match with lightsabers. :nerd:

15-04-2010, 11:47:24
how about a Multiplayer Civ marathon. Winner gets the keys to #10.

Turn 1. Clegg moans about his terrible starting position...

15-04-2010, 11:48:23
I was thinking something along the lines of the Salem witch trials. The leaders should be made to touch people with afflictions and see what the afflicted's reaction is. Any leader who doesn't answer a question directly is to be crushed by heavy rocks.

15-04-2010, 11:50:05
Ooh, someone's getting eaten by bears for refusing to adopt druidism.

15-04-2010, 11:50:56
You could stay very sober playing a drinking game where you had to drink every time one of them gave a straight answer.

15-04-2010, 14:06:52
i have no idea what you are on about

15-04-2010, 14:10:43
Situation normal.

16-04-2010, 08:11:02
Clegg totally rinsed it.

Huge win for him. I expected Cameron to be good but he came across as petulant. Brown did better than I expected, but I expected a car crash. Him and Clegg looked like leaders more than Cameron.

Dyl Ulenspiegel
16-04-2010, 09:19:31
They didn't follow the CG hardcore challange rules?

16-04-2010, 11:36:09
Sadly not.

16-04-2010, 12:44:16
I think the last WWE event I watched was in 1998.

16-04-2010, 12:50:02
Clegg totally rinsed it.

Huge win for him. I expected Cameron to be good but he came across as petulant.

i didn't see it quite so markedly in his favour as you (and apparently much of the country) do. i think he has an easy time of it scoring points by simply saying stop bickering you two. but i must admit i was impressed by his continued and hilarious rebuffing of brown's overtures for some kind of common ground

Brown did better than I expected, but I expected a car crash. Him and Clegg looked like leaders more than Cameron.

again not sure about that. clegg was more confident and impressive than i have seen him before, but i think he really lacks gravitas. he looks effective, sensible and competent rather than having the raw inspirational power of a leader (of course that's not a bad thing by any means).

I think cameron has gravitas. he seems like a uniter to me and as the first credible tory leader in donkeys' years he has proven he's got the right stuff on some level. he seemed to be making a point of adopting a concilliatory and almost apologetic tone at times, over mp's conduct, admitting not all labour policies were bad, etc. this might just have been toadying, it's hard to know, but perhaps it was designed to pitch him as someone people can work with in a hung parliament scenario.

I had forgotten until today about the physical arrangement of the leaders being influenced by Brown's partial sightedness, but for me it was quite interesting to see brown sidelined, in a sense. I thought he did well against cameron, but he suffered by his attempts to cosy up to clegg and thus not giving clegg a hard time.

Clearly though, clegg has emerged as a serious contender to pitch the lib dems in the general vote and i suspect in the next two debates he might be taken more seriously in the tory and labour preparation in order to avoid giving him the cheap option of shrugging as they bicker.

(by the way the above should be considered in the context of me playing a frustrating and distracting game of blood bowl with beta1 as i watched :D)

16-04-2010, 14:37:46
It's all relative, no-one really landed any killer blows or fell on their sword. It's hyperbole from me really, Clegg edged it and gained the most but he had the most to gain. Cameron was always going to struggle going in as the favourite.

16-04-2010, 15:04:39
This is brilliant:


16-04-2010, 15:16:10

Lazarus and the Gimp
16-04-2010, 15:27:09
Cameron lost the plot towards the end. He repeated that the Tories would drop the proposed NI rise, and with the money saved (huh?) invest in cancer drugs for the NHS.

How does that work?

16-04-2010, 15:35:15
Most damning for me were his examples of where this 6bn in waste could be found from. A couple of examples of what he considered stupid waste* made for nice stories but were tiny amounts of money.

*I think one was for the revamp of the offices of health service including contemplation rooms etc? I actually thought that was ok... if we want to attract the best people to run our public services we have to compete with the private sector.

Oh and one was 1bn on Civil Service credit cards. Exactly the same point as above. 1bn in credit cards (presumably for expenses) between a workforce of half a million is nothing. Taking them away would probably just cause more beaurocracy in the civil service expenses.

16-04-2010, 15:36:26
OK that is actually 2000 each. Which is quite a lot. But still, perks to attract good people.

16-04-2010, 16:05:39
Moderately interesting view from across the pond, spoilt slightly by the reporter's self confessed ignorance on some of the issues.


16-04-2010, 16:08:24
And a much better one from the NY Times.


16-04-2010, 18:03:35
2 men enter... 1 man leave!

17-04-2010, 09:03:59
Well I like Nick Clegg, but I like David Cameron...

Which is better, Theres only one way to find out!!!!


17-04-2010, 10:35:55
Cameron's assertion he will be banging more people up and for longer is clearly going to cost a lot of money too. I hope they factored that into their budget.

17-04-2010, 10:37:59
Cameron's assertion he will be banging more people

I felt your post suddenly changed direction after this point.

Lazarus and the Gimp
17-04-2010, 11:00:17
I really struggle with Cameron. I've got this knee-jerk compulsion to shout "CUNT!" whenever I see his face, and that's awkward with kids around.

Major, Hague and Duncan Smith never had that effect on me. Howard and Thatcher did, but that's entirely rational.

17-04-2010, 11:05:52
This is about as vague and biased hearsay as you can get but...

A friend's ex girlfriend used to date Cameron's best man, and she said they were all cunts.

17-04-2010, 11:06:09
of the rah rah posh and obnoxious kind.

Lazarus and the Gimp
17-04-2010, 15:30:41
You just know he spent most of his formative and early adult years wearing rugby shirts and doing lots of chortling, before landing some cushy job via a chum or two. It's a set of life experiences so far removed from my own that he might as well be a different species.

Immortal Wombat
17-04-2010, 18:18:50
This is about as vague and biased hearsay as you can get but...

A friend's ex girlfriend used to date Cameron's best man, and she said they were all cunts.

It's gonna be even better when I retell it, prefixed by "this guy I know from the internet said..."

18-04-2010, 10:37:59

19-04-2010, 09:29:30
I am currently in this crazy dream world where the polls have the Lib Dems in first place.

19-04-2010, 10:08:01
Quite like this, who Dave's met this week.


19-04-2010, 10:57:32
before landing some cushy job via a chum or two

well according to wiki he went straight into politics, so i suppose that tallies

20-04-2010, 06:51:34