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25-03-2010, 13:01:22
last 7 to go

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/fixtures/default.stm

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69 68 67
MD ManU Chelsea Arsenal
32 @ Bolt. v Villa @ B'ham
33 v Chel. @ ManU v Wolves
34 @ Rover v Bolt. @ Spurs
35 @ City @ Spurs @ Wigan
36 v Spurs v Stoke v City
37 @ Sund. @ Lpool @ Rovers
38 v Stoke v Wigan v Fulham

4th to CL qualifiers, 5th & 6th to EL, and probably 7th too
(depending on FA Cup semis @Wembley Apr 10-11th)

55 53 51 51 48 44
MD Spurs City Villa Livpool Everton B'ham
32 v Pomp v Wigan @ Chels v Sund. @ Wolvs v Arsenal
33 @ Sund. @ Burn @ Boltn @ B'ham v W.Ham v Liv'pool
34 v Arsen v B'ham v Evert v Fulhm @ Villa @ City
35 v Chels v ManU @ Pomp v W.Ham @ Rover v Hull
28 - - @ Hull - - -
36 @ ManU @ Arsen v B'ham @ Burn v Fulhm @ Villa
37 v Bolt. v Villa @ City v Chels @ Stoke v Burnley
29 @ City v Spurs - - - -
38 @ Burn @ W.Ham v Rover @ Hull v Pomp @ Bolton

I listed Birmingham City too, first matches will cut them off definitely, but they could also beat and catch up on those ahead
on may 5th right before last matchday, ManCity v Tottenham (postponed from 29th) could be decisive for CL access

RELEGATION
2 to go down, besides Portsmouth

32 31 31 27 24 24
MD Bolton Wolves Wigan W.Ham Hull Burnley
32 v ManU v Evert @ City v Stoke v Fulhm v Rovers
33 v Villa @ Arsen @ Fulhm @ Evert @ Stoke v City
34 @ Chels v Stoke v Pomp v Sund. v Burn @ Hull
35 @ Stoke @ Fulhm v Arsen @ Lpool @ B'ham @ Sunder.
28 - - - - v Villa -
36 v Pomp @ Rover @ W.Ham v Wigan v Sund. v Liv'pool
37 @ Spurs @ Pomp v Hull @ Fulhm @ Wigan @ B'ham
38 v B'ham v Sund. @ Chels v City @ Lpool v Spurs

Hull have one more to play (albeit to Villa)
Stoke and Sunderland now at 36 & 35 could get sucked in too, they play next three face-to-face either vs those on their heels or vs top clubs

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25-03-2010, 14:03:59
this season IIRC it's the first year in a long time that ALL the main EU domestic league tables look rather close and promising to be fought till the end for the title

in Spain Real & Barça are head to head (on eqaual points unless Madrid slips tonite at Getafe)

in Germany they have 3 teams in 3 points

in France Bordeaux is abreast with surprising Montpellier, and Auxerre just one behind. OM is 3 behind with one more match to play (like Bordeaux)
Lille and Lyon lost last match @ Bordeaux & OM respectively, and they're now 5 behind, still hoping to get back in with 9 to go

in Italy, Inter Milan is playing cat and mouse letting poor opposition catch up to 1 point behind, only to spurt ahead again. This Saturday the result of Roma-Inter could yield 3 teams in one point, as well as a decisive 7 point lead (AC "should" beat relegation-escaping Lazio, but they're so poor...)

in Eredivisie PSV just failed to make the table closer, letting leader Twente equalise in final minutes in Eindhoven to retain their 5 points lead, while Ajax closed in at 4 points

if you also want to consider Portugal, Porto is distant 3rd, but this year they have Braga to contend the title to Benfica. The northerners are 3 behind with 7 to go

Fistandantilus
25-03-2010, 17:37:08
Inter Milan is playing cat and mouse letting poor opposition catch up to 1 point behind, only to spurt ahead again.


:lol:

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30-03-2010, 07:35:21
in Italy, ... This Saturday the result of Roma-Inter could yield 3 teams in one point, as well as a decisive 7 point lead (AC "should" beat relegation-escaping Lazio, but they're so poor...)

indeed, Roma DID close in at -1, but AC ARE so poor that they didn't beat Lazio

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30-03-2010, 07:52:03
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72 71 68
MD ManU Chelsea Arsenal
33 v Chels @ ManU v Wolvs
34 @ Rover v Boltn @ Spurs
35 @ City @ Spurs @ Wigan
36 v Spurs v Stoke v City
37 @ Sund. @ Lpool @ Rover
38 v Stoke v Wigan v Fulhm

ManU-Chelsea saturday at lunchtime!


4th to CL qualifiers, 5th & 6th to EL, and probably 7th too

58 56 54 51 49 45
MD Spurs City L'pool Villa Everton B'ham
33 @ Sund. @ Burnl @ B'ham @ Boltn v W.Ham v Lpool
34 v Arsen v B'ham v Fulhm v Evert @ Villa @ City
35 v Chels v ManU v W.Ham @ Pomp. @ Rover v Hull
28 - - - @ Hull - -
36 @ ManU @ Arsen @ Burnl v B'ham v Fulhm @ Villa
37 v Boltn v Villa v Chels @ City @ Stoke v Burnl
29 @ City v Spurs - - - -
38 @ Burnl @ W.Ham @ Hull v Rover v Pomp. @ Boltn

Birmingham hosting Liverpool and trying to hang on for 7th


RELEGATION

32 32 31 27 27 24
MD Wolves Bolton Wigan W.Ham Hull Burnley
33 @ Arsen v Villa @ Fulhm @ Evert @ Stoke v City
34 v Stoke @ Chels v Pomp. v Sund. v Burnl @ Hull
35 @ Fulhm @ Stoke v Arsen @ Lpool @ B'ham @ Sund.
28 v Villa
36 @ Rover v Pomp. @ W.Ham v Wigan v Sund. v Lpool
37 @ Pomp. @ Spurs v Hull @ Fulhm @ Wigan @ B'ham
38 v Sund. v B'ham @ Chels v City @ Lpool v Spurs


will Hammers beat the drop?
looks like they're gonna get nailed down

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30-03-2010, 08:11:56
Spain: both struggled a bit, but the head-to-head goes on
Germany: Schalke won at Leverkusen leaving them at -5, and overtook by 2 Bayern (who lost at home to Stuttgart)
Italy: told above - Rome -1, AC -3
France: Bordeaux and OM postponed their matches, but co-leader Montpellier lost @ Lille allowing them to get back in. Now 6 teams in 3 points, but 1st and 6th one have 2 matches each to catch up
Holland:all won, Twente, Ajax -4, PSV -5
Portugal: Benfica beat Braga pushing them at -6, that's pretty much decided with 6 to go

Greg W
03-04-2010, 12:49:54
Well, 1st half Man U v Chelsea, ManU have been terrible! Totally dominated by Chelsea so far. At this rate, Chelsea will waltz this in. Let's see if SAF puts a rocket up the united boys, cos they need one.

In general terms, I think this match has highlighted somewhat that United's midfield is in need of a few changes. Looking at the two midfields, I think I'd choose the Chelsea player over the United player in every case, witht he possible exception of Mikel - and that's only possible...
Joe Cole v Valencia (may change one day)
Malouda v Giggs (cos Giggs is ageing)
Lampard v Scholes
Mikel v Fletcher
Deco v Park

Fistandantilus
03-04-2010, 19:12:33
I'd take Fletcher over Mikel any day of the week.

Btw, if ManU is trying to field a team with an average age higher than that of AC Milan I think they succeded. Why didn't Carrick play btw?

Greg W
04-04-2010, 07:06:51
Not sure about Carrick. I'm kinda ambivalent about Fletcher. He's just not all that good IMHO.

Oh and much better 2nd half, though still somewhat ordinary. Nobody for United really stood up and grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck.

Funko
05-04-2010, 09:21:30
Fletcher used to be shit but last few seasons he's really been playing very well. A different kind of player to Mikel though.

MOBIUS
05-04-2010, 10:00:03
West Ham secured a difficult point at Everton, coming from behind twice. It was nice to see some fighting spirit for a change, though losing Parker to suspension for 2 games is a massive blow!

Greg W
05-04-2010, 15:41:15
Fletcher used to be shit but last few seasons he's really been playing very well. A different kind of player to Mikel though.I think my problem with him is that sometimes you just don't know he's there.

King_Ghidra
05-04-2010, 15:56:23
that's often true of that position when it's played well

they spotlighted scott parker's work in defensive midfield for west ham after yesterday's game and it was incredible how significant and effective he was just with his positional work, closing down and tackling, but ordinarily you wouldn't see this at all on the highlight reels.

MOBIUS
06-04-2010, 09:38:12
Which is why I'm bricking it that Parker has been suspended for two games - he's one of the few players on the team that plays with 100% every game.

This season sort of reminds me of the season we went down, when the team spent 3/4 of the season thinking they were too good to go down and only pulled their fingers out when staying up was out of their hands - like it is now with Hull only a point behind with a game in hand...

Greg W
11-04-2010, 16:12:03
Barring something bizarre, I'd say that today has screwed Man U's chances of winning the title as well as Liverpool's of making 4th spot.

And with the Hammers winning, tougher now for Burnley or Stoke to avoid relegation.

King_Ghidra
11-04-2010, 17:50:39
you mean Hull not stoke, but i quite agree in all cases. the only thing man city have against them for the 4th spot is their horrible run in. they have man u, arsenal, spurs and villa, so two direct rivals for 4th and two title chasers. otherwise they would be a shoo-in.

Fistandantilus
11-04-2010, 18:14:10
Well Tottenham have Arsenal, Chelsea, ManU... and they even have to go to City so it's not exactly easier.. expecially if they display the amazing form which saw them loseagainst Portsmouth :(


Go Spurs!

Lazarus and the Gimp
11-04-2010, 18:22:44
City certainly look like the form team. With 14 goals in 3 matches, I think Man U aren't looking forward to that derby.

Greg W
12-04-2010, 02:32:43
you mean Hull not stoke:o

Greg W
12-04-2010, 03:04:52
Villa have the easiest run in, playing only Man City amongst their fellow contenders. If they win at Everton, they're 5 behind City after the same number of matches as City. If City slip up it could prove interesting. Though getting something out of the match away at City will prove tough and could be the match they need to win if they're going to catch them.

If City can get something out of the ManU and Arsenal matches though, I'd say they'd be almost a shoe in. Tottenham just have too tough a run in, IMHO, needing to get points out of Chelsea and the Manchesters.

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12-04-2010, 08:01:10
Glad to see this thread took off while I was AWOL

Well Tottenham have ....the amazing form which saw them loseagainst Portsmouth :( Go Spurs!

5th & 6th to EL, and probably 7th too
(depending on FA Cup semis @Wembley Apr 10-11th)

incredibly, with Chelsea-Portsmouth as FA Cup Final (on May 15th), the Europa League spot will go to now officially relegated Portsmouth (even as runners-up)
Thus, Spurs will not free a berth for the 7th ranked team
Spurs and Villa both have 2 games in hand, I'll wait at least their wednesday ones to repost the table

Villa ... If they win at Everton...
Villans are hosting Everton

the Europe battle is now for 6th spot, and Toffees would be practically out of contention too if they don't win at Villa Park

Funko
12-04-2010, 08:13:17
I think Portsmouth don't get the European spot because they went into administration this season, which makes them ineligible. So 7th place should get it instead. Which would mean that potentially it didn't matter that Spurs lost.

Funko
12-04-2010, 08:14:43
Linky: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8558580.stm

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12-04-2010, 08:25:45
I couldn't resist to a partial update

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74 73 71
MD Chelsea ManU Arsenal
34 v Boltn - @ Spurs
35 @ Spurs @ City @ Wigan
36 v Stoke v Spurs v City
37 @ Lpool @ Sund. @ Rover
38 v Wigan v Stoke v Fulhm




4th to CL qualifiers, 5th & 6th to EL (along with Pompey from FA Cup)
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EDIT: (X-post)
and 7th to EL

62 58 56 54 50
MD City Spurs L'pool Villa Everton
34 - v Arsen - v Evert @ Villa
35 v ManU v Chels v W.Ham @ Pomp. @ Rover
28 - - - @ Hull -
36 @ Arsen @ ManU @ Burnl v B'ham v Fulhm
37 v Villa v Boltn v Chels @ City @ Stoke
29 v Spurs @ City - - -
38 @ W.Ham @ Burnl @ Hull v Rover v Pomp.




RELEGATION

33 32 31 31 27 27
MD Wolves Bolton Wigan W.Ham Hull Burnley
34 - @ Chels v Pomp. - - -
35 @ Fulhm @ Stoke v Arsen @ Lpool @ B'ham @ Sund.
28 - - - - v Villa -
36 @ Rover v Pomp. @ W.Ham v Wigan v Sund. v Lpool
37 @ Pomp. @ Spurs v Hull @ Fulhm @ Wigan @ B'ham
38 v Sund. v B'ham @ Chels v City @ Lpool v Spurs

as Greg said, rather than rekindling their own hopes, the Clarets have burned down and wrecked Hull's ones

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12-04-2010, 08:39:56
So 7th place should get it instead. Which would mean that potentially it didn't matter that Spurs lost.

Linky: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8558580.stm

Thanx, I forgot.

Actually, it does "potentially" make a great difference.

with Spurs in the final, had they even got steamrolled in their tough run-in (top 3 to come) and plunged to 8th place, they'd have retained their ticket to europe

This way, with FA Cup finalists either already qualified or ineligible, should eventually a club overtake Spurs for 7th place they'd snatch the berth from them
(what you see is what you get)
:)

Fistandantilus
14-04-2010, 20:57:07
Spurs :beer: great derby

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15-04-2010, 08:02:19
yup, they shorn gunners hopes to climb in 2nd place
now Chelsea is 4 pts clear in the race title
77 73 71
MD Chelsea ManU Arsenal
35 @ Spurs @ City @ Wigan
36 v Stoke v Spurs v City
37 @ Lpool @ Sund. @ Rover
38 v Wigan v Stoke v Fulhm


and kept 4th place race alive too
62 61 56 55 51
MD City Spurs Livpool Villa Everton
35 v ManU v Chels v W.Ham @ Pomp. @ Rover
28 - - - @ Hull -
36 @ Arsen @ ManU @ Burnl v B'ham v Fulhm
37 v Villa v Boltn v Chels @ City @ Stoke
29 v Spurs @ City - - -
38 @ W.Ham @ Burnl @ Hull v Rover v Pomp.

achievement failed by toffees fir 7th place, who remain 4 points behind Villa


33 32 32 31 27 27
MD Wolves Bolton Wigan W.Ham Hull Burnley
35 @ Fulhm @ Stoke v Arsen @ Lpool @ B'ham @ Sund.
28 - - - - v Villa -
36 @ Rover v Pomp. @ W.Ham v Wigan v Sund. v Lpool
37 @ Pomp. @ Spurs v Hull @ Fulhm @ Wigan @ B'ham
38 v Sund. v B'ham @ Chels v City @ Lpool v Spurs


somehow now relegation looks like it's gonna get resolved before last matchday

Funko
15-04-2010, 08:26:29
What a goal.

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15-04-2010, 09:09:10
Spain: both struggled a bit, but the head-to-head goes on
Germany: Schalke won at Leverkusen leaving them at -5, and overtook by 2 Bayern (who lost at home to Stuttgart)
Italy: told above - Rome -1, AC -3
France: Bordeaux and OM postponed their matches, but co-leader Montpellier lost @ Lille allowing them to get back in. Now 6 teams in 3 points, but 1st and 6th one have 2 matches each to catch up
Holland:all won, Twente, Ajax -4, PSV -5
Portugal: Benfica beat Braga pushing them at -6, that's pretty much decided with 6 to go


http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/qual2010.html

Spain: Barça seized the 3 pts lead on rivals ground
still 6 to go, catalans visits to Sevilla and Villarreal are the only speedbumps in their title race now
Atlético Mardid gained EL semi vs Liverpool and will play Copa del Rey final vs Sevilla in May, but losing at home yesterday to table bottom Xerez they are now 7 pts behind 7th place
their best chance to get EL again next year lay now in either cup way
it's not clear tho whether Copa del Rey grants access to losing finalists too, in case the winner has quailfied for europe already

Germany: 4 to go, Bayern leads, Schalke -2, Bayer L. -6
drawing in Leverkusen, Bayern foiled aspirins chance to close in at -3
Stuttgart and Wolfsburg contend to Hamburg the last berth to play again in europe next season

Italy: 5 to go, Rome crowned their chase, Inter now at -1, AC choked at -4
Rome is 99% confident to get in domestic Cup final vs Inter too, this opens up 7th place for EL qualification, conforting Juventus who are now 5 pts clear over 8th ranked teams (and 3 behind Palermo & Sampdoria vying for CL qualification)

France: 6 to go, OM escaped and are now 5 points ahead the pack
they won already the League Cup and this opens up 5th place for EL
the same won't hold for Coupe de France for 6th place, as the final will be contended between mid-table Monaco & PSG
Bordeaux after going out in CL incredibly lost yesterday in LeMans, they still have another game in hand to play in Valenciennes to get back in the race for CL and avoid Lille taking away 5th place
Auxerre and Montpellier are well placed to get in Europe, which they missed this season, as did the two cup finalists too

Holland:2 to go, Ajax now 1 behind Twente who lost @AZ
(PSV at -6 will play EL, as will Feyenoord too being in Cup final with Ajax)

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19-04-2010, 08:04:07
EDIT:
lol, I can't edit out the thumb down thread icon, which got in by mistake
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things got close again!
what a run by Spurs!
but will they go on next saturday @ManU, redistributing "favors" evenly?
Citizens will visit a side who gave officially up on title race
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8628661.stm
so Spurs can't afford to slow down right now

i'll post updated tables after tonite's Torresless Liverpool v West Ham, and wedensday's Hull v Aston Villa

Unless Hull wins, at the bottom Bolton, Wigan & Wolves can begin feeling reasonably safe from drop risks

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Spain: Real closed in at -1 again too, thanks to Barça goalless draw in the catalan derby (on away ground)
BlauGrana last fixtures look a bit easier, but they have the Champions league burden

Germany: Schalke hangs on at -2, Leverkusen dropped off the title race and got reached by Werder for preliminaries spot
Hamburg lost at home, they'll be more eager than ever to win EL as backdoor to next season Europe, Fulham beware

Italy: Roma & Inter roll on with their 1 pt gap unchanged
Next sunday Iter has the best chance to regain the lead, as Roma will be host to Sampdoria.
The Genua-based side will not concede easily in the Capital, as they are in need to consolidate their 4th spot, if not even eyeing direct group access at the expenses of AC who they just beat in injury time yesterday

France: this is a bit less close, but still everything looks rather fluid due to the many teams involved
with 5 to go OM have a 5 pt lead for title and 8 over 3r place (or 7, if Bordeaux win their game in hand). Marseille have 3 home games (2 thereof rather easy) but will have to pay visit to title contenders Auxerre and europe-chasing Lille.
Behind OM & Auxerre there are indeed 4 teams in 2 or 3 points, fighting for the CL preliminaries-granting 3rd place and the 2 EL ones (while the 6th ranked will get nothing)

Holland: Twente rolled past the Feyenoord hurdle
Ajax still trail at -1, but with 1 to go they must hope for Twente not winning in Nijmegen, where NEC is tranquil just above relegation with nothing left to fight for
Ajax will play instead @ NAC Breda, who have glimmer hopes to pip Groningen for the dutch playoffs for last EL spot

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22-04-2010, 08:33:57
i'll post updated tables after tonite's Torresless Liverpool v West Ham, and wedensday's Hull v Aston Villa

no miracles happened

77 76 71
MD Chelsea ManU Arsenal
36 v Stoke v Spurs v City
37 @ Lpool @ Sund. @ Rover
38 v Wigan v Stoke v Fulhm

64 62 61 59 54
MD Spurs City Villa Livpool Everton
36 @ ManU @ Arsen v B'ham @ Burnl v Fulhm
37 v Boltn v Villa @ City v Chels @ Stoke
29 @ City v Spurs - - -
38 @ Burnl @ W.Ham v Rover @ Hull v Pomp.

35 35 34 31 28 27
MD Bolton Wigan Wolves W.Ham Hull Burnley
36 v Pomp. @ W.Ham @ Rover v Wigan v Sund. v Lpool
37 @ Spurs v Hull @ Pomp. @ Fulhm @ Wigan @ B'ham
38 v B'ham @ Chels v Sund. v City @ Lpool v Spurs

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23-04-2010, 16:19:32
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...th/8558580.stm

Thanx, I forgot.

...with FA Cup finalists either already qualified or ineligible, should eventually a club overtake Spurs for 7th place they'd snatch the berth from them
(what you see is what you get)
:)

confirmed

Portsmouth Europa League appeal rejected by FA (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8558580.stm)

Although now with Spurs certain to grab at least 7th place, their semifinal defeat vs Pompey doesn't indeed make any difference anymore.
Except in shame
:p

One question tho:

Should Liverpool win Europa League and get a place as Title Holders, but slip in 8th place in EPL behind Everton, would they be the 8th english team in the cups next season?
Or has this been ruled out definitely, and if the TH end below 7th place, they'd "steal the berth" from 7th ranked club?
(Everton again, like it happened in 2005/06!)
:D

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23-04-2010, 16:32:40
after checking that precious site main page, it's confirmed that

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/index.html#el

The title-holder qualifies directly for the group stage of the Europa League. If the title holder already qualified for a qualifying round of the Europa League the total number of teams of that association does not change

I figure the last statement stands even if the TH does NOT qualify via League ranking.
This would be moreso relevant should Fulham win EL now
:beer:

Greg W
24-04-2010, 11:44:51
About to watch Tottenham v United. Apparently Spurs have never won in the EPL at old Trafford. not to mention that no side has ever beaten Chelsea, arsenal and United in succession (according to the commentator).

Grr, no Rooney in the side, not even on the bench! Bastid, I thought SAF would have played him for such an important match. Bought him into my Fantasy side to replace the injured Drogba! Bugger! :cry:

Greg W
24-04-2010, 13:50:08
United just seem to have this ability to play somewhat averagely and still pull out a win in the last 10 mins of a match. Doesn't make for stress free matches as a supporter though. Definitely need a :beer:

And from Evra and Nani a bit of :gasmaske_puke:

Fistandantilus
25-04-2010, 10:49:47
.. Bought him into my Fantasy side to replace the injured Drogba! Bugger! :cry:

Me too, and he's out for the season apparently :(

Greg W
26-04-2010, 03:03:41
And Drogba freaken played! :cry:

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26-04-2010, 07:00:59
Even without Rooney, ManU look poised to get 6 pts now, so Chelsea can't afford to lose even one in Liverpool

80 79
MD Chelsea ManU
37 @ Lpool @ Sund.
38 v Wigan v Stoke

Gunners at 72 are almost certain of 3rd place

according maths, 4th place will be at least at 65, so Liverpool on their part can't rely on just beating Hull.
but most liklely 4th place could be decided at 70/71pts, so reds can frankly forget it
64 64 63 62 57
MD Spurs Villa City Liverpool Everton
37 v Boltn @ City v Villa v Chels @ Stoke
29 @ City - v Spurs - -
38 @ Burnl v Rover @ W.Ham @ Hull v Pomp.

Everton can hope to get at best to 63, with a very poor GD too. Doubting Citizens would lose 3 in a row, Toffees could hope to pip city rivals for 7h (thus they'd need Hull to still have something to fight for on May 9th).
But even then, should Fulham or Liverpool themselves win EL, the 7th rank would not give Everton a ticke to Europe

34 -18 28 -41
MD W.Ham Hull
37 @ Fulhm @ Wigan
38 v City @ Lpool

Bolton (36), Wolves & Wigan (35) are now safe
Burnley (27) joined Pompey in Championship
Had Hull beaten Sunderland at home Saturday, they could still have hoped for something.
now not only they'd need Hammers to lose both, and to win their own two, but also they'd need a margin of 6 goals (SIX) in all those 4 matches
...impossible
this to say that the two teams won't have nothing to play for vs City & Liverpool on last matchday

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most relevant fixtures:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/fixtures/default.stm

Saturday, 1 May 2010
Man City v Aston Villa, 15:00

Sunday, 2 May 2010
Liverpool v Chelsea, 13:30

Wednesday, 5 May 2010
Man City v Tottenham, 20:00

Lazarus and the Gimp
01-05-2010, 16:12:33
No Champions League for Liverpool. Ho ho ho.

Bye-bye Rafa, no doubt.

Greg W
01-05-2010, 16:19:24
Well, unless we get a complete miracle.

If Liverpool beat Chelsea and Hull and City and Spurs draw against each other and then both lose their last match, they will scrape in. Mind you, City losing against West Ham and Spurs losing against Burnley seem slim chances. Let alone Liverpool beating Chelsea as well.

And Villa are definitely out of CL contention now too (even if their chance was previously slim to none).

Greg W
02-05-2010, 15:21:34
Ok, now it's definite re: Liverpool. Damn them for not at least drawing with Chelsea! Bastids! :bash:

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03-05-2010, 16:34:58
SAF himself got on the verge of throwing suspincion on Liverpool defeat
:p

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injury time Wigan equaliser just sealed Hull relegation

a draw in Blackburn would virtually secure Gunners' 3rd place
...and Van Persie just scored too

Last matches

(*)
first this will be played
Wednesday, 5 May 2010
Man City v Tottenham, 20:00

83 (+63) Chelsea v Wigan
82 (+54) ManU v Stoke
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67 (+27) Tottenham* @ Burnley

66 (+29) Man.City* @ West Ham
64 (+14) Aston Villa v Blackburn
62 (+26) Liverpool @ Hull

Everton hopes to profit of city rivals fall ended as toffees failed to win in Stoke

Now, for last CL berth, Citizens have a home matchball.
Should they fail to beat Spurs tho, I wonder what would be the odds for Tottenham not winning in Burnley

Wednesday match will also shift 4th place bar at least 1pt too high for Villa to reach. They won't probably get 5th even in case Spurs raid City Stadium, as Mancini's band should also fall @ West Ham for the disappointment
;)
6th place grants the same EL level access as 5th does
Villans should tho be careful to not let overconfidence make them slip vs Blackburn.
If they draw, Liverpool would very likely take 6th place from them. Or... would they???
:D

not only 7th place makes you start one EL round earlier
but in case Fulham goes on to win EL, 7th ranked team will stay home next year!

What excuses did Benitez find to abandon the drowning ship?
;)

Greg W
04-05-2010, 02:41:19
a draw in Blackburn would virtually secure Gunners' 3rd place
...and Van Persie just scored tooKiss of death indeed! :lol:

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04-05-2010, 08:34:02
LOL

Wenger fumes (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8658673.stm) as Rovers exploited "Arsenal weakness for balls in the box" by adopting "screen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball#Common_techniques_and_practices)" tactics on the keeper which are the bread'n'butter of basketball (and more physically so in NFL), but should be sanctioned as a foul in football

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focus now shifts on tomorrow "4th place final (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8656278.stm)"

at the bottom of this article, you also find Villa comments after their Eastlands defeat ruled them out of 4th place

Villa's defeat at Eastlands means the highest they can finish is fifth.

"It has been a fantastic effort by the team all year and we took the fight to the second last game of the season," said Villa manager Martin O'Neill.

"We have more points than last season, when we had 62 and finished sixth. Teams are getting stronger and we are competing with sides who have very good players.

"It has been a great season and I do not accept that we have come up short. We reached the carling Cup final and the semi-final of the FA Cup.

"Overall, the season has been terrific."


- a probable 6th place just like previous season with a couple more points (and it could easier become a 7th rather than a 5th)
- elimination in EL Play-off round (on away goals vs Rapid Wien), i.e. they didn't even get to the group phase
- League Cup final, lost v ManU
- FA Cup semi, lost v Chelsea

Discuss

Fistandantilus
05-05-2010, 20:57:01
Spurs :beer:

Greg W
06-05-2010, 02:26:42
Indeed, they sure surprised me. And they could still grab 3rd if results go their way. :beer:

Back!
06-05-2010, 09:50:23
Greg said it all
:)

EPL Spurs fared better than NBA Spurs
Maybe Totthenham should lend Crouch to San Antonio, he's the required height after all
:D

Back!
06-05-2010, 09:55:43
I should now include gunners back in the list...

83 (+63) Chelsea v Wigan
82 (+54) ManU v Stoke
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72 (+38) Arsenal v Fulham
70 (+27) Tottenham @ Burnley

If Gunners draw v Fulham (who are focused on EL final) Spurs should beat Burnley by 12 to avoid CL preliminaries
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66 (+29) Man.City @ West Ham
64 (+14) Aston Villa v Blackburn
62 (+26) Liverpool @ Hull


As I said, Villa would gain nothing by 5th place, in case Hammers beat downbeat Citizens.
Aston should rather concentrate on beating Rovers, as with a draw they risk to end in 7th and miss next year EL should Fulham win it now

Funko
06-05-2010, 10:16:55
I expect Arsenal and Spurs to both win at the weekend but you never can tell.

Back!
06-05-2010, 10:42:56
of course, on paper all the above listed top 7 clubs are expected to win, but then nobody would watch matches

;)

OTOH, I point your attention on this

http://en.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/teams/club=52280/domestic/index.html

27/03/2010 Birmingham 1-1 (D) Arsenal
03/04/2010 Arsenal 1-0 (W) Wolves
14/04/2010 Tottenham 2-1 (L) Arsenal
18/04/2010 Wigan 3-2 (L) Arsenal
24/04/2010 Arsenal 0-0 (D) Man. City
03/05/2010 Blackburn 2-1 (L) Arsenal
09/05/2010 Arsenal - Fulham

you never can tell indeed
:)

King_Ghidra
06-05-2010, 10:43:41
- a probable 6th place just like previous season with a couple more points (and it could easier become a 7th rather than a 5th)
- elimination in EL Play-off round (on away goals vs Rapid Wien), i.e. they didn't even get to the group phase
- League Cup final, lost v ManU
- FA Cup semi, lost v Chelsea

Discuss

that's a good season for villa. a few years ago they were a dire team. perhaps some would have hoped for that 4th spot, but that would be an amazing season rather than a good one. yes the euro performance was shit but any season you have a euro league finish and are one of the few teams to reach a cup semi or a final is a great season.

compare and contrast with fulham, where hodgson is being lauded to the skies on the back of nothing more than a europa run - because fulham have been completely underwhelming in the league and went out of an fa cup QF they only reached after wins over two league 2 teams

Back!
06-05-2010, 10:56:27
fair points

although re: "have been completely underwhelming in the league ", BBC themselves state about the Hodgson hype and Fulham league performances

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/f/fulham/8653971.stm

And only two years ago, Fulham looked certainties to suffer relegation into the Championship until Hodgson led them on a run of 12 points from their last five games to ensure survival on the last day of the season, at the expense of Birmingham and Reading

the point being: the expectations were so low that Premiership performances are seen as an overachievement anyway?

:D

Funko
06-05-2010, 11:04:57
Although that year they survived on 46 points which is what they have now. They finished 7th last year (with not that many more points to be honest) they've gone backwards this year slightly in the league although the Europa league distraction probably didn't help.

Realistically for teams like Fulham any season where they aren't in a relegation battle is a good one I think.

For Villa I think a European place is just about expected. A cup final is a big bonus. They've definitely had a good season, but not an exceptional one. Their cup runs probably didn't help them in the league either. They don't have a huge squad.

Back!
06-05-2010, 11:08:00
and Zamora for South Africa?

:D

Back!
06-05-2010, 12:45:09
I forgot to consider this

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/news/newsid=947695.html
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefa/KeyTopics/94/78/22/947822_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Enlgand was 3rd as of end 2009,
I couldn't find any source for up-to-date FP ranking, apparently Uefa only publishes the new year intermediate and the final one

Should England comfirm top 3 in associations FP ranking, they'll be given one EXTRA EL access (having to climb anyway all the way up from 1st round)
The berth will be assigned to highest team in domestic FP ranking not already qualified for CL or EL

up to end of March http://www.premierleague.com/page/FairPlayTable/0,,12306,00.html
barring any disciplinary upset occurred in last 6 matches, Fulham will thus actually take part in EL in any case
- directly to the Group phase as Title Holders, or
- from the scratch in Q1 as England's FP
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/access2010.html

In detail

Fulham loses EL
Q4 5th & 6th Man City & Villa*
Q3 7th Liverpool* (they could still swap places with Villa)
Q1 extra FP team Fulham

Fulham wins EL
Gr: TH Fulham
Q4 5th Man City (or Villa)
Q3 6th Villa (or Man City or Liverpool)
Q1 extra FP team... Burnley!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1269455/Burnley-set-win-shock-European-place--Fulham-win-Europa-League.html
(provided they have applied for a Uefa Licence - otherwise following are West Ham, Wigan, Wolves...)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8653443.stm

Back!
10-05-2010, 07:14:12
I expect Arsenal and Spurs to both win at the weekend but you never can tell.

every top team kept their place, but maybe not the way everybody expected

Citizens only drew in West Ham
Gunners had thus the cance to reach them (true, they'd needed a 15 goal victory to take 5th place). But no, they even conceded to blackburn with a late own-goal.
Liverpool could then leave to them the uncomfortable 7th spot. Reds only needed to win in Hull... and they failed!
:bash:

I'm furtherly investigating the mechanism for EL qualification, as I seek explicit documentation that EL berths can't be expanded for accommodating Fulham as TH (thus having to sacrifice the 7th place)
Strictly sticking to what I found so far, that limit would only apply to CL, I only surmised it extended to EL

Back!
10-05-2010, 07:36:00
OK, I got an expert interpretation, confirming me that the 4-team limit only applies to CL
It could also have been inferred from wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_UEFA_Europa_League#The_Title-Holder
The default team allocation system is constructed under the assumption that the Title Holder has not qualified for the Champions League and has not already qualified for the Europa League through domestic means.
...
If the Title Holder has not qualified for the Europa League domestically, they are entered as an additional team for their association. This effects neither the default allocation system, nor the other entrants from their association. However, it should be noted that the Title Holder entry is given priority over the Fair Play entries, which are given out only at the very last

Thus all my speculation in previous posts was moot.
City and Villa qualified for EL Q4, and Liverpool for EL Q3, and that won't change in any case.

Liverpool can freely support Fulham in EL final, if they want
:)
Of course, their failure to beat Hammers still condemns them to begin their EL campaign one round and 3 weeks earlier (Jul 29 instead of Aug 19)

Funko
10-05-2010, 08:57:25
Chelsea's 103 goals is a Premiership record, no-one even did that in the 42 game seasons.

Also, after no-one managed 20 league goals last season 5 players managed it this season. First time since 93/94 5 players got 20+.

Fistandantilus
10-05-2010, 10:47:11
+71 goal difference is insane

Funko
10-05-2010, 11:15:50
They've scored 7 or more in 4 games since January, and 5 twice. Including against Portsmouth. Bet Pompey are excited about FA Cup final.

Funko
10-05-2010, 11:17:50
I remember Mourinho going ballistic shouting at John Terry when they were committing too many men forward (in his view) at 2-0 up.

Back!
10-05-2010, 13:35:31
Bet Pompey are excited about FA Cup final.
which is the scoring record in a FA Cup final ?

Funko
10-05-2010, 14:00:00
6-0 Bury vs Derby County in 1903

Greg W
10-05-2010, 15:05:52
So, how would we rate each of the top team's performances?

Chelsea - League Winners, FA Cup final, CL round of 16 - reasonably happy? I'd guess disappointed somewhat in bowing out of the CL early, but very happy to win the League and favourites for the double with the FA Cup.

Man U - Win League Cup, 2nd in league, CL Quarters - a little disappointed, but mostly happy? I'd say not too bad a season, considering their injury list at times. Somewhat disappointed with 2nd in League and bowing out in the CL, but not overly so.

Arsenal - 3rd in League, CL Quarters - slightly disappointing? I'd think that finishing 11 points behind the leaders was not what Arsenal expected, nor bowing out in the 16 of the CL (albeit to a rampant Barca side). Not to mention losing the FA Cup tie against Stoke.

Tottenham - 4th in League - happy? I'd suggest that CL play means more to Tottenham than anything, so they'd be pretty happy with this year's results. though losing to Pompey in the FA Cup will rankle somewhat.

Man City - 5th in league, lost in Carling Cup to United, lost in FA Cup to Stoke - definitely disappointed? I'd guess that 5th is simply not good enough for a club with that talent and that amount of money. Not making the CL makes it tougher to attract top players too, who want CL play.

Villa - 6th in League, out in 1st round of Europa League, lost League Cup final to United, lost in FA Cup to Chelsea - Reasonably happy? I'm guessing that bowing out that early in the EL would be galling, but otherwise a pretty solid season, finishing 6th in the league for the 4th season in a row.

Liverpool - 7th in League, group stage exit from CL, semis of Europa League, knocked out of League cup by Arsenal and FA Cup by Reading - disappointing? I'd guess that missing out on the CL next year will be really bad for Liverpool. I even saw some suggestions that without CL football they may be unable to service their loan payments? And they almost missed out on EL next year too.

Everton - 8th in league, 2nd round of EL, lost Carling cup to Tottenham, FA Cup to Birmingham - somewhat disappointed? I'd guess that despite their massive injury toll, they'd still be a bit down on their performance this year. No European football at all next year will hurt, as will their knockouts in all the cups.

Only other team really worth mentioning (ok, only other team I am going to mention cos I am getting tired of typing, lol):

Fulham - made Europa League final - Happy? First European Final ever - they've got to be happy with that. just hope they manage to pull it off. Go Fulham! :beer:

That sound about right?

Funko
10-05-2010, 15:09:27
Tottenham - ecstatic. If they'd somehow also finished above Arsenal they might have exploded in orgasmic delight.

MOBIUS
12-05-2010, 22:22:48
The Championship final at Wembley will be held between Cardiff City and Blackpool, with one of these teams advancing to the Premiership!:b:

I'm wondering how much to bet on Cardiff losing...:D

Lazarus and the Gimp
13-05-2010, 05:17:37
Blackpool need to win. The prospect of Olly managing a Premiership team is too good to miss.

Funko
13-05-2010, 08:03:51
Totally.

King_Ghidra
13-05-2010, 08:47:25
Would be awesome, but either would be very interesting. Cardiff would be fascinating for many reasons (Welsh team in the eng prem, 'difficult' fans, return of Risdale, etc.)

Back!
17-05-2010, 09:26:25
Enlgand was 3rd as of end 2009,
I couldn't find any source for up-to-date FP ranking, apparently Uefa only publishes the new year intermediate and the final one

Should England comfirm top 3 in associations FP ranking, they'll be given one EXTRA EL access (having to climb anyway all the way up from 1st round)
The berth will be assigned to highest team in domestic FP ranking not already qualified for CL or EL

up to end of March http://www.premierleague.com/page/FairPlayTable/0,,12306,00.html
barring any disciplinary upset occurred in last 6 matches, Fulham will thus actually take part in EL in any case

:eek:

http://en.uefa.com/uefa/socialresponsibility/respect/news/newsid=1486635.html#sweden+uefa+respect+fair+play+ rankings

what did you do to drop from 3rd to 7th place in Respect & Fair Play???

Booo!

and poor Fulham

It's cruel tho that it doesn't get updated more often

Funko
17-05-2010, 10:24:43
Looking at the final table the numbers between 3 and 7 are very close.

Back!
17-05-2010, 11:31:22
if you look the december provisional ranking in my first FP post above
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/...2_DOWNLOAD.pdf

you were .001 behind 2nd place, .009 ahead 4th, .051 clear of 6th

the FP scores are very close by their nature:
the total gap from 1st to last (53rd) was less than 1.000 in december, barely above now

from december to april, Finland Norway Scotland and Germany retained their relative ranking
Only Ireland dropped 1 place from 5th to 6th, and England 4 notches down.

So, I wouldn't say this was the case of a minor slip causing a big drop
Enlgand had the 3rd drop in absolute Fair Play value too: -.048
Only Portugal (-.059) and Greece (-.073) did worse (not counting a bunch of minnows who played relatively few matches to be significant)
Italy did -.014 and Tukey did -.019, just to name two countries NOT famous for their fair play
Had England played their 2010 Uefa itnernational matches at Turkey and Italy Fair Play level ( !!! :p ) they'd have retained their december 3rd rank in FP and sent Fulham too to next season EL

Booo!
:D

I wonder how much Fulham games themselves are responsible for this drop, and how much Cottagers should blame instead Chelsea, ManU, Arsenal, Liverpool and Everton fould behviour in the knockouts


Next:
statistics about UC finalists not qualifying for next season competition
:p

Back!
17-05-2010, 12:03:37
TO BE "FAIR"

I let carry myself away a bit
:D

England big drop was due to their level being rather high beforehand
As well as Turkey and Italy dropped less because they already started low

in 2010 only, England would have got 21st (with 7.997 over 42 matches) in a partial FP ranking
not something to brag about, yet not as bad as 28th Italy 7.890 and 38th 7.659 Turkey
:cute:

An 11th FP place in 2010 matches with a partial score better by 0.1 would have been enough to retain the 3rd place they matured in 2009 half of season

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STILL, too bad for the lost chance

Funko
17-05-2010, 12:04:34
Fulham are responsible for not getting their place in EL by not winning the final.

Back!
17-05-2010, 12:12:27
that was Plan A
who spoiled Plan B tho?
;)

And anyway it was a lost chance by FA:
had Fulham won the final, the extra FP berth you lost would have gone to Burnley